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28 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

It's not about kicking 50 goals.

It's about him taking the pressure off Luke Jackson and Bayley Fritsch who would have both gotten the 3rd and 4th defender.

Weideman and Brown out changes the whole dynamic set up of our forward line.

Jackson now cops the 2nd best defender and personally I think he'll struggle with the adjustment and bigger defender.

You are trying to tell me that a key forward is not supposed to kick goals! 

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The Weid’s ‘stressy’ sounds like femoral neck, given he has hip pain. Should be on the quick end of healing (fit, young, best care) but as off-loading is the required management, getting back to full

Lucky we didn't trade Tommy Mac is all I'll say.

in fairness Brown, Weed, T Mac, M Brown, Petty, L Jackson (and maybe add in Tomo) is a fairly long list. unless you think the guys you mention above would be in the front of all those? not saying

7 minutes ago, old dee said:

You are trying to tell me that a key forward is not supposed to kick goals! 

Apart from Hunt, whose two high-scoring games skewed the stats, Weidemann had the highest goals/game average last year.

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2 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Petty is actually a forward. but goodwin sees him as a defender. If Goodwin had a brain he'd move Petty forward now but he won't because he's literally the worst coach of the modern era

Rubbish - Petty is a natural defender. I watched him quiet a bit at Casey & he has the potential to be a top quality defender.

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I still reckon we should make the 8 at the least. We didn’t have B Brown last year and Weid was in the 2’s for the first 6 weeks (I think) so we’re pretty much as you were and we should have played finals last year.

A leaner TMac to find some form, LJ to continue his development and Fritsch to bring his shooting boots. Petracca to chip in. Maybe Maxy bobs up with a few. Midfielders to deliver half decent ball and we should be ok. We won’t be blowing teams away but we should still win more than we lose. B Brown will be back and should be hitting his straps by rounds 6-8 and we’re in business.

The danger now is we do exactly what Kane Cornes said we would do, let our heads drop, lose winnable games early and have to play catch-up for the season.

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2 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Petty is actually a forward. but goodwin sees him as a defender. If Goodwin had a brain he'd move Petty forward now but he won't because he's literally the worst coach of the modern era

 

7 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Rubbish - Petty is a natural defender. I watched him quiet a bit at Casey & he has the potential to be a top quality defender.

Spot on 'Cranky'...Petty played his junior footy as a defender and came to the club as such...

 

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1 minute ago, rjay said:

 

Spot on 'Cranky'...Petty played his junior footy as a defender and came to the club as such...

 

Yes he can defend but is also useful up forward. Given we have a backline to pick from he can play at FF.

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I'm blaming Deespicable for this one. I might be wrong.......... nah it's Deespicable's fault for sure !!!

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47 minutes ago, old dee said:

You are trying to tell me that a key forward is not supposed to kick goals! 

The days of just sitting at full forward just to kick goals only are long gone Old, It's changed now hence why we haven't had a power full forward kick a century since 2008.

Get with the times mate, I know you well enough not to explain further.

 

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1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

On a side note that's off topic, I saw on 7 news that Mitch Hannan is out indefinitely with a groin Injury.

Sheeit thats all we need! Why dont Richmond and Geelong cop this kind of bad luck????

Paaaaaark Me!!😱

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Disappointed  considering this but Steven May is probably the next best player id trust in the forward line to have a presence, draw an established and match him, have good positioning and clunk a few marks week in week out. If nothing else its worth a try if we dominate inside 50s and continually outmarked. And yes i know hes a wonderful defender. 

Otherwise Gawn simply has to play more forward this year with Jackson in the ruck.  Hes the best contested mark in the game. We need legitimate marking targets. 

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45 minutes ago, dl4e said:

Yes he can defend but is also useful up forward. Given we have a backline to pick from he can play at FF.

Of course he can go up forward but that wasn't the point of the post...our good friend the doctor seemed to imply that Goodwin had no idea playing him as a defender, his natural position.

 

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3 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Baldwin wouldn’t have been a great option as he’s recovering from a second ACL.

That's true but because of the big wraps about his ability as a junior and his character, I thought he would have been a good selection to bring in, not for immediate impact, but to be an understudy to Ben Brown for as long as it took - two years at Casey if necessary. Still, no club has picked him so there's probably something we don't know about him  that's keeping clubs from taking the risk.

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4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Said this before pre Brown and Weideman injury that I felt we still lacked depth in our forward department and was amazed we had not invited a Jackson Callow or Kaine Baldwin as a train on instead of Kobe Farmer and Deakyn Smith. Two big strong key forwards who are physically ready to go.

Callow invited to train with Hawthorn as of last week.

 

How many key forwards can you have on a list Brown Tmac Weeds Jacko and Mitch Brown I don’t think there was room for any more 

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54 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

On a side note that's off topic, I saw on 7 news that Mitch Hannan is out indefinitely with a groin Injury.

Because I'm psycho(cic) the thought crossed my mind this arvo that Hannan  playing a full year wid de dogs was Buckleys.

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Well this has been a crap week for our forward line, particularly as a strong start is so important to the success of our year. Poor Weid, he was putting in so much hard work and now he'll have to start all over again.

Tommy has gone from being on the fringes (possibly playing wing), to competing for the other spot in the forward line, to now once again being our focal point. Welcome back to 2019 😶.

 

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Bad luck for the Wied. I am one that believes he will become a very good forward. to me he showed a bit last year and I was looking forward to seeing progress again this season.

With both B Brown and Wied out for, at least, the early rounds I will be interested to see how we look at working around this problem. I think it could tell us a lot about the progress the coaching set up has made over the off season. 

There is 6-7 weeks to go to round 1 so they have plenty of time to think it through and set up a number of options.

The form of Tmac, M Brown and Jackson at training and in the pre-season games will be critical to how the forward structure is set up. 

If they are not performing then we could look at Petty, Tomlinson or Petracca as a focal point. Jackson I would not be putting too much pressure on to perform as yet. I think that sort of thing has lead to development problems with players in the past.

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1 minute ago, Pates said:

Well this has been a crap week for our forward line, particularly as a strong start is so important to the success of our year. Poor Weid, he was putting in so much hard work and now he'll have to start all over again.

Tommy has gone from being on the fringes (possibly playing wing), to competing for the other spot in the forward line, to now once again being our focal point. Welcome back to 2019 😶.

 

Yes thankfully we kept Tom. We are now looking at Tommy, Petty, Mitch Brown and Luke Jackson as key forwards, aligned with Fritsch, Tracc, Melchum as mid sized forwards with Spargo, Kossie, Nibbler as crumbers.... it’s not the end of the world if our midfield dominance continues into 2021 and you know we get that connection between mids and forwards functioning. 

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