Jump to content

  • Podcast: Grand Final Preview      

  • Podcast: Gary Pert Interview & Grand Final Preview      

CHANGES: Rd 11 vs Western Bulldogs



Recommended Posts

On 5/22/2021 at 8:00 PM, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Had a stinker

But has played some good games

He had 6 turnovers from 11 possessions. Was unusually poor by foot, but still lead the tackle count with Oliver (the most on the ground with 9).

JJ is and will be safe. That said, they may look to give him a rest soon.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

21 minutes ago, A F said:

Petty????

Yep, his ball use has been atrocious since coming in. I like him, he has a bit of mongrel, but he'd want to tidy up a bit if he plans on staying in longer than this week IMO. As mentioned, he and Hunt I think will both stay in for now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, DeeZee said:

I’m starting to think our best forward line is with TMac , Fritsch and Jackson/ Gawn with no Weed or Brown.

Giving us more options to bring in running players such as Bedford, Chandler Lockhart or Baker.

So for me it’s out Jetta, Melksham and Weed for Salem , Viney/Sparrow and Bedford or Baker

Not bad but i still think we can do with another tall forward and neither of Sparrow or Bedford are quite up to four quarters against rated clubs for now.

Against the bottom four maybe.

We need another mobile tall who can mark on the lead and hit the scoreboard but who's also quite good at pressuring inside 50.  Play T-Mac deeper this week against the Doggies and Brown on the lead into the 30/40 meter area.

Clear the rest out leaving only Kozzie and Fritschkreig the spoils or alternate / dummy leads out wider.

Assuming they are available for me it's...

Out:   Weid, Melk & Jetta

In:  Mitch Brown, Viney & Salem

If Viney and Salem aren't ready tthm Chunk and Lockhardt pinch hitting for Melk & Salem respectively until the cavalry arrives. 

Edited by Rusty Nails
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

 

Assuming they are available for me it's...

Out:   Weid, Melk & Jetta

In:  Mitch Brown, Viney & Salem

If Viney and Salem aren't ready tthm Chunk and Lockhardt pinch hitting for Melk & Salem respectively until the cavalry arrives. 

Sorry Rusty but as far I’m concerned if Mitch Brown comes in, regardless of form, with all of our tall forwards available for selection then we may as well give up.

Either stick with Weid or bring Ben Brown in at Marvel. I know both were garbage this week but I just can’t see any silver lining in bringing Mitch in for the Bulldogs, especially given he hasn’t played a game this year.

 

edit: in fact I’d rather drop Weid and go with the forward structure we had at the start of the year.

Edited by Beetle
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)
20 minutes ago, Beetle said:

Sorry Rusty but as far I’m concerned if Mitch Brown comes in, regardless of form, with all of our tall forwards available for selection then we may as well give up.

Either stick with Weid or bring Ben Brown in at Marvel. I know both were garbage this week but I just can’t see any silver lining in bringing Mitch in for the Bulldogs, especially given he hasn’t played a game this year.

 

edit: in fact drop Weid and go with the forward structure we had at the start of the year.

Mitch played against the Hawks. 

Edited by Mel Bourne
Link to comment
Share on other sites

In: Viney, Salem

Out: Jetta, Melksham

Bad loss, but a good one to have before we take on the Dogs and Brisbane,  give Weid 2 more weeks like BB had and go from there.

We just played poorly in Adel, fumbly, ordinary inside 50 and missed opportunities.  Reset and have a solid outing this week against the Dogs.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, Beetle said:

edit: in fact I’d rather drop Weid and go with the forward structure we had at the start of the year.

I agree with this.

Make Ben Brown bang the door down.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Disappointed that Brown barely touched it.

That changes my ins and outs..

Agree. I thought BB would come in at Marvel where he has played very well, but given his game yesterday I doubt that will happen.

Salem is the one we really need back.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 hours ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

After watching the VFL (Thanks Swans YouTube) there is no way Weid should be omitted for 4 touch Benny Brown.  In saying that whilst the delivery was not great I thought his game on the weekend was poor in application. I would actually go smaller this week regardless, similar to the set up we had early in the season. I know he can be sketchy with his kicking but I really like the speed and pressure that Bedford brings and this would be the week to try it if we go smaller. Sparrow was serviceable  today (not as good as he has been) but gives us more depth this week through the middle. 

Out Jetta, Melksham, Weid

In: Salem, Sparrow, Bedford. 

I don't see Weid being dropped.

If Salem is ok I could see him and someone for Jetta and Melk.

Might be a good time to try Bedford as his pace would be an asset.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 hours ago, jnrmac said:

We might as well play Weid and find out for once and for all if he can play. He has had more chances than most and after 5 years in the system he looks a bust. No matter how much we want him to be a success.

Has all the attributes but just can't get enough of the footy.

If he fails againtst the Dogs we should go with BB who is a proven forward - for the rest of the year.

 

we already know in my opinion

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

32 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Agree. I thought BB would come in at Marvel where he has played very well, but given his game yesterday I doubt that will happen.

Salem is the one we really need back.

I know you broke the Salem one pre game. Have you heard if he's good to go this weekend?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

How could anyone seriously think including BB against the dogs is worth considering

Virtually zero output in a VFL game when a spot in the AFL team beckoned - really really really disappointing 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Yep, his ball use has been atrocious since coming in. I like him, he has a bit of mongrel, but he'd want to tidy up a bit if he plans on staying in longer than this week IMO. As mentioned, he and Hunt I think will both stay in for now.

Yeah, completely disagree. I think he turned it over once by foot, otherwise was clean.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I know you broke the Salem one pre game. Have you heard if he's good to go this weekend?

Am hoping he is good to go, but don't know. Goody did say he thought he would play friday.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Dees were able to 'fix' their issues at clearance but other elements of their game have dropped off which they can look to address at the selection table.

We lost the turnover points allowed/conceded which I believe we were previously no.1 with post clearance contests and intercepts. Salem was a very noticeable out with our backline lacking the link up as well as a good distributor sweeping past the clearance to distribute on the outside. 

The other area of concern was the ease at which the Crows i50 where they were given time and space to pick out mismatches and hit players on the lead. A lot of this came from the inability of our forwards to maintain the pressure on defenders with Seedsman and co able to link up and deliver to Tex and Co. 

Great that we trialled the ultra big line up but now need to adjust the forward line for both full ground pressure and win contests forward of the ball. We also far too reliant on Salem and require an additional good ball user behind the ball to ensure teams can't tag Salem and hinder our ball movement as what we saw.

My changes would be - Out: Jetta, Hibberd, melksham (inj); In: Salem, Bowey and Sparrow

TMac moved to the wing, is a better runner than brayshaw and helps out the defense in a way that Brayshaw can't, which allows Gawn to work more forward.  Brayshaw is a known goal kicker, puts immense pressure on and is a good distributor, an also help our oliver/petracca/harmes rotate forward/mid. Hibberd is a tough out but we need a better distributor in Bowey to compliment Salem. Sparrow is another player who puts immense pressure with great defensive running as well as the ability to rotate through the midfield. Bulldogs have some very speedy outside players which require Sparrow's running capacity without the ball.   

If we can match Liberatore in the contest and stop the Bulldogs spread, big if, then we win the game. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Salem for Jetta the obvious one if Salem is fit.
If Viney is fit, he'll come straight back into the team, and not via the VFL. But I can't see Melksham being the player dropped for his return.
Harmes & Jordon play the role that Viney would normally play.
I'm not disagreeing with those saying that we seem to struggle with the extra tall in the forward line,... TMac, Fritsch and Jackson/Gawn with Spargo, Pickett, Melk and ANB seems to work better for us than the extra tall at the moment, but it's also a forward line that the dogs would be able to manage easier with their defence.

You hear Gawn, Petracca and Goody talk about the side playing a more selfless game, but that doesn't seem to be the case with Weid & BBB, which you can kinda understand given that their position in the side is less assured. Our talls are not spreading in the forward line and they are going for the same marks and spoiling each other. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

5 disposals, 2 turnovers, 2 clangers.

some of his turn overs are down to his in ability to control his long kicks imv, which i'm not super worried about, i don't think he's a bad kick as such, but he's not and never will be a christian Salem by foot 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Sydee said:

How could anyone seriously think including BB against the dogs is worth considering

Virtually zero output in a VFL game when a spot in the AFL team beckoned - really really really disappointing 

 

Because he was our big recruit! Because he kicked a lot of goals a few seasons ago! Because he has a huge tank and long arms! Because Weid sucks full stop!

Can't think of any more reasons why some on here think he's the answer. Has looked super average and honestly a slight liability when playing so far apart from Syd and some games against average sides in the VFL.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 5/23/2021 at 3:38 AM, Nairobi_Demon said:

I agree. I wish people would stop making excuses for Weidemen. He and Clarry are both high 2015 draft picks, six years to hone their craft, and look at the difference in their performances today. 

I think Weid is a very good VFL player but not AFL

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sparrow is a must in for mine. I think he was only squeezed out for guys like Harmes who has been OK since coming back but would love to see Sparrow back in.

I really dislike how easily Melksham comes back in to the side. I know there's the Goodwin's favourite narrative but he just gives very little apart from a few decent inside 50's a game. I'd rather see Harmes and Bayley player his high HF role and Sparrow come in to fill in more time in the middle for Harmes' rotation there.

I like the idea of Viney back this week but if he's not 100% which I can't imagine he I'd rather he take another week off. Brining him back against the slickest side on the quickest ground isn't a good idea imo.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Doggies have one key weakness in that they lack height down back. Richmond towelled them up with Lynch and Reiwoldt taking 19 marks between them. (11 inside 50s). Its their Achilles heel imo.

All this talk of forward pressure and tackling is great but if the ball hits the ground, their half backs of Daniel and Dale will continually rebound, despite our pressure which may or may not be there. Respect the strength and exploit the weakness imo.  Stretch them and get 10-12 scoring shots from marks/free kicks and we're a chance of kicking 100 points.  I dont trust Ben Brown to tackle, but i do trust him to draw 2 defenders, get free kicks, and create open leading lanes for others. I dont know what i trust Weeds to do in this regard unfor. 

In, salem viney brown. 

Out jetta, melksham, weed

And i'd definitely have someone playing a forward defensive role on Daniel. His ball use is first rate. 

 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Weid wasn't the issue on the weekend. He's played just two games and I think looked OK playing his role as a lead up forward.

His stats were practically identical to McDonalds yesterday. I thought he presented well and created marking contests both deep and further up the ground. He looks more imposing with his size and I think he'll work into AFL form soon enough. Apologies for being a believer.

@Jjrogan on the fast deck at Marvel I really don't think BB has the speed and agility to get into space at the moment. Not sure if he's just lost his burst but his inability to separate off his man is a real concern and from those who went to the Casey game whom I've spoken to he really struggled this week. Weid is much more mobile and gives your greater intensity/pressure when the ball hits the deck. Brown has looked almost in slow motion if he doesn't mark the ball and struggles to re-engage at the contest.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    THE ICING ON THE QUAKE by Whispering Jack

    It’s not Christmas yet but if the Melbourne wins its last game of the 2021 season, then many of its fans will be celebrating early. There already are some parts of our town where the pending festivity is preordained. Houses are decked out with red and blue banners and streamers, some of which appeared as early as last Saturday week, on the morning after the Demons’ magnificent 83-point crushing of Geelong in their preliminary final at Optus Stadium. While it’s great to see the numbers of lo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    CAT SKINNING by George On The Outer

    When they defeated the Geelong Cats in the 2021 AFL Preliminary Final on Friday night in Perth, Melbourne proved that there is more than one way to skin those cats.  They did it in the ruck and in the middle, they did it in the forward line, they did it in defence and around the ground, but importantly, each and every player a Demon guernsey spent his night at Optus Stadium skinning an opponent. Following the after-the-siren win against Geelong in Round 23, there was an expectation of

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    THE POINTY END by The Oracle

    The AFL’s two oldest clubs, Melbourne and Geelong, face off on Friday evening in a sudden death Preliminary Final. It’s a game that promises plenty in terms of fascination and intrigue as a result of the rivalry that’s been building between the teams over recent encounters that have been tight struggles which have gone to the wire with two of them decided by after-the-siren goals. The added touch of mystery attached to this week’s meeting comes by virtue of the fact that it’s going to take

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    THE VFL YEAR THAT NEVER WAS by KC from Casey

    The rising case numbers and the continuing lockdowns in Victoria and NSW spelled doom for the 2021 VFL season which went through a slow, painful demise before its recent official cancellation. After weeks of indecision, the AFL decided to pull the plug on the season with the 10-0 Bulldogs recognised as minor premier, but without a premiership cup and without awarding the J.J. Liston Medal for the best and fairest VFL player. It was somewhat fortuitous for the integrity of the competition t

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    TAMING THE LIONS by George On The Outer

    With nine finals debutants in the side, the Melbourne Football Club had a daunting assignment ahead of it in the First Qualifying Final — to overcome the competition’s highest scoring side, the Brisbane Lions. In the end, the Demons accomplished the task by putting the bite on their opponents on their way to taming the Lions and recording a 33 point win that propelled them into one the two Preliminary Finals of 2021.   It was one of those debutants, Luke Jackson, who put the bite in more

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    RETURN TO NEVERLAND by Whispering Jack

    The greatest Demon A HIGHWAY OF DEMONS by Whispering Jack CHAPTER SIXTEEN - RETURN TO NEVERLAND  I have a six year old grandson who recently took up the family tradition of following the Demons. He had his first taste of the game a few years ago when he went to the “G” with his parents to watch the 107-point massacre of Carlton and he went to another game in the following season which was also a W for the Dees. But his appetite for the club has grown exponentially this year and wh

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 13

    METAMORPHOSIS by Whispering Jack

    I’ve always believed that when the home and away matches come to an end, the football season takes on a completely different shape and character. During the regular season, each team’s goals progress as the weeks pass and if you’re good enough to survive and make the grade, the situation changes. The comparison can be made with the life cycle of a butterfly going through stages from egg to larva to caterpillar, cocoon and in the end to a bright and colourful creature that emerges from darkness i

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    STEALING THE CATS’ CREAM by George On The Outer

    They were leading by 44 points well into the third quarter of a game to decide the minor premier, having kicked nine unanswered goals. The Cats were about to lap up their bowl of cream, dreaming of next week but the Demons led by Max Gawn had other ideas. In a stunning finish, they stole the game from under them to claim the plaudits as best team and top of ladder position. In a remarkable game, it all came down to Max having to kick the winning goal after the final siren, something which s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    SKIN THE CATS by Whispering Jack

    The task ahead for the Demons as they wend their way down the Princes Freeway to Geelong on Saturday night will be to skin the Cats. For them to come away with the points from this game would mark an historic occasion for the club as it will finish on top of the ladder for the first time since its last premiership year, 1964. And it was in that year, that a trip to Corio Bay to meet the reigning premiers in Round 12, was one of the catalysts for Melbourne’s surge to the flag. It was a top o

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    REACH FOR THE STARS by George on the Outer

    It was a game of great significance for the Melbourne Football Club. A win would see them keep top spot on the ladder with one round remaining. To achieve top place in the Round for Reach when we are all inspired to “Be Like Jim” and reach for the stars was a great way of honouring one of our heroes. All the better given that it was done by way of an emphatic 41 point win against Adelaide! It is worth remembering that, but for the umpiring mistake in the previous encounter with the Crows, t

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    TICKETS PLEASE by The Oracle

    A lot of water has passed under Princes Bridge in the five years since Melbourne last met Adelaide on the MCG. The Crows were riding high at the time while the Demons were mid-table and scrambling for a win to stay in the race for the finals. The 30,000 fans who had tickets to the game were thoroughly entertained by a close, high scoring affair that ended in tears for fans of the home team. Not even an eight-goal second term could help them.   Times have changed.    In the fi

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    ELECTRIFYING by George On The Outer

    What more can they throw at the Demons of 2021? Covid restrictions, hubs, aircraft circling between airports before landing for games and now a match stopped for 30 minutes to give a flagging opponent its second wind? To date, none of those distractions has swayed the team from their winning objectives. The game against West Coast in Perth can be marked on their report card as another positive outcome after yet another test. There was much at stake for both sides.  Melbourne had t

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...