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Quite bizarre to step up for a press conference you are only having because something you were keeping hidden is now out, and to be acting as if this is all an orchestrated announcement by the club about how they are now going to lead the competition in change.

What he's doing amounts to claiming that "The whole AFL culture is like this but it is actually only Collingwood that has confronted it and we should be applauded for our courage and now seen as leaders in this area."

Wait... that's not 'what it amounts to', that's almost a word for word of what he's saying.

Slimy #$%$#%.

I'm tired of the Eddie love that somehow survives.  He's been bad for football in every way. 

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1 hour ago, faultydet said:

The person writing the report is exceptionally biased, to the point of being racist. No surprises that "institutional racism" was found by someone who complains about it for a living.

Sounds like you are someone who 'does their own research'. Can I suggest looking up 'ad hominem' and why it is a fallacious approach to take when making an argument? 

There is also nothing wrong or weak about taking a critical lens to your thoughts and opinions and interrogating yourself about them. Give it a crack, someday.

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2 hours ago, faultydet said:

The person writing the report is exceptionally biased, to the point of being racist. No surprises that "institutional racism" was found by someone who complains about it for a living.

Racist against whom? Based on what factual evidence exactly?

The person of which you speak is a Distinguished Professor with an OA and a FASSA. This means they are exceptionally versed in evidenced-based reasoning.

So what is yours?

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I read what Eddie said, but there are always certain words missing from his statements. Simple words, like 'sorry' or 'apologize'. 

Simple words which are sometimes all people would like to hear.

It doesn't seem like much to ask. But Eddie apparently has never heard of these words or he just doesn't want to use them.

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7 hours ago, jnrmac said:

A report written by  activist lawyer Larissa Behrendt

Actually, a joint report by two leading academics in the field: Professor Larissa Behrendt and Professor Lindon Coombes, both from the University of Technology in Sydney. Apart from having had a number of roles in the NSW govt., Coombes also worked at that hotbed of lefty radicalism, Price Waterhouse Cooper.
 

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2 hours ago, pitmaster said:

I like to think we have moved beyond where this report places the Collingwood crew. Melbourne was one of the first clubs - Essendon might have beaten us to it - to have an indigenous premiership player: Eddie Jackson in 1948. But I know there were some regrettable slurs thrown at Aboriginal players at the MFC during the 1980s and 1990s, all so-called  "good humour" that would be seen as shameful today.

None of us is immune. Let's hope Bartlett and Goodwin are on to it.

As for the Pies, Eddie is clearly a big part of the problem, a boofhead who thinks he can joke his way out of anything. Seeing this report he might just be tempted to try to stay on to repair his reputation and enhance the legacy. 

What's right and wrong are determined by the masses, every club was like that in the 80's and 90's, the masses in society all use to tell racist jokes and think it was humour, so it was ok, the masses use to make jokes and slurs against gay people, the masses thought it was ok to hate them, so it was ok, now the masses think it's wrong to tell racist jokes and hate gay people so now it is not ok and rightly so. 

 

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40 minutes ago, Dame Gaga said:

I read what Eddie said, but there are always certain words missing from his statements. Simple words, like 'sorry' or 'apologize'. 

Simple words which are sometimes all people would like to hear.

It doesn't seem like much to ask. But Eddie apparently has never heard of these words or he just doesn't want to use them.

So right 'Gaga'...

...and heaven help he ever says "I/we got it wrong"...

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46 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Racist against whom? Based on what factual evidence exactly?

The person of which you speak is a Distinguished Professor with an OA and a FASSA. This means they are exceptionally versed in evidenced-based reasoning.

So what is yours?

Don't you know according to  faultydet and Jr Mac there's no such thing as racism, it's all made up by the left.

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The press conference today is a sadly ironic window into the precise problem this report is trying to highlight.

Rather than true acknowledgement of the issue, Eddie tries to spin it in the most egregiously stupid way possible by opening with the "historic and proud day" comment. A pathetic attempt to suggest Collingwood deserves to be congratulated for instigating the investigation.

And his comment that Collingwood wants to put an arm around Lumumba and take the heat out of the race debate is unbelievable, from a moral standpoint as well as a PR one. That's not, in the slightest, the right thing to do.

A press conference of brand management, narrative shifting and damage control. The same things that strike at the heart of Collingwood's broken leadership/culture in the first place.

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3 hours ago, pitmaster said:

 But I know there were some regrettable slurs thrown at Aboriginal players at the MFC during the 1980s and 1990s, all so-called  "good humour" that would be seen as shameful today.

 

 

Some of these from the players' own teammates. The nickname of 'Storm Boy' given to Sean Charles a case in point.

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Put me down as someone less convinced by the 'systemic' part of this. That's a result that happens when you get academics in to study the real world through their fantasy land lenses.

Yes the constant self praise can be tiresome but the AFL industry is one where Indigenous people are far more represented, respected and well paid than almost any other in this country. Every club surely has an Indigenous welfare and community representatives too.

Spare me the need for quotas across the entirety of the club, 'truth telling' and auditing the board.

The biggest issue at Collingwood is having an unchallenged leader with massive blindspots. The only system that needs to change is to make sure there's accountability at the top. More diversity could help, it's hardly a surprise that a white male of his generation has the blinkers on but if Eddie is picking yes men or yes women it doesn't matter what their backgrounds are. 

17 other clubs don't need special reports and 18 recommendations just to keep on doing the right thing.

 

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According to Peter Ryan of The Age, Eddie said the Magpies desperately wanted to reconcile with Lumumba, who chose not to be interviewed by the independent review. "He's one of us. He doesn't feel that at the moment and it breaks our heart. We want him to be one of us," McGuire said.

Last October Lumumba lodged a claim in the Supreme Court alleging Collingwood breached its duty of care....that he was subjected to racial abuse and the club did nothing. His lawyer, Rhea Dillon said, "the report vindicates our client's claims."

'Lumumba is seeking acknowledgment of the racism, an apology and compensation.'

Lumumba has used social media since last year to voice his claims and seek an apology from Collingwood. In December he said on social media he had been denied access to the report, despite it being completed.

I have put in bold the key words.  Still now, Eddie cannot give an apology. He still does not get it. Lumumba was never made to feel he was "one of us". That is the whole point. Those two words, 'apology' and 'compensation' must be so frightening to him.

Why is it so hard for this man to say sorry?

Footnote: Tony Armstrong told The Age "It was disappointing that ( the press conference ) didn't open with an apology. Very disappointing.....I'm pretty frustrated."

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I said at the time of the Adam Goodes incident that Eddie doesn't possess the self awareness to resign and the Collingwood board don't have the backbone to sack him. The absence of these attributes were on show again today. 

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2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

My favourite tweet was this one...

The only way this presser could've been even worse, is if it was booked at Four Seasons Total Landscaping.

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Definitely a train wreck of a press conference. 

I listened in disbelief from both a PR viewpoint and moral standpoint. 

It started off as embarrassing bur ended as shameful. 

It reflects a leader that has run out of time and one who lacks humility and wisdom. A soon to be ex President, like another recent ex President who lost his way by his inability to see outside his own bubble. Ego and conceit in your own importance and infallibility always ends badly. Only crocodile tears will be shed. 

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