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7 hours ago, Chook said:

There is absolutely no way McDonald and Wiedeman are both at Melbourne next year unless McDonald re-reinvents himself in defence or Melbourne wins the premiership and everyone decides to stay on board for the ride.

Wied is gone at end of year in any other world.

We'd be crazy to let the Weid go. He is 5 years younger than TMac so reckon TMac might be the odd man out. No disrespect to TMac he's been great this year for us. Maybe we can keep both somehow!

The Weid is the future up top and Petty is the future down back.

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7 minutes ago, SPC said:

In: Petty, Chandler, Sparrow

Out: Tomlinson, Baker, Jones

This is where I have settled in my mind as well. We need an all year Tomlinson plan and TMac pre last week was coaches votes as a forward the prior 2. Petty deserves first shot and will look even better with May in the back 7 with him. Sparrow replaces Viney is a no brainer on role and form. This pushes Brayshaw back to the wingers club and Baker out. Chandler for Jones just gives us that increased speed and pressure that I think is needed with TMac and Brown. I would also swap Melksham for Harmes or Bedford but feel that 4 changes may be the tip of too much change. 

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9 hours ago, Simon Port said:

In: Weideman Harmes Sparrow Chandler

Out: Tomlinson Baker Jones Melksham 

I don't think we will be ruthless enough to do this but, you have to reward players and pick off form. Baker's ball use was dreadful, Melksham has no pressure whatsoever and tries to take on the tackler far too much. If he's not kicking goals or delivering the ball inside 50 with precision I don't see a place for him. Jones needs a rest and looks tired. Chandler has been playing up forward and through the midfield for stints which is a bonus. With Brown and Weid, the extra pressure forward will really help. Sparrow simply must play based off his best on ground performance in the VFL.

I’m seeing a lot of posts like this that have both Tomlinson and Jones out. 

It’s only one of them - Jones was the sub, not in the 22. If you replace Tomlinson with someone, Jones automatically reverts to the sub and doesn’t free up another spot. 

4 hours ago, A F said:

2.1 is a quiet week? Looking forward to when he has a good week then, let alone a dominant week.

And the .1 was so close to a goal that if the goal umpire had called it a goal I’m 99% sure it would have survived a score review. 

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3 hours ago, Better days ahead said:

We'd be crazy to let the Weid go. He is 5 years younger than TMac so reckon TMac might be the odd man out. No disrespect to TMac he's been great this year for us. Maybe we can keep both somehow!

The Weid is the future up top and Petty is the future down back.

I think you're right...only time will tell.

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10 hours ago, Chook said:

There is absolutely no way McDonald and Wiedeman are both at Melbourne next year unless McDonald re-reinvents himself in defence or Melbourne wins the premiership and everyone decides to stay on board for the ride.

Wied is gone at end of year in any other world.

If we are smart, we trade McDonald out to clear out some cap space and keep Weideman. But I am not sure that will work out the way we want. Weideman would have lots of currency. 

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6 hours ago, A F said:

2.1 is a quiet week? Looking forward to when he has a good week then, let alone a dominant week.

Yeah he kicked 2 goals against the worst team in the league.  He only took 1 mark.    He was very quiet.

Needs to do much better against the Swans.

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I have no idea what they'll do re. Tomlinson.  I've been firmly in the keep TMac forward camp, but I do remember he was in All Australian conversations as a defender once upon a time, so he can definitely defend.  The knock on him was his decision making and disposal coming out of the backline.  Now we have May, and Salem is in career best form as the distributor, the Tomlinson role could suit him to a tee.  Allows us to get Wedeman in, just means Petty would be stiff.  And can Wied play the TMac role as good as TMac?  Not sure about that until we see it.

Think we have been better with Brayshaw on the wing, as much as I'd like him to be back in the guts.  He has grown into the role and is important structurally.  I think bringing Sparrow in, pushing Brayshaw back to the wing and leaving Baker out is the best option to cover Viney.  The other option of TMac to the wing, Weideman forward, Brayshaw to stay in the guts, Petty in for Tommo and Baker out, might also be worth a look.

Hopefully Brown is better for the run, I was watching him closely off the ball on Sunday and he could not get a millimetre of separation on his opponent.  Some of our clean centre clearances and quick rebounds were a full forward's dream, but he really struggled to get a step on McKay.  Hopefully just rusty.

I shall watch on with interest.

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In: Petty, Sparrow, Jones (starting 22), Bedford (medical sub)
Out: Tomlinson (?), Viney (?), Baker

Dropping Brown after one game is ridiculous

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1 hour ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Yeah he kicked 2 goals against the worst team in the league.  He only took 1 mark.    He was very quiet.

Needs to do much better against the Swans.

Was also double and triple teamed on occasions and was held or scragged every time he went for a mark.. With all the attention he got allowed Fritta to get off the chain.

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14 minutes ago, loges said:

Was also double and triple teamed on occasions and was held or scragged every time he went for a mark.. With all the attention he got allowed Fritta to get off the chain.

Yes you nailed it Loges.

With BBB ( just acclimatising) Tommy (even quiet) The third defender ( or fourth) if you count Jacko it's no wonder that they ran out of defenders viz. Bailey 6 goals and Kossie 3 and about 6 others on the loose kicking goals.

Its a team game P2J so don't Go potting BBB in his first game. 2 goals  is just about his average by the way and he was quiet but also credit to his opponent.

Will have big days like Bailey did and above all each forward and mid are up for scoring. Even Salo drifting down.

Total  wins and Roles played are the way we will be hardest to beat.

 

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2 hours ago, Jaded said:

If we are smart, we trade McDonald out to clear out some cap space and keep Weideman. But I am not sure that will work out the way we want. Weideman would have lots of currency. 

Just let This year take care  Of itself Jaded. Thank our luck that Tmac did not find a suitor so he can be a key forward or Blackman as Well.

He can interchange with Petty.

Weid will get opportunities This year and we hope he also performs up to his best.

But I am not sure he is a better forward  than Tommy In the team aspect of forward play. He makes room and opportunities fir our other forwards and his physical strength is impressive plus his high marking at the top of his reach.

Tommy might also be a better replacement for Adam down back than Petty but I believe It will make Petty giving him first op on the Key Position in defence. We can always flip Tmac and Petty from back to forward and reverse.

PS Credit to Simon for pulling the trigger on Sunday plus his move of Jacko to the ruck in the third quarter. We are starting to get some versatile soldiers with ability to influence results let's not let the baby out with the bath water far too soon.

 

 

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Just now, 58er said:

Just let This year take care  Of itself Jaded. Thank our luck that Tmac did not find a suitor so he can be a key forward or Blackman as Well.

He can interchange with Petty.

Weid will get opportunities This year and we hope he also performs up to his best.

But I am not sure he is a better forward  than Tommy In the team aspect of forward play. He makes room and opportunities fir our other forwards and his physical strength is impressive plus his high marking at the top of his reach.

Tommy might also be a better replacement for Adam down back than Petty but I believe It will make Petty giving him first op on the Key Position in defence. We can always flip Tmac and Petty from back to forward and reverse.

PS Credit to Simon for pulling the trigger on Sunday plus his move of Jacko to the ruck in the third quarter. We are starting to get some versatile soldiers with ability to influence results let's not let the baby out with the bath water far too soon.

 

 

Back man not Bl........n ! 

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12 hours ago, Pates said:

To clarify, I’m not in the slightest bit worried about his relatively quiet game. In fact I fully expected it, and I also agree that Brown brought a contest at every ball that came into him allowing Fritta, Kozzie, and even Jackson at one point the opportunity at the ground ball. 

He’s going to take some time before he hits his peak, I guess I’m wondering if it’s fair on Sam if he puts in good performances but isn’t rewarded should Brown not meet the standards expected. 

Time please Dees fans are far too impatient!

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Just now, No10 said:

Might be the week to rest Kossi.

Chandler or Bedford.

Maximum pressure is then on all the small forwards to hold their spot.

Ridiculous comment on any level. Chandler will get his opportunity just drop Melksham if he doesn't perform.

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The weeks go so slow when your team is dominating.  Its not fair we have to wait a whole week to see us win and to get our hit of Kozzie and LJ straight into the veins.

I call on the AFL to expand the season to 44 games, two games per week!

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Might not be popular on here, but I think there is a good chance Harmes will come in for Viney to play the defensive midfielder role as he has done this before and Sydney have a number of midfielders that are damaging clearance players (Kennedy, Parker, Florent).  Alternative is obviously Sparrow who would be more deserving - but I don't know if I've seen him lock down on a player in the way the at Viney / Harmes have.

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2 hours ago, BigFez said:

I have no idea what they'll do re. Tomlinson.  I've been firmly in the keep TMac forward camp, but I do remember he was in All Australian conversations as a defender once upon a time, so he can definitely defend.  The knock on him was his decision making and disposal coming out of the backline.  Now we have May, and Salem is in career best form as the distributor, the Tomlinson role could suit him to a tee.  Allows us to get Wedeman in, just means Petty would be stiff.  And can Wied play the TMac role as good as TMac?  Not sure about that until we see it.

Think we have been better with Brayshaw on the wing, as much as I'd like him to be back in the guts.  He has grown into the role and is important structurally.  I think bringing Sparrow in, pushing Brayshaw back to the wing and leaving Baker out is the best option to cover Viney.  The other option of TMac to the wing, Weideman forward, Brayshaw to stay in the guts, Petty in for Tommo and Baker out, might also be worth a look.

Hopefully Brown is better for the run, I was watching him closely off the ball on Sunday and he could not get a millimetre of separation on his opponent.  Some of our clean centre clearances and quick rebounds were a full forward's dream, but he really struggled to get a step on McKay.  Hopefully just rusty.

I shall watch on with interest.

I think we need to try both TMac and Petty options before we commit to a longer term solution. Also having TMac as a pure winger is being overlooked. This would allow both Weid and Petty in the team and is what TMac actually trained for. Only problem is what this will do for rotations and in particular Angus Brayshaw, whom was quite ordinary in the middle on the weekend.  

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4 hours ago, Jaded said:

If we are smart, we trade McDonald out to clear out some cap space and keep Weideman. But I am not sure that will work out the way we want. Weideman would have lots of currency. 

I wouldn’t be in favour of this Jaded. Tommy has revived his career, and offloading clear best 22 players to save cap space has a bit of a Collingwood smell about it.

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Fritsch back in the mix has changed my view to bring Weid back in automatically. I also thought Tmac could go back but watching Goodwins post match he very quickly raised Petty’s name (also noted Tmac’s good form). I thought Petty might also be injured but no mention on the injury list.
 

The selectors chose to stick with Tmac and Fritsch against the Tigers. They have since brought in Brown. Do they want to continue changing the formula?
 

If they want to tinker at the margins, then Petty comes in for Tomlinson and Tmac returns forward, with Weid out of the Team. Brayshaw wing and Sparrow replacing Baker. 

If they want to shake it up, Weid in as a forward and Tmac to wing, Petty back. Brayshaw miscellaneous role similar to Jordan. I know that pre-season this was trialled, but we are also 7-0 with Tmac as a forward. 
 

Will be fascinating to see what they do, but on precedent I’m looking at the former option (minor tinkering). 
 

wouldn't be surprised if one of our small forwards needs a rest and one of Chandler / Bedford come in. Or Jones replaced.

 

Be back tomorrow night to change my opinion.

W

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I don't normally do this....but I thought I should give my possible line up against the Sydney Swans.

Left Back Pocket             Full Back          Right Back Pocket

Michael Hibberd 14      Steven May 1         Harry Petty 35

Left Half Back Flank      Centre Half Back    Right Half Back Flank

Christian Salem 3              Jake Lever 8             Jayden Hunt 29

Left Wing                           Centre                           Right Wing

Ed Langdon 15                Clayton Oliver 13          Tom McDonald 25

Left Half Forward Flank    Centre Half Forward      Right Half Forward Flank

Kysaiah Pickett 36                Sam Weideman 26              Jake Melksham 18

Left Forward Pocket               Full Forward                  Right Forward Pocket

Bayley Fritsch 31                    Ben Brown 50                     Charlie Spargo 9

Ruck                                             Ruck Rover                              Rover

Max Gawn 11                          Christian Petracca 5           Angus Brayshaw 10   

 

Interchange

Nathan Jones 2    Luke Jackson 6   Trent Rivers 24    James Jordon 23

Medical Substitute

Tom Sparrow 32 or Alex Neal-Bullen 30

Ins: Sam Weideman,   Harry Petty  and Tom Sparrow (medical substitute)

Outs: Adam Tomlinson,  Jack Viney (injured) and Oskar Baker (omitted)

 

My reasoning for the tall forward line is because the Sydney Swans will be stretched for height in defense. We can also play Tom McDonald (who should have the fitness to do it) on the wing and he can help out in defense or drift forward. I also think that Harry Petty should get the first shot at Lance "Buddy" Franklin but if he can't handle him then Steven May can move onto him.

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5 minutes ago, Supreme_Demon said:

 

I don't normally do this....but I thought I should give my possible line up against the Sydney Swans.

Left Back Pocket             Full Back          Right Back Pocket

Michael Hibberd 14      Steven May 1         Harry Petty 35

Left Half Back Flank      Centre Half Back    Right Half Back Flank

Christian Salem 3              Jake Lever 8             Jayden Hunt 29

Left Wing                           Centre                           Right Wing

Ed Langdon 15                Clayton Oliver 13          Tom McDonald 25

Left Half Forward Flank    Centre Half Forward      Right Half Forward Flank

Kysaiah Pickett 36                Sam Weideman 26              Jake Melksham 18

Left Forward Pocket               Full Forward                  Right Forward Pocket

Bayley Fritsch 31                    Ben Brown 50                     Charlie Spargo 9

Ruck                                             Ruck Rover                              Rover

Max Gawn 11                          Christian Petracca 5           Angus Brayshaw 10   

 

Interchange

Nathan Jones 2    Luke Jackson 6   Trent Rivers 24    James Jordon 23

Medical Substitute

Tom Sparrow 32 or Alex Neal-Bullen 30

Ins: Sam Weideman,   Harry Petty  and Tom Sparrow (medical substitute)

Outs: Adam Tomlinson,  Jack Viney (injured) and Oskar Baker (omitted)

 

My reasoning for the tall forward line is because the Sydney Swans will be stretched for height in defense. We can also play Tom McDonald (who should have the fitness to do it) on the wing and he can help out in defense or drift forward. I also think that Harry Petty should get the first shot at Lance "Buddy" Franklin but if he can't handle him then Steven May can move onto him.

Too many position changes unnecessary at best.

Tmac  stay at CHF 
Petty  at CHB
Lever BP 
Angus on wing
Sparrow in interchange 
Weid not named in 22 
 

IN      Petty Chandler Sparrow 

OUT   Tomlinson Baker Melksham/Jones 

 

Watching brief on Jones/Melksham  and Hunty but he like most played a great 2nd half.

Remember last  half score Was 10.3 to a paltry 2.2!!!   So nothing wrong with that form.

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