The Paddy McCartin Thread

[picket fence 15,101]

9 hours ago, picket fence said:

NOOOOOO WAY

And I'll reference my comments with the Caveat, that, given the History of head knocks there is NO WAY we should contemplate this for medical reasons only. I shudder to think what another one would do. No!

[Docs Demons 1,658]

16 minutes ago, picket fence said:

And I'll reference my comments with the Caveat, that, given the History of head knocks there is NO WAY we should contemplate this for medical reasons only. I shudder to think what another one would do. No!

Concur PF. Also we had  2-3 years with KK and know what head knocks can do. I just hope he gets on with his life and enjoys it.

[Roost it far 6,025]

If the best brain doctors say yes and the scans say yes then I say yes

[Pates 9,536]

We took the punt on KK, it failed. We took the punt on Bennell, didn’t go so well. I don’t see any need for us to take a punt on Paddy when we actually do have depth in that area. Ultimately he would still be behind Tom, LJ, and Brown anyway. 

I also cringe at the thought of him playing footy and taking one more hard hit that could impact him long term (what he’s been through I can’t imagine it hasn’t already). 

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

The biggest no ever.

Imagine he got KO'd in Round 1 (or any round).  Would be a disaster on every level you can think of.

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On 2/11/2021 at 7:52 AM, Lucifer's Hero said:

Garry Lyon is very close to the McCartin family and good on him for supporting the kid.

I have only media knowledge of Paddy's concussion issues and what he went thru in 2019 sounded horrendous.  He had no lifestyle at all.  All credit to him for getting to a point where he could be recruited.  I think he spent some time training with Sydney late last year.  But he is a knock or two away from a life damaging injury if not now in the future. If he was my son I would encourage him to find another career.

From an mfc view I don't think it is worth the risk in part because there is no way of knowing how many games he could play and we could easily end up with 3 tall fwds out for a large part of the season.  I would hate for it to be like KK.

We have T Mc, M Brown, LJ and cameos from Petty to play the tall fwd role(s).  For years Richmond played and won a flag with only one tall fwd building a fleet of small players around him.  With the recruitment of Bowey, Laurie plus Kozzie, Spargo etc we can have a high performing fwd line with our list, as long as the game plan maximises the talents we have. 

No from me.

The AFL need short term contracts, that can be cancelled anytime for special cases like Pat.

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On 2/11/2021 at 8:12 PM, Pates said:

We took the punt on KK, it failed. We took the punt on Bennell, didn’t go so well. I don’t see any need for us to take a punt on Paddy when we actually do have depth in that area. Ultimately he would still be behind Tom, LJ, and Brown anyway. 

I also cringe at the thought of him playing footy and taking one more hard hit that could impact him long term (what he’s been through I can’t imagine it hasn’t already). 

Agree with all you’ve said except that McCartin at his best is clearly better than Mitch Brown (unless it was Ben Brown you were referring to).

On footy talent alone, I’d be taking McCartin. But we need to stop taking punts on the Bennells and KK’s of the world and invest in surer bets.

[layzie 28,698]

While it sounds a lot less silly than 6 months ago I'd still think it's not quite worth the punt. The point is though we are probably going to need cover at some point.

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If you want a real left field solution then why not go and offer Alex Rance a one year deal. This would allow us to release a May or a Petty up forward if required.

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,762]

I'd love for us to pickup a stop-gap tall forward to get us through the first month. 

Yes, we might be able to get by with TMac, LJ and Mitch but the forward line is our glaring weakness. If we lose one of those guys and we're 0-4, 2021 is just about a write-off.

Not sure about McCartin, but some insurance would be nice.

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On 2/11/2021 at 12:48 PM, DeeSpencer said:

Maybe we could send a Facebook DM to Jonny Patton?

Pull the other one!

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On 2/11/2021 at 6:34 PM, Roost it far said:

If the best brain doctors say yes and the scans say yes then I say yes

The only problem is no scan can see how bad his brain is until it is cut open after death

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7 minutes ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

I'd love for us to pickup a stop-gap tall forward to get us through the first month. 

Yes, we might be able to get by with TMac, LJ and Mitch but the forward line is our glaring weakness. If we lose one of those guys and we're 0-4, 2021 is just about a write-off.

Not sure about McCartin, but some insurance would be nice.

Could we pick him up and cut midseason? when the weed will be back and Ben Brown has had 5 to 8 games under his belt

[mauriesy 6,787]

As is usually the case, it's not simply a matter of "yes", "no" or "take a punt".

It's a matter of his fitness for football, his personal motivation and wellbeing, the likely length and risk for his future in football, what it would cost the club in terms of his contract conditions and length, and whether those factors outweigh any health risk. McCartin was a #1 draft pick after all.

There's a big difference between offering, say, a 2-3 year contract and offering a rookie position on basically match payments. The club would consider all that in a decision.

My feeling is "no", but there would be a lot to consider.

 

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1 hour ago, don't make me angry said:

Could we pick him up and cut midseason? when the weed will be back and Ben Brown has had 5 to 8 games under his belt

Not sure you would sneak option that past the AFLPA

[58er 5,607]

1 hour ago, mauriesy said:

As is usually the case, it's not simply a matter of "yes", "no" or "take a punt".

It's a matter of his fitness for football, his personal motivation and wellbeing, the likely length and risk for his future in football, what it would cost the club in terms of his contract conditions and length, and whether those factors outweigh any health risk. McCartin was a #1 draft pick after all.

There's a big difference between offering, say, a 2-3 year contract and offering a rookie position on basically match payments. The club would consider all that in a decision.

My feeling is "no", but there would be a lot to consider.

 

My feeling is NO out of consideration of all facts and health factors for Paddy.

At the same time I hope that if Paddy wants to play he gets an opportunity.

Last year  we gave Harley a chance but since feel That Paddy is similar to Weid in that he needs to produce form Early on the make it worthwhile.  His form to be fair when available had not been great either. Realise it is a harsh call but entirely realistic one for our Club.

[darkhorse72 1,724]

No, simply as his long term quality of life is far more important.  He should go play some low end social footy if  he still wants to play.  I can see him getting hit hard pretty early int he season and that being the end of his career and maybe more for good.

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1 hour ago, Darkhorse72 said:

No, simply as his long term quality of life is far more important.  He should go play some low end social footy if  he still wants to play.  I can see him getting hit hard pretty early int he season and that being the end of his career and maybe more for good.

All very well, but what level he aspires to is something for Paddy to make, and some club to accept.

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2 hours ago, Darkhorse72 said:

No, simply as his long term quality of life is far more important.  He should go play some low end social footy if  he still wants to play.  I can see him getting hit hard pretty early int he season and that being the end of his career and maybe more for good.

More likely to get hit behind the play in a lower level

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3 hours ago, Darkhorse72 said:

No, simply as his long term quality of life is far more important.  He should go play some low end social footy if  he still wants to play.  I can see him getting hit hard pretty early int he season and that being the end of his career and maybe more for good.

No No No social football is tougher  and more shanks hits than AFL!!

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1 hour ago, 58er said:

No No No social football is tougher  and more shanks hits than AFL!!

Spot on.

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Its a no for me because of the risk. Its also a no because I dont think our club should be encouraging the return of such players regardless of what medical advice has occurs. But its also a no for me because there is no consistent exposed form that he is actually any good. 

[Pates 9,536]

If he were ever considered a spot for us I would much prefer us offering a place at Casey (perhaps someone could shed light on if this is possible) and say to him let’s see how you go in competitive footy before the mid-season draft. Is it a similar system where you can nominate players to have first dibs on? 

But he’d have to be out there playing regular footy with zero symptoms before a place would be considered. And even then it just doesn’t sit well with me. 

[Go the Biff 3,127]

Concussion aside he hasn't played since 2018. He played 35 games in four years. He is a key forward who's never kicked more than 2 goals in a game. Averages less than a goal a game. The answer is clearly a resounding NO. He's not good enough on exposed form.

THEN you add in the concussion issues. FMD, how anyone could even consider this beggars belief.

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13 hours ago, Go the Biff said:

Concussion aside he hasn't played since 2018. He played 35 games in four years. He is a key forward who's never kicked more than 2 goals in a game. Averages less than a goal a game. The answer is clearly a resounding NO. He's not good enough on exposed form.

THEN you add in the concussion issues. FMD, how anyone could even consider this beggars belief.

I generally agree with your sentiments, so it’s just nitpicking , but I do remember he kicked 3 in a drawn game in 2018 sometime.