Review Finds Collingwood Guilty of Systemic Racism

[Dr. Gonzo 22,412]

Amazing that only Collingwood Legends Members and above are allowed to vote in their board elections. No wonder Eddie has been able to rule unimpeded for over two decades! For a club that proclaims blue collar roots it is extremely elitist to disenfranchise the "riff raff" lower ranked members.

Source: multiple Collingwood posters on BigFooty

Edited February 5, 2021 by Dr. Gonzo

[binman 37,923]

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

towing the company liner

The boat is the MFC.

The people pulling it is us.

[Neil Crompton 4,716]

16 minutes ago, binman said:

The boat is the MFC.

The people pulling it is us.

Not me Binny - no way - I'm the one taking the pic.

[daisycutter 28,484]

37 minutes ago, binman said:

The boat is the MFC.

The people pulling it is us.

given all the orange gear i'm inclined to think it's a pic of the complete giants supporter base towing a giant marooned ship

[Demonstone 19,084]

Sure it's not West Coast?  They all seem to be on the ice.

[monoccular 16,042]

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

given all the orange gear i'm inclined to think it's a pic of the complete giants supporter base towing a giant marooned ship

No.  Far too many in the picture. 

[Demon17 4,541]

20 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

 

The Collingwood degeneracy transcends race, colour and creed.

Let us not forget the cowardly filth supporters who attacked Nathan Jones dad in the MCG carpark as a very young Zak Jones looked on helplessly.

Also clearly recall them spitting on Allen Jakovich at Victoria park and no doubt countless other players.

A good mate of mine, and former Grand Final Umpire, tells me that when the umpires in the Vic Park days were told thursday night where they were allocated, if it was Vicpark they were simply told "...Your at the Zoo this week..."  They all called it by that name and entering and leaving the arena was only for the brave. They hated it.

Mainly the spitting from above the wire roof of the race he says. He could deal with rotten fruit and other rubbish.

Their culture was and is an effing disgrace.

[Cards13 9,117]

8 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

A good mate of mine, and former Grand Final Umpire, tells me that when the umpires in the Vic Park days were told thursday night where they were allocated, if it was Vicpark they were simply told "...Your at the Zoo this week..."  They all called it by that name and entering and leaving the arena was only for the brave. They hated it.

Mainly the spitting from above the wire roof of the race he says. He could deal with rotten fruit and other rubbish.

Their culture was and is an effing disgrace.

Still happens today, a couple of years ago I noticed in European “football” stadiums they have moveable walkways for players and officials. As in when they enter or exit the tunnel they pull out a long cascading tunnel so they can’t be spit on or have objects thrown at them. 

[Dr. Gonzo 22,412]

17 hours ago, Demon17 said:

A good mate of mine, and former Grand Final Umpire, tells me that when the umpires in the Vic Park days were told thursday night where they were allocated, if it was Vicpark they were simply told "...Your at the Zoo this week..."  They all called it by that name and entering and leaving the arena was only for the brave. They hated it.

Mainly the spitting from above the wire roof of the race he says. He could deal with rotten fruit and other rubbish.

Their culture was and is an effing disgrace.

A lot of the suburban grounds were like that I think. Windy Hill and Moorabbin wouldn't have been much better. In the early days of the VFL Carlton and North supporters were notorious for their behaviour including multiple incidents of throwing rocks at umpires and opposition players.

[low flying Robbo 979]

20 hours ago, Cards13 said:

Still happens today, a couple of years ago I noticed in European “football” stadiums they have moveable walkways for players and officials. As in when they enter or exit the tunnel they pull out a long cascading tunnel so they can’t be spit on or have objects thrown at them. 

They had that at the MCG a few years ago. A mate of mine built it. Don't recall seeing if after the one year...

[Demon trucker 1,737]

On 05/02/2021 at 1:14 PM, Dr. Gonzo said:

Amazing that only Collingwood Legends Members and above are allowed to vote in their board elections. No wonder Eddie has been able to rule unimpeded for over two decades! For a club that proclaims blue collar roots it is extremely elitist to disenfranchise the "riff raff" lower ranked members.

Source: multiple Collingwood posters on BigFooty

For a club that comes from a blue collar background, it's strange that it's run by the elites of the club,, it just goes to show the culture of the club, that the leadership of the club  looks down on the poorer members, which makes the club strong.

[Mazer Rackham 14,969]

It's a special day in this house of Collingwood supporters. It's junior's birthday!

Mum sez: it's a speshul day for ya, Millane. Yez dad even stole some rich b*****d's wallet so's ya can get sumpfin' speshul on ya birfday.

Junior sez: aw geez Mum. You an' dad aren't pr*cks after all.

Mum sez: watch ya [censored]in' language, ya c***. Now you an' ya sister finish ya brekfest, we're goin' ta Rebel Sports.

Off they go to Rebel Sports. To the footy jumper section.

Mum sez: now yez can pick out any jumper ya want. We'll pay for it on Dad's credit card.

Junior sez: I didn't know Dad had a credit card. How come it sez "Jonathan Marsden" on the card? That's not Dad's name?

Mum sez: nevva mind about that. Now pick out a nice jumper, take ya time, I'm gunna shoplift some Nike shoes for Granny's birfday.

Junior picks out a dark blue jumper with "C F C" in concentric letters on the front.

Sister sez: wotcha pick that one for? That's not a Collingwood jumper!

Sister punches junior in the guts.

Sister sez: Mum! Mum!

Mum comes running.

Mum sez: what ya -- you little barzid. What are you doin' even touchin' that jumper?

Junior sez: you sez pick out a nice jumper. I like this one!

Mum sez. You barzid. How dare you.

Mum whacks him across the head, twice.

Mum sez: we're goin' straight home. By Daicos. You've brought disgrace to this family. I hope ya proud a yaself. What would Eddie McGuire say? God save him from having to witness this outrage! 

Junior sez: it's my birfday an' I want this jumper!

Mum sez: Gordon Coventry! Wait til your farver hears about this. How are we goin' ta get this abomination home? We're not payin' for it!

Sister sez: I'll hide it in De Goey's stroller. De Goey! De Goey! Who's a good girl? Mummy's gunna put this ... thing ... in ya stroller. Now be quiet like a good girl.

They go home in silence, with the jumper hidden in baby De Goey's stroller.

Dad gets home.

Dad sez: By Nathan, I've had a hell of a day. What with Cennalink, the nags, the dogs, the pokies, an' trainin' at the Holden Cenna ...  I've [censored]in' had it. Hey Mum, did ya shoplift anyfink from the bottle shop? A man's thirsty. An how's the birfday boy? Did ya get yaself a nice jumper?

Mum sez: tell ya farver.

Junior sez: Mum sez, pick out a nice jumper, an' so I did. This one!

Dad gasps in shock.

Dad sez:  Jock McHale save me! You little barzid. You barzid. You [censored]in' barzid. I cannot believe what I am seeing.  Me own flesh an' blood. Ya know yer named after Darren Millane, don'tcha? How can you bring shame to Darren Millane like this? By the ghost of Lou Richards. Come 'ere. This is gunna hurt you a lot more than it's gunna hurt me.

He gives junior an almighty thrashing.

Dad sez: well son. I hope yez 'ave learned a lesson from this.

Junior sez: (sobbing) yes I have.

Dad sez: well, what have ya learned?

Junior sez: I've only barracked for Carlton for one day and already I hate youse Collingwood c***s!

Edited February 6, 2021 by Mazer Rackham

[Grr-owl 1,075]

On 2/4/2021 at 2:12 PM, Pickett2Jackson said:

 

The Collingwood degeneracy transcends race, colour and creed.

Let us not forget the cowardly filth supporters who attacked Nathan Jones dad in the MCG carpark as a very young Zak Jones looked on helplessly.

Also clearly recall them spitting on Allen Jakovich at Victoria park and no doubt countless other players.

Mr bother play U19's and 2's for the D's. At Victoria Park they would station people around the boundary to abuse the opposition.

[Grr-owl 1,075]

23 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

It's a special day in this house of Collingwood supporters. It's junior's birthday!

Mum sez: it's a speshul day for ya, Millane. Yez dad even stole some rich b*****d's wallet so's ya can get sumpfin' speshul on ya birfday.

Junior sez: aw geez Mum. You an' dad aren't pr*cks after all.

Mum sez: watch ya [censored]in' language, ya c***. Now you an' ya sister finish ya brekfest, we're goin' ta Rebel Sports.

Off they go to Rebel Sports. To the footy jumper section.

Mum sez: now yez can pick out any jumper ya want. We'll pay for it on Dad's credit card.

Junior sez: I didn't know Dad had a credit card. How come it sez "Jonathan Marsden" on the card? That's not Dad's name?

Mum sez: nevva mind about that. Now pick out a nice jumper, take ya time, I'm gunna shoplift some Nike shoes for Granny's birfday.

Junior picks out a dark blue jumper with "C F C" in concentric letters on the front.

Sister sez: wotcha pick that one for? That's not a Collingwood jumper!

Sister punches junior in the guts.

Sister sez: Mum! Mum!

Mum comes running.

Mum sez: what ya -- you little barzid. What are you doin' even touchin' that jumper?

Junior sez: you sez pick out a nice jumper. I like this one!

Mum sez. You barzid. How dare you.

Mum whacks him across the head, twice.

Mum sez: we're goin' straight home. By Daicos. You've brought disgrace to this family. I hope ya proud a yaself. What would Eddie McGuire say? God save him from having to witness this outrage! 

Junior sez: it's my birfday an' I want this jumper!

Mum sez: Gordon Coventry! Wait til your farver hears about this. How are we goin' ta get this abomination home? We're not payin' for it!

Sister sez: I'll hide it in De Goey's stroller. De Goey! De Goey! Who's a good girl? Mummy's gunna put this ... thing ... in ya stroller. Now be quiet like a good girl.

They go home in silence, with the jumper hidden in baby De Goey's stroller.

Dad gets home.

Dad sez: By Nathan, I've had a hell of a day. What with Cennalink, the nags, the dogs, the pokies, an' trainin' at the Holden Cenna ...  I've [censored]in' had it. Hey Mum, did ya shoplift anyfink from the bottle shop? A man's thirsty. An how's the birfday boy? Did ya get yaself a nice jumper?

Mum sez: tell ya farver.

Junior sez: Mum sez, pick out a nice jumper, an' so I did. This one!

Dad gasps in shock.

Dad sez:  Jock McHale save me! You little barzid. You barzid. You [censored]in' barzid. I cannot believe what I am seeing.  Me own flesh an' blood. Ya know yer named after Darren Millane, don'tcha? How can you bring shame to Darren Millane like this? By the ghost of Lou Richards. Come 'ere. This is gunna hurt you a lot more than it's gunna hurt me.

He gives junior an almighty thrashing.

Dad sez: well son. I hope yez 'ave learned a lesson from this.

Junior sez: (sobbing) yes I have.

Dad sez: well, what have ya learned?

Junior sez: I've only barracked for Carlton for one day and already I hate youse Collingwood c***s!

Coupl'a corrections from a strine pedant. "Berfday" is speld "berfd-e-e." And you can't say, "You've brought disgrace to this family," it's "You've brung disgrace to this family." 

[doc roet 1,199]

2 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

It's a special day in this house of Collingwood supporters. It's junior's birthday!

Mum sez: it's a speshul day for ya, Millane. Yez dad even stole some rich b*****d's wallet so's ya can get sumpfin' speshul on ya birfday.

Junior sez: aw geez Mum. You an' dad aren't pr*cks after all.

Mum sez: watch ya [censored]in' language, ya c***. Now you an' ya sister finish ya brekfest, we're goin' ta Rebel Sports.

Off they go to Rebel Sports. To the footy jumper section.

Mum sez: now yez can pick out any jumper ya want. We'll pay for it on Dad's credit card.

Junior sez: I didn't know Dad had a credit card. How come it sez "Jonathan Marsden" on the card? That's not Dad's name?

Mum sez: nevva mind about that. Now pick out a nice jumper, take ya time, I'm gunna shoplift some Nike shoes for Granny's birfday.

Junior picks out a dark blue jumper with "C F C" in concentric letters on the front.

Sister sez: wotcha pick that one for? That's not a Collingwood jumper!

Sister punches junior in the guts.

Sister sez: Mum! Mum!

Mum comes running.

Mum sez: what ya -- you little barzid. What are you doin' even touchin' that jumper?

Junior sez: you sez pick out a nice jumper. I like this one!

Mum sez. You barzid. How dare you.

Mum whacks him across the head, twice.

Mum sez: we're goin' straight home. By Daicos. You've brought disgrace to this family. I hope ya proud a yaself. What would Eddie McGuire say? God save him from having to witness this outrage! 

Junior sez: it's my birfday an' I want this jumper!

Mum sez: Gordon Coventry! Wait til your farver hears about this. How are we goin' ta get this abomination home? We're not payin' for it!

Sister sez: I'll hide it in De Goey's stroller. De Goey! De Goey! Who's a good girl? Mummy's gunna put this ... thing ... in ya stroller. Now be quiet like a good girl.

They go home in silence, with the jumper hidden in baby De Goey's stroller.

Dad gets home.

Dad sez: By Nathan, I've had a hell of a day. What with Cennalink, the nags, the dogs, the pokies, an' trainin' at the Holden Cenna ...  I've [censored]in' had it. Hey Mum, did ya shoplift anyfink from the bottle shop? A man's thirsty. An how's the birfday boy? Did ya get yaself a nice jumper?

Mum sez: tell ya farver.

Junior sez: Mum sez, pick out a nice jumper, an' so I did. This one!

Dad gasps in shock.

Dad sez:  Jock McHale save me! You little barzid. You barzid. You [censored]in' barzid. I cannot believe what I am seeing.  Me own flesh an' blood. Ya know yer named after Darren Millane, don'tcha? How can you bring shame to Darren Millane like this? By the ghost of Lou Richards. Come 'ere. This is gunna hurt you a lot more than it's gunna hurt me.

He gives junior an almighty thrashing.

Dad sez: well son. I hope yez 'ave learned a lesson from this.

Junior sez: (sobbing) yes I have.

Dad sez: well, what have ya learned?

Junior sez: I've only barracked for Carlton for one day and already I hate youse Collingwood c***s!

Sad but true. There is many lives like this and not all are necessarily filth supporters. 

[Demon17 4,541]

On 2/6/2021 at 11:12 AM, Dr. Gonzo said:

A lot of the suburban grounds were like that I think. Windy Hill and Moorabbin wouldn't have been much better. In the early days of the VFL Carlton and North supporters were notorious for their behaviour including multiple incidents of throwing rocks at umpires and opposition players.

Your'e probably right  and issues at other grounds.  But Vic. Park was seen as a special case by the umpiring fraternity.

The thing my friend says is the VicPark was hostile to a high degree,  even if the Pies won.

The members in that stand still had the focus to abuse the umpires even as their triumphant team walked off victorius.

Strange mindsets IMO. What he hated more though was when he was stuck at the cheer squad end goals.

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

Former Demon and Pie Simon Buckley says Lumumba gave himself the nickname he is now so offended about and trying to make money off.  

 

[Demon trucker 1,737]

4 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Former Demon and Pie Simon Buckley says Lumumba gave himself the nickname he is now so offended about and trying to make money off.  

 

extraordinary clam by a  ex team mate must be a grain of truth by Simon

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,394]

6 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

extraordinary clam by a  ex team mate must be a grain of truth by Simon

Why do you think that? Lumumba started at Collingwood in 2005. S Buckley didn't join Collingwood until late 2010. How would S Buckley know how Lumumba got the nickname?

[Demon trucker 1,737]

4 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Why do you think that? Lumumba started at Collingwood in 2005. S Buckley didn't join Collingwood until late 2010. How would S Buckley know how Lumumba got the nickname?

Well he said that Harry would call himself that nickname, if true you can't be offended by a nickname you use  for yourself. And if he does then Harry is worse then a racist, he is a  hypocrites the worst people in the world.

[Engorged Onion 9,255]

21 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

Well he said that Harry would call himself that nickname, if true you can't be offended by a nickname you use  for yourself. And if he does then Harry is worse then a racist, he is a  hypocrites the worst people in the world.

You'd be well aware of the machine that is AFL football, and the need to fit in.

The need to fit in if you are markedly different from others...

I cannot imagine an 18yo, who started in 2005 - with the playing list below... would kick up a fuss about a nick name bestowed upon him by his luminaries, or contemporaries, when all an 18yo wants to is fit and get selected.

And then you age a few years (but only still 22-25 ), and you know, no one else at the club (aside from Leon or other indigenous athletes) knows what it is like to not be white in and white male dominated industry.. (and you've  got the president of said club mouthing off the way he has always done)... 

I'd like you to really reconsider your statement there @don't make me angry

You've got no idea of what afl club land is like, nor do you know what it was like and his lived experience. 

 

[Little Goffy 12,546]

35 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Why do you think that? Lumumba started at Collingwood in 2005. S Buckley didn't join Collingwood until late 2010. How would S Buckley know how Lumumba got the nickname?

 

24 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

Well he said that Harry would call himself that nickname, if true you can't be offended by a nickname you use  for yourself. And if he does then Harry is worse then a racist, he is a  hypocrites the worst people in the world.

That gets tricky. 

On the one hand, Lumumba really might have thought little of the nickname and run with it while he felt secure at the club.  Only once he was on the proverbial outer did it sting and perhaps only then did he realise he was himself enabling systemic racism by using his position of security to imagine himself 'immune.  Later, the cognitive dissonance of that is now fuelling his anger in unhealthy ways.

OR

Simon Buckley, arriving five years after Lumumba, was witnessing exactly the situation that Lumumba described as so hurtful; by 2010 it was established that at Collingwood there was no point trying to object to the nickname so he had little option other than to try to make as light of it as possible, all the while feeling like he was betraying himself by going along with it and effectively being forced to become a part of the systemic racism problem in order to not be branded 'trouble' and 'against the team'.

Both are possible, but my money would be on option B.

Absolutely, seriously, you can be offended by the nickname you use yourself.  It's would actually be the deepest injury when you feel you have no choice but to accept that that is now your nickname.  That would also be the tangible embodiment of systemic racism or any other systemic denigration.  Most of us, I think, would only have to think back to school days to come up with dozens of examples of people who had to get by with pretty crappy nicknames they didn't like but didn't get a choice on.

That reminds me; I've been in a call-centre workplace where the shift manager had managed to give nicknames including 'tranny-lover', 'the fat Greek', and 'muzzie girl', and since this awful woman had total power over shifts and employment and would make a very loud fuss about 'just being a joke' right in the middle of the call centre if anyone so much as raised an eyebrow.  (Suffice to say I didn't last long at this place, but to be fair there was a variety of reasons)

It is entirely possible that everything Buckley is saying he witnessed is true, but, again, it is precisely the power of systemic racism that puts the curtain up so Buckley isn't aware of what's going on behind, and, in turn, is sincerely annoyed at Lumumba.

And there it is - systemic racism has successfully put a wall up between Lumumba and Buckley where Buckley (and this is without any accusation that Simon is racist) sees Lumumba as a hypocrite looking for attention.

[dazzledavey36 48,704]

Simon buckley is an absolute gronk of a human.

Plays footy up in Echuca and his treatment towards some of the netballers have been disgusting.

Its no surprise that he's come up with that argument against H

The fact @don't make me angry has been sucked into believing this gronk makes you question society in general. 

https://www.news.com.au/national/footy-player-simon-buckley-admits-damaging-ex-girlfriends-car/news-story/897e17cefcd77a7bbc140431f587d3ba?sv=70544ebd71f1a5a16359b0c57d9eb3bc#:~:text=COLLINGWOOD player Simon Buckley has,handed to police on Friday.

 

 

Edited February 7, 2021 by dazzledavey36

[dieter 3,325]

2 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Former Demon and Pie Simon Buckley says Lumumba gave himself the nickname he is now so offended about and trying to make money off.  

 

Trust you to regurgitate this vile bulldust from a man who is, shall we say, not without sin?

[dieter 3,325]

1 hour ago, don't make me angry said:

Well he said that Harry would call himself that nickname, if true you can't be offended by a nickname you use  for yourself. And if he does then Harry is worse then a racist, he is a  hypocrites the worst people in the world.

ER, for the record, I came to this country in 1956 as a 6 year old from Germany. The abuse I suffered was physical and mental.  It was obviously racist abuse. Because I was so desperate to 'fit in' the racial insults became a part of my life. When I was thirty five, my best friend was a Jewish dude called Sam. He liked a drink. He'd turn up at my flat in Alma Road and tell me how bad he felt that the only place in East St Kilda he could get a drink was at a Nazi's house. Then he'd borrow my Primo Levi books. At least he returned them.