Jump to content

Discussion on recent allegations about the use of illicit drugs in football is forbidden
  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Posting unsubstantiated rumours on this website is strictly forbidden.

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the issue of illicit drugs in footy, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


Tribunal & MRP 2021


Demonland

Recommended Posts

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Its time the AFL made an example of a 'name' player like Danger and not just the ANB's of the world.

In both cases the concussion occurred when the player's head hit the ground, after the infringement.  In both cases the optics were very bad.  In both cases the infringement was sent directly to the Tribunal.  ANB got 4 weeks.  Appeal rejected. 

Commentators said at the time that if ANB was  'name' player he wouldn't get the same treatment. 

Concussion is taken far more seriously now than as it should be.  Time for the AFL to set down the law.

LH In Your statement about concussion above iMO You have inadvertently left out  "yesteryear " or "previously " and I think it then sounds correct and  accurate of the situation today.

Yes we disagree on the mechanics of bumps damage and intent BUT not the human damage likely to occur if we don't stamp it out of our game.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

He’ll get 3. But I think it should be 2 weeks. Concussion and a broken nose isn’t a severe injury. It happens in AFL and will always happen.

We’ve had concussions for decades and we’re finally monitoring them and treating them properly, that doesn’t mean the game has to jump at shadows.

You can’t ask players to chase as hard as possible and then throw the book at them when a collision occurs. Danger’s adapted at the last minute not to tackle and not to bump high. The next step is to not bump at all and just pull up or make minor contact, that’s what’s required, but it’s all split second. 

If you give Danger 4 then what do you give the guy who genuinely bumps high and goes straight through someone?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Kelly is out for 12 mandatory days due to an avoidable bump causing a concussion. (And he missed the rest of the game)

The starting point for suspension has to be that surely. How can the concussed played be required to miss more game time that the deliberate bump infringer?!  

2 minimum. 3 right length (and message). 4 if the players involved were reversed. 

 

 

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

38 minutes ago, 58er said:

Sorry Kev he DID NOT LEAD the tackle   with his head. That was the accidental part so no malice was intended.

Your comment re Brixton is entirely erroneous as many AFL  tackles and completely accidental collisions end up with head clashes with / without Blood/ etc or concussion.

As he Decided  to bump Like Williams of Carlton did and some damage  occurred then he has to defend the reason why he bumped as aggressively as he did ( That's Danger  always at top pace) 

The differences in my opinion with Willisms  is that he DID NOT NEED  to bump was late and with less Damage occurring but we want to cut that out of our  game.

With  the Danger bump it's legal in the play but if he scores any head damage he has to accept the consequences but no malice intended! 

And for that he may get 2/3 weeks but unlike Williams who did bump IMO with intent (malice) late and more "dangerously".

It was demonstratively late in my view

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Perhaps I missing something but the rule is if the impact is severe it’s a 3 match ban. There’s no leeway or discretion or discount. It’s 3 games. End of. If there was malice involved (which I don’t think there was) then additional games are added.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


1 hour ago, 58er said:

Sorry Kev he DID NOT LEAD the tackle   with his head. That was the accidental part so no malice was intended.

I think, that as an elite sportsman he is totally aware of where all parts of his body are going.

Super proprioception is gained by being totally body centric.

As a mug sportsman, I even know where my body, including my head will kind of end up in a collision. In fact being such an important part of my anatomy which I protect. I can run through very small gaps, and know where my head will hit or not.

He had a good idea what was going on.

He did hit with his shoulder and I believe the head clash was not incidental, but inevitable and calculated.

He thought if he doesn't leave the ground/jump at the player, then it is a legal hit and covers his duty of care.

Edited by kev martin
Link to comment
Share on other sites

32 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

The next step is to not bump at all and just pull up or make minor contact, that’s what’s required, but it’s all split second. 

They are making split decision all the time.

Should have bent his body down and put it into Kelly's torsos, keeping all parts of himself away from the head.

It's a duty of care action and should be judged as malicious. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, 58er said:

completely accidental collisions end up with head clashes with / without Blood/ etc or concussion.

Usually when both players are going hard at "it" or are team mates competing for the same ball, with eyes on the ball, or in flight and cannot change the direction, the accidental "head clash" occurs. Two or more unpredictable people and circumstances make for those sickening collisions. 

Kelly was completely open, could not brace and his movement was predictable. 

It was in the Dangers control, only.

Ran through the bloke with an intention to bring the hurt.

Edited by kev martin
Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, kev martin said:

I think, that as an elite sportsman he is totally aware of where all parts of his body are going.

Super proprioception is gained by being totally body centric.

As a mug sportsman, I even know where my body, including my head will kind of end up in a collision. In fact being such an important part of my anatomy which I protect. I can run through very small gaps, and know where my head will hit or not.

He had a good idea what was going on.

He did hit with his shoulder and I believe the head clash was not incidental, but inevitable and calculated.

He thought if he doesn't leave the ground/jump at the player, then it is a legal hit and covers his duty of care.

Some interesting comments Kev

You don't really know where your head will end up if a collision is imminent as your instinct is to avoid the collision!! Therefore damage to your head and self preservation are mostly the guide we use to try and avoid contact to our most precious body part but are unable to be sure of the correct reaction.

As for putting your head through small gaps that is more luck more than good management !!!

Football  is based upon competitive contact and skill with the ball your object not running around playing games with your brain and your head trying to be clever.

we all have instincts and they guide us yes but we cannot predict the sort of damage we will always receive as we don't know when the collision or body contact is coming.

No intent to head high contact was in this as why would you want to hit heads with almost certain damage/ concussion a probability is a mystery.

But some want to nail Danger no matter What comment they come up with!!

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

53 minutes ago, 58er said:

You don't really know where your head will end up if a collision is imminent as your instinct is to avoid the collision!!

You are right, after the impact we have no idea.

Though at impact I kinda know where the points of contact will be.

It is why I called it a "Brixton kiss". You can hit anothers head with yours without damage to the perpetrator. 

Danger also said he was in self preservation mode. The collision and subsequent head clash was calculated to not cause damage to himself. 

Edited by kev martin
Link to comment
Share on other sites

23 minutes ago, 58er said:

Football  is based upon competitive contact and skill with the ball your object not running around playing games with your brain and your head trying to be clever.

Body IQ and body memory, is based on proprioceptive responses which are not immediately self-conscious. Brain can become aware after the fact. Action, before the the recognition of the thought.

It is a calculated response that may not involve the conscious brain. Therefore,  they need to know that they cannot hit the head with any part of the body. Much the same as they know the other rules, and the body action is on the right side of the fine line between what can occur and what can't.

It is why and how they develop over time. It all becomes instinctual and within that persons control. 

Edited by kev martin
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Dangerfield saying he did nothing wrong and pleading self protection. He’s giving heads up to the tribunal to what their decision must be. 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/you-ve-got-to-look-after-yourself-as-well-dangerfield-claims-no-realistic-alternative-20210322-p57cwt.html

Edited by america de cali
  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

He left the ground bracing to bump the Crows kid, and left him concussed with a broken nose.

As clear cut case for suspension as the AFL likely to get this year, need to set an example.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 hours ago, dee-tox said:

Should have received weeks after the grand final for raising his forearm on Vlastuin.

They might give him a week  but Cats will appeal to try and have it overtuned.

As an aside, Danger (and family) have many influential mates in the media.

Can't appeal I dont think if it goes straight to the tribunal. Also I think its mandatory 3 weeks given severity of charge. Throw the book at him with 6 weeks and make an example of him! If you look at the video he does momentarily leave the ground just before impact, and this constitutes an even graver scenario

Edited by picket fence
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


1 hour ago, Better days ahead said:

Perhaps I missing something but the rule is if the impact is severe it’s a 3 match ban. There’s no leeway or discretion or discount. It’s 3 games. End of. If there was malice involved (which I don’t think there was) then additional games are added.

You are correct they changed the rules so if the player that’s hit gets concussed it’s automatically deemed as severe impact he cannot fight that, so minimum will be 3 weeks if the tribunal thinks it’s intentional then will add a week or 2 but he won’t get under 3 weeks IF the rules are followed 

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

He left the ground bracing to bump the Crows kid, and left him concussed with a broken nose.

As clear cut case for suspension as the AFL likely to get this year, need to set an example.

The ground is now perfectly laid for another breathtaking, inexplicable "AFL special" decision. (Take particular note of the tribunal chairman's remarks.)

  • Like 1
  • Angry 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, In Harmes Way said:

They can’t let their little darling off a week after changing the concussion rules to protect players because they’re concerned about player welfare.

Remember that May got a week for a bump and he wasn’t even moving. He has to get scrubbed.

It would be an outrage if Danger was not heavily penalised for an avoidable collision particularly in the light of some decisions in the recent past, and from the MFC point of view, that penalty awarded to May who was stationary at the time of impact because he was occupying territory desparately wanted by a panicking player whose ball possession could be ended. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

38 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

He left the ground bracing to bump the Crows kid, and left him concussed with a broken nose.

As clear cut case for suspension as the AFL likely to get this year, need to set an example.

I agree he left the ground and simultaneously clearly lunged toward Kelly well after he had disposed of the ball and who had stopped moving.forward so there was no need to bump into him at all.  And it wasn't 'self-protection' as he is claiming.

Edited by Lucifer's Hero
Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

from the MFC point of view, that penalty awarded to May who was stationary at the time of impact because he was occupying territory desparately wanted by a panicking player whose ball possession could be ended. 

OK, but put yourself in the shoes of the MRP and you'll see that May was completely to blame as he (a) isn't a "name" midfielder (ii) doesn't have a Brownlow or wasn't in contention for it (iii) hasn't played in a recent flag (iv) isn't fawned over by footy journos. Open and shut case. It's known in football judiciary circles as "the Trengove principle", although in recent changes to the tribunal guidelines, it was updated to "the ANB principle".

  • Like 2
  • Haha 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

42 minutes ago, america de cali said:


Dangerfield saying he did nothing wrong and pleading self protection. He’s giving heads up to the tribunal to what their decision must be. 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/you-ve-got-to-look-after-yourself-as-well-dangerfield-claims-no-realistic-alternative-20210322-p57cwt.html

What happened to the AFL rule that coaches and players are prohibited from public comment on MRP decisions.  I'm sure the AFL love the 'click bait' but he shouldn't be allowed to do this.

He is even saying previous cases should be ignored.  He knows he is in strife.

That he is (player) President of the AFLPA makes it even more important that he is not seen to be 'above the law' so should get the mandatory 3 weeks that goes with direct referral to the Tribunal.

Edited by Lucifer's Hero
  • Like 4
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

What happened to the AFL rule that coaches and players are prohibited from public comment on MRP decisions.  I'm sure the AFL love the 'click bait' but he shouldn't be allowed to do this.

He is even saying previous cases should be ignored.  He knows he is in strife.

That he is President of the AFLPA makes it even more important that he is not seen to be 'above the law' so should get the mandatory 3 weeks that goes with direct referral to the Tribunal.

life of brian monthy python GIF

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all.    On that rainy Friday night at the Adelaide Oval, Ken Hinkley’s young midfield secured much more than four points on offer. The victory over one of the big dogs of the competition after a succession of wins over some of its lesser lights gave his team respect and validation fo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Monday 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training. DEMON DYNASTY'S TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Kade Chandler's left knee heavily strapped. BBB, Spargs & Jake Lever also in rehab group. Jake Bowey solo running separate kicking/sprint/agility drills. Super fine morning / early arvo at Gosch's for the boys to blow out some cobwebs. Choco initially had the light duties / rehab group

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter. By the time they worked out it was game on, their opponents from Box Hill had accumulated five goals and, if the game wasn’t over, it might as well have been. For a se

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head. The Demons have now won nine of their last ten encounters with the other result, a draw.     And like a fork, it was the multi-pronged options that Melbourne had all across the ground.  It certainly helped that Hawthorn

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 8

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in the Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out?

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 262

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 25th March @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons victory at the MCG against the Hawks in the Round 02. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & Chat

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 46

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 50

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 357

    GAMEDAY: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 437
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast Stream 


    Open Stream in
    New Window
        TuneIn    Opens in New Tab
  • Support Demonland  



  • 2021 Premiership  

  • Social Media 

  • Non MFC Games  

    NON-MFC: Round 03

    Discussion of all the other games that don't involve the Demons in Round 03 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | Round 03

  • Match Preview      

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 27

  • Latest Podcast      

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The boys dissected the clinical thrashing of Hawks praising the immense performance of Christian Petracca whilst lamenting the injury toll to our defensive unit ... LISTEN

    Demonland | March 26

  • Training  

    Monday, 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • Casey Report      

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • PreGame      

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head out on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out? ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 28

  • Match Report      

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Post Game      

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Votes      

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Game Day      

    GAMEDAY: Round 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Training  

    Friday, 22nd March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin and I attended the Captain's Run at Gosch's Paddock on this lovely sunny morning to bring you the following observations from the training session ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 22

  • Training  

    Tuesday, 19th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin & Walking Civil War attended Tuesday morning's training session at Gosch's Paddock to bring you the following observations ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 19

  • Training  

    Saturday, 16th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Dee Zephyr wandered down to Gosch's Paddock on Saturday morning to bring you their observations from the Captain's Run in the lead up to Sunday's Round One match against the Bulldogs ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 16

  • Farewell  

    Angus Brayshaw Retires

    After 167 games including the drought breaking Premiership Angus Brayshaw has made the heart breaking decision to medically retire from football as a result of a series of serious head knocks over his nearly decade of footy. We wish Gus all the best and he'll always be a hero at Demonland ... READ MORE

    Demonland | February 22

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Koltyn Tholstrup Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club’s newest recruit Koltyn Tholstrup to have a chat about his journey from the farm to the Demons, his first few weeks of preseason training, which Dees have impressed him on the track and his aspirations of playing Round 1 ... LISTEN

    Demonland | December 14

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Jason Taylor Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club's National Recruitment Manager Jason Taylor to have a chat about our Trade and Draft period, our newest recruits, our recent recruits who have yet to debut as well as those father son prospects on the horizon ... LISTEN

    Demonland | November 27

  • Next Match 

    .

    Round 03

       vs   

    Saturday 30th March 2024
    @ 07:30pm (AO)

  • MFC Forum  

  • Match Previews & Reports  

  • Training Forum  

  • AFLW Forum  

  • 2024 Player Sponsorship

  • Topics

  • Injury List  


      PLAYER INJURY LENGTH
    Jake Lever Knee Test
    Clayton Oliver Hand Test
    Oliver Sestan Concussion Test
    Steven May Ribs 1 Week
    Lachie Hunter Calf 1 Week
    Daniel Turner Hip 2-3 Weeks
    Charlie Spargo Achilles 2-4 Weeks
    Shane McAdam Hamstring 3-5 Weeks
    Jake Bowey Shoulder 7 Weeks
    Jake Melksham ACL 12-14 Weeks
    Joel Smith Suspension TBA

  • Player of the Year  


        PLAYER VOTES
    1 Christian Petracca 27
    2 Steven May 25
    3 Max Gawn 21
    4 Jack Viney 20
    5 Bayley Fritsch 19
    6 Clayton Oliver 18
    7 Christian Salem 12
    8 Blake Howes 11
    9 Jack Billings 10
    9 Alex Neal-Bullen 10

        FULL TABLE
  • Demonland Interviews 



  • Upcoming Events 

×
×
  • Create New...