COVID & AFL 2021

[old dee 22,848]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Bulldogs, Carlton , Williamstown and Northern Bullants are the scheduled games

the first two are our home games and the rest are away

 

I am hoping to go to both the last two, fingers crossed.

[old dee 22,848]

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

Why?  I would rather play it in WA, SA or QLD than at the G with no one there.

[Demon_spurs 1,658]

15 minutes ago, Soidee said:

It’s about time and long overdue that the AFL and State Government come up with a better plan for allowing crowds to the football.  Apart from killing the game for spectators the long term effect for clubs is horrendous. 
 

they can improve the track and tracing, separate the crowds at games and do a lot more instead of clubs playing in front of nobody.

I’ve made it to two games in two years due to this and frankly they are in fairy land if they think this is not going to continue next year and beyond.  
 

must be better ways of separating crowds before and when they leave the stadium.  I would even go as far as asking patrons to get a Covid test before they can attend, and also letting fully vaccinated people attend.  Anything is better than the current nonsense.

Soidee, It still amazes me that when we do go we are jammed in the same row with people I don't know, instead of staggered in adjacent empty rows, I refuse to sit in my allocated seat if I have strangers both sides of me, I know this confuses the tracking of patrons and they need to fix this.

[DeeZee 6,731]

No crowds for the next two weeks then hopefully at least 50% for our Crows game at home, and then fingers crossed for around 75% for finals with a full house on grand final day as long as we can keep any new covid cases from spreading again.

[Diamond_Jim 11,739]

26 minutes ago, old dee said:

I am hoping to go to both the last two, fingers crossed.

Williamstown on a light wind day is brilliant.

Amazing how the ships almost can seem as if they're right beside the ground

[Diamond_Jim 11,739]

14 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

No crowds for the next two weeks then hopefully at least 50% for our Crows game at home, and then fingers crossed for around 75% for finals with a full house on grand final day as long as we can keep any new covid cases from spreading again.

no cases for Melbourne in 8 weeks? ... very low probability is my guess

 

[WalkingCivilWar 31,370]

34 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

That is the guy who, despite being advised being a close contact flew SYD-BNK, was picked up by the QLD flight attendant, and I am speculating here, might have been responsible for the detection of virus in wastewater in Byron (the dates match and there are no other cases here), then crossed the border seeding QLD outbreak and then lied to contact tracers about his movements.

Shocking.

And why wouldn’t he? I mean, with almost zero consequences, why wouldn’t he? He (and anyone else for that matter) can travel willy-nilly knowing that at worst a $200 fine is the extent of the  punishment, if caught. This is what has transpired with those Sydney removalists. One of them, not all, but ONE of them has copped a $200 fine for not wearing a mask!

[binman 37,950]

23 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Williamstown on a light wind day is brilliant.

Amazing how the ships almost can seem as if they're right beside the ground

Agree.

The most beautiful ground and location in Melbourne?

I would love to play cricket there.

But when windy makes Casey winds feel like a zephyr! 

[Jaded No More 57,784]

20 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

And why wouldn’t he? I mean, with almost zero consequences, why wouldn’t he? He (and anyone else for that matter) can travel willy-nilly knowing that at worst a $200 fine is the extent of the  punishment, if caught. This is what has transpired with those Sydney removalists. One of them, not all, but ONE of them has copped a $200 fine for not wearing a mask!

A big difference people seem to forget about these removalists, who I despise with every inch of my soul, is that they actually had a work permit to come across. They didn't break the rules coming into the state, and they were not aware that they were sick until they returned home and got tested. The only official rule they broke is not wearing a mask.

 Does that mean they don't deserve Karma to hit them like a bus? No it doesn't. 

But this guy broke very clear entry guidelines going into another state. He lied. He will cop a far bigger fine, just as the idiots from Melbourne who flew to Darwin for a wedding copped a fine of around $4k each. Or how the idiots who drove from Melbourne to QLD in the last lockdown did.

Permitted workers who bend the rules will always cop a far smaller fine than those who come across without any permits whatsoever and break clear border laws. 

[old dee 22,848]

6 minutes ago, binman said:

Agree.

The most beautiful ground and location in Melbourne?

I would love to play cricket there.

But when windy makes Casey winds feel like a zephyr! 

Sadly in winter that is usually the case. 

[Grr-owl 1,075]

On 7/22/2021 at 11:50 AM, old dee said:

30 years binman! Not a chance in hell. 

I think I have the solution. Not sure they have room for 52000 members, but surely at least Old Dee can live to see the lifting of the curse....

 

[WalkingCivilWar 31,370]

16 minutes ago, Jaded said:

A big difference people seem to forget about these removalists, who I despise with every inch of my soul, is that they actually had a work permit to come across. They didn't break the rules coming into the state, and they were not aware that they were sick until they returned home and got tested. The only official rule they broke is not wearing a mask.

 Does that mean they don't deserve Karma to hit them like a bus? No it doesn't. 

But this guy broke very clear entry guidelines going into another state. He lied. He will cop a far bigger fine, just as the idiots from Melbourne who flew to Darwin for a wedding copped a fine of around $4k each. Or how the idiots who drove from Melbourne to QLD in the last lockdown did.

Permitted workers who bend the rules will always cop a far smaller fine than those who come across without any permits whatsoever and break clear border laws. 

You’re right with that. But during Dan’s presser this morning a journo made mention of the fact that they (the removalists) lied to, or at the very least, misled authorities thereby making contract tracing unnecessarily harder. 
Dan deflected the question saying that it’s a VicPol matter. But he did say he doesn’t want anyone to be afraid of coming forward if they have, inadvertently or orherwise, broken any rules. It’s the same reasoning he used last year when he wouldn’t come down hard on restriction-breakers coz it might put others off from coming forward had they breached the rules. 

[titan_uranus 22,287]

29 minutes ago, Jaded said:

A big difference people seem to forget about these removalists, who I despise with every inch of my soul, is that they actually had a work permit to come across. They didn't break the rules coming into the state, and they were not aware that they were sick until they returned home and got tested. The only official rule they broke is not wearing a mask.

 Does that mean they don't deserve Karma to hit them like a bus? No it doesn't. 

But this guy broke very clear entry guidelines going into another state. He lied. He will cop a far bigger fine, just as the idiots from Melbourne who flew to Darwin for a wedding copped a fine of around $4k each. Or how the idiots who drove from Melbourne to QLD in the last lockdown did.

Permitted workers who bend the rules will always cop a far smaller fine than those who come across without any permits whatsoever and break clear border laws. 

Agree, except that the removalists apparently lied or weren't wholly truthful with contact tracers early on, which slowed down our initial attempt to ringfence the outbreak.

Broke the mask-wearing rule then didn't help contact tracers. [Censored] them. But I know that it's hard for the government to punish them because we want people to have no fear in telling contact tracers what they've done and where they've gone.

[Kent 2,581]

1 minute ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

You’re right with that. But during Dan’s presser this morning a journo made mention of the fact that they (the removalists) lied to, or at the very least, misled authorities thereby making contract tracing unnecessarily harder. 
Dan deflected the question saying that it’s a VicPol matter. But he did say he doesn’t want anyone to be afraid of coming forward if they have, inadvertently or orherwise, broken any rules. It’s the same reasoning he used last year when he wouldn’t come down hard on restriction-breakers coz it might put others off from coming forward had they breached the rules. 

Unlike protesters who willingly flout the laws and no penalty imposed other than hollow threats for anybody the media will listen to

Have a look at the performance of fines victoria  wrote off over a billion dollars in outstanding fines

so if you are an anti lockdown sort of person or a Black lives matter dude or you just want to protest (What have you Got) there is very little chance of effective penalty so go ahead and protest.

The  idea that the Vic Pol detectives would chase down all 5000  protesters is some kind of sick joke given their performnace in bringing single murderers to trial

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,394]

2 minutes ago, Kent said:

Unlike protesters who willingly flout the laws and no penalty imposed other than hollow threats for anybody the media will listen to

Have a look at the performance of fines victoria  wrote off over a billion dollars in outstanding fines

so if you are an anti lockdown sort of person or a Black lives matter dude or you just want to protest (What have you Got) there is very little chance of effective penalty so go ahead and protest.

The  idea that the Vic Pol detectives would chase down all 5000  protesters is some kind of sick joke given their performnace in bringing single murderers to trial

A billion? Really?

Also, there's some suggestion the removalists did not break the mask-wearing rule which may have an exemption for professionals (for want of a better term) while they are moving furniture.

[Diamond_Jim 11,739]

46 minutes ago, binman said:

Agree.

The most beautiful ground and location in Melbourne?

I would love to play cricket there.

But when windy makes Casey winds feel like a zephyr! 

Frankston with its pine trees and glimpse of the Bay is not bad either

[old dee 22,848]

48 minutes ago, Grr-owl said:

I think I have the solution. Not sure they have room for 52000 members, but surely at least Old Dee can live to see the lifting of the curse....

 

Seriously from the way the world is going I don't want to come back even for a Dee's flag. 

[Jaded No More 57,784]

33 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

You’re right with that. But during Dan’s presser this morning a journo made mention of the fact that they (the removalists) lied to, or at the very least, misled authorities thereby making contract tracing unnecessarily harder. 
Dan deflected the question saying that it’s a VicPol matter. But he did say he doesn’t want anyone to be afraid of coming forward if they have, inadvertently or orherwise, broken any rules. It’s the same reasoning he used last year when he wouldn’t come down hard on restriction-breakers coz it might put others off from coming forward had they breached the rules. 

 

29 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Agree, except that the removalists apparently lied or weren't wholly truthful with contact tracers early on, which slowed down our initial attempt to ringfence the outbreak.

Broke the mask-wearing rule then didn't help contact tracers. [Censored] them. But I know that it's hard for the government to punish them because we want people to have no fear in telling contact tracers what they've done and where they've gone.

I totally get what both of you are saying, and trust me when I say if it was up to me, they'd be in jail.

However, if we start punishing people who break every rule severely, there is the very real risk that people who know they've done the wrong thing won't come forward to get tested and won't be fully honest with contact tracers. Those consequences are far more wide reaching than punishing individuals. 

So while I get how infuriating it is, and while I think anyone who knowingly and unlawfully puts the lives of others at risk by breaking clear rules should be put in jail for 14 days (and made to work in a Covid ward without PPE if they protest lockdowns and vaccinations), the government is stuck between a rock and a hard place. They don't want to deter people from telling the truth, even if that truth is ugly.

Imagine if the family from Hume didn't disclose their movements. That is an entire chain of mystery cases that could turn into 100s of new infections. I rather they sit in the knowledge that their stupidity and selfishness infected their extended family/relatives, than cause a longer lockdown for the rest of us. 

We are lucky to live in a country where compliance is generally very high. There will always be absolute [censored] heads who ruin it for everyone else. But overall I think most people do  their best to do the right thing in very difficult circumstances (lockdowns are exhausting!) and we need to support and encourage that as much as possible. 

[Superunknown 3,311]

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

A big difference people seem to forget about these removalists, who I despise with every inch of my soul, is that they actually had a work permit to come across. They didn't break the rules coming into the state, and they were not aware that they were sick until they returned home and got tested. The only official rule they broke is not wearing a mask.

 

Not to stray off topic, I just wanted to pick this up - they apparently crossed the border illegally. Evidently there has not been any fine for that action just the mask breach.

This article says 2/3 tested positive eventually

https://www.7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/exclusive-the-sydney-removalists-who-brought-covid-19-back-into-victoria-c-3466050

The ABC article says they were negative when caught near Mildura but had no such permit.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-21/sydney-removalists-caught-in-mildura/100310504

Anyway back to the topic at hand.

[Jaded No More 57,784]

1 minute ago, Superunknown said:

Not to stray off topic, I just wanted to pick this up - they apparently crossed the border illegally. Evidently there has not been any fine for that action just the mask breach.

This article says 2/3 tested positive eventually

https://www.7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/exclusive-the-sydney-removalists-who-brought-covid-19-back-into-victoria-c-3466050

The ABC article says they were negative when caught near Mildura but had no such permit.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-21/sydney-removalists-caught-in-mildura/100310504

Anyway back to the topic at hand.

Oh ok well I understood they did have a permit. At least that's what Jerone told me, and I do not question the commander! 

I still maintain they should be punished, but perhaps the police couldn't pin enough on them?

Did they get fined in SA? 

[Stiff Arm 4,412]

37 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

A billion? Really?

Also, there's some suggestion the removalists did not break the mask-wearing rule which may have an exemption for professionals (for want of a better term) while they are moving furniture.

Indeed.

But the lynch mob want someone to blame.

The 'facts' of the mysterious removalist's trip seem to change, depending upon which media outlet is reporting, or the shifting attitude of public figures like Jerome. The real details may never be made public.

So much for the book being thrown at them. That speaks volumes

Whilst I am very disappointed this highly infectious virus strain leaked back into Victoria, I am also sad for the family of the removalist brothers who lost their matriarch to COVID after she apparently turned away offers of help and died at home alone. 

[daisycutter 28,485]

32 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Not to stray off topic, I just wanted to pick this up - they apparently crossed the border illegally. Evidently there has not been any fine for that action just the mask breach.

This article says 2/3 tested positive eventually

https://www.7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/exclusive-the-sydney-removalists-who-brought-covid-19-back-into-victoria-c-3466050

The ABC article says they were negative when caught near Mildura but had no such permit.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-21/sydney-removalists-caught-in-mildura/100310504

Anyway back to the topic at hand.

i think the second link you posted must be of a different set of removalists. says these ones only went to irymple in nw vic, wheras the removalists we are talking of went to melbourne then south australia

[WalkingCivilWar 31,370]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Also, there's some suggestion the removalists did not break the mask-wearing rule which may have an exemption for professionals (for want of a better term) while they are moving furniture.

They didn’t have any such exemption. Have you seen the footage? It makes my blood boil. Granted, they didn’t know they were infectious, but coming from Sydney at that time, anyone with a skerrick of intelligence would entertain the possibility of being infected. They even accepted an offer from a young bloke to help them manoeuvre a couch into the elevator. That young bloke dodged a bullet, unlike some of the other residents. 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,394]

9 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

They didn’t have any such exemption. Have you seen the footage? It makes my blood boil. Granted, they didn’t know they were infectious, but coming from Sydney at that time, anyone with a skerrick of intelligence would entertain the possibility of being infected. They even accepted an offer from a young bloke to help them manoeuvre a couch into the elevator. That young bloke dodged a bullet, unlike some of the other residents. 

Haven't seen the footage and am not in any way trying to defend the removalists. The bigger picture is the problem here as very well explained by Jaded a few posts back. What we need is one of those fantastic retrospectoscopes. You know, the tool that would allow law enforcement to look back in time at the behaviour of idiots alleged law breakers well after the threat of Covid has passed. In that way, law breakers may be willing now to be cooperative.   

[binman 37,950]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Frankston with its pine trees and glimpse of the Bay is not bad either

Yep. Its funny spot up there on the bluff, but beautiful 

Am i going crazy? Am i right that Frankston are no longer in the VFL? 

What a powerhouse they were.