Review Finds Collingwood Guilty of Systemic Racism

[dieter 3,325]

2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Racist against whom? Based on what factual evidence exactly?

The person of which you speak is a Distinguished Professor with an OA and a FASSA. This means they are exceptionally versed in evidenced-based reasoning.

So what is yours?

You can't argue with these flat earth troglodytes: It's like arguing with the Trumpos who only talk about Fraud, when, ironically, they don't understand they are the real frauds. I'm on your side, L.N., logic does not and never has ruled in the minds of these people: it basically boils down to the British notion of White Supremacy. 

[Deemented Are Go! 3,581]

31 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

My favourite tweet was this one...

The only way this presser could've been even worse, is if it was booked at Four Seasons Total Landscaping.

I swear I saw a bit of hair dye running down the side of Sweaty Eddies face 

[Dame Gaga 2,453]

Just saw the late news and the Collingwood supporters are reported to be revolting (pun intended). Not happy with Eddie refusing to stand down so they are going to cancel their memberships and support another team. 

First stop - the dentist. They will need to blend in with the crowd. ?

 

[DubDee 20,320]

The arrogance of the man is staggering. Maybe 10 years ago you could get away with sweeping this under the carpet but thank god its 2021 where racism such as this is no longer trivialised and ignored. 
 

[John Demonic 4,780]

I popped on sports day to enjoy some schadenfreude, but all I heard was Gerard Healy questioning how there could be systemic racism because Eddie and Buckley n others there have such gentle giving hearts. Gross to hear one of The boys club that works with him spouting that rubbish, so conflicted and ignorant. Not many in the AFL media prepared to actually go hard because they walk the same aisles.

Edited February 1, 2021 by John Demonic

[Queanbeyan Demon 5,865]

21 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

I popped on sports day to enjoy some schadenfreude, but all I heard was Gerard Healy questioning how there could be systemic racism because Eddie and Buckley n others there have such gentle giving hearts. Gross to hear one of The boys club that works with him spouting that rubbish, so conflicted and ignorant. Not many in the AFL media prepared to actually go hard because they walk the same aisles.

They both pay the same piper JD.

[Cards13 9,117]

Good old Gil jumping in saying racism is bad lol, the AFL should have done more to censure McGuire over the years. They’ve let Goodes and Lumumba down many times and washed there hands of the issue. 

[Nelo 813]

Congrats to Collingwood for the work they have done in this area. Leading the way again. 

[Lucifers Hero 36,973]

11 hours ago, bingers said:

According to Triplechins, it's a day for the filth to be proud  !!!

So proud that they had no sponsor boards?   Sure Eddie!

[Lucifers Hero 36,973]

10 hours ago, Dame Gaga said:

'Lumumba is seeking acknowledgment of the racism, an apology and compensation.'

Lumumba has used social media since last year to voice his claims and seek an apology from Collingwood. In December he said on social media he had been denied access to the report, despite it being completed.

I have put in bold the key words.  Still now, Eddie cannot give an apology. He still does not get it. Lumumba was never made to feel he was "one of us". That is the whole point. Those two words, 'apology' and 'compensation' must be so frightening to him.

Why is it so hard for this man to say sorry?

Footnote: Tony Armstrong told The Age "It was disappointing that ( the press conference ) didn't open with an apology. Very disappointing.....I'm pretty frustrated."

Eddie would be choking on the idea of paying compensation even more than trying to say s...o...r...r.......

 

Edit:  Jack Niall's report it-was-anything-but-a-proud-day-for-collingwood  says "...although it did not address Heritier Lumumba’s case, on the grounds that the 2010 premiership player had chosen not to play ball with the review".  Convenient!  Hard to understand why they couldn't still investigate what happened internally.  End result:  No-one to apologise to, no-one to compensate.  The more that comes out the more staged the whole thing looks.

Edited February 1, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

51 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Eddie would be choking on the idea of paying compensation even more than trying to say s...o...r...r.......

 

Edit:  Jack Niall's report it-was-anything-but-a-proud-day-for-collingwood  says "...although it did not address Heritier Lumumba’s case, on the grounds that the 2010 premiership player had chosen not to play ball with the review".  Convenient!  Hard to understand why they couldn't still investigate what happened internally.  End result:  No-one to apologise to, no-one to compensate.  The more that comes out the more staged the whole thing looks.

I just wonder whether there was no apology yesterday because of legal advice Collingwood might have received. It wouldn't be the first time an organisation has avoided apologising in case such an apology gets used as an admission of guilt in a future compensation claim.

[Demonstone 19,041]

[ManDee 7,073]

4 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I just wonder whether there was no apology yesterday because of legal advice Collingwood might have received. It wouldn't be the first time an organisation has avoided apologising in case such an apology gets used as an admission of guilt in a future compensation claim.

I don't think so La D. You can say,(We are deeply sorry if anyone has been hurt or offended. We will endeavour to ensure that it never happens again.) This does not admit wrongdoing but serves as an apology of sorts.

[Lucifers Hero 36,973]

11 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I just wonder whether there was no apology yesterday because of legal advice Collingwood might have received. It wouldn't be the first time an organisation has avoided apologising in case such an apology gets used as an admission of guilt in a future compensation claim.

Yes, I was alluding to avoiding compensation claims.

That Murphy said the report didn't mean the people were racist, well I'm not sure how he explains the 'systemic racism' it if isn't by the people.  His comment means there were no perpetrators so no-one can be held to account (or sued).  No specific cases investigated so no names of who the victims of 'systemic racism' were so no-one can take legal action against them.  

Which all means no compensation to be made.

That whole sh..show had all the hallmarks of deny, deny, deny. 

As an aside has anyone seen what any of the 18 recommendations are? 

Edited February 1, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

[Clintosaurus 6,394]

10 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

My favourite tweet was this one...

The only way this presser could've been even worse, is if it was booked at Four Seasons Total Landscaping.

Do you think they were 'shocked to be here'?

[buck_nekkid 5,457]

An atrocious response.  Completely tone deaf, and is an astounding real-time demonstration of the problem that they have. No apology, ownership, contrition at all.  Trying to essentially say ‘it’s an industry problem and we should get special marks for noticing it first’ is a disgraceful cop out.

When the report says individuals have been harmed, this response is morally, ethically and socially unacceptable.

Mrs Nekkid said “in the TV reports they didnt even interview a non Anglo player” - i had to let Mrs B down gently that Collingwood have none of these at the moment. (But maybe some of them like chinese food?).  Imagine if Nev had gone there - would have been wheeled out as the token indigenous player to carry the can.  Thank god he stayed, he deserves much better than that.

Eddie is posturing for Eddie.  He is doing great harm to CFC.  

[sue 8,402]

15 hours ago, faultydet said:

The person writing the report is exceptionally biased, to the point of being racist. No surprises that "institutional racism" was found by someone who complains about it for a living.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.  Could you explain why C'wood would have chosen such a notorious biased person to do the review? 

[Bates Mate 3,816]

Just heard the CEO on Sen with a token kinda apology which seemed more about resetting the narrative painting Collingwood as misunderstood and protecting their position that the report is in no way an admission of guilt in the pending Lamumba case

 https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=785661

 

[Smokey 4,112]

12 minutes ago, sue said:

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.  Could you explain why C'wood would have chosen such a notorious biased person to do the review? 

I'd go with a laugh, because thankfully ignorant views such at those here who are suggesting racism is a fictitious creation of the left are few and far between on this forum. 

[Lucifers Hero 36,973]

21 minutes ago, Bates Mate said:

Just heard the CEO on Sen with a token kinda apology which seemed more about resetting the narrative painting Collingwood as misunderstood and protecting their position that the report is in no way an admission of guilt in the pending Lamumba case

 https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=785661

That further supports my view that the report and Eddie's narrative is to avoid responsibility/admission of guilt/compensation.

Deny! Deny! Deny!

[nosoupforme 3,085]

Eddie said at the conference that today is a proud day for Collingwood .   What is the proud day Collingwood? 

Where is the remorse Eddie?    You just don't get it.

[binman 37,720]

6 hours ago, John Demonic said:

I popped on sports day to enjoy some schadenfreude, but all I heard was Gerard Healy questioning how there could be systemic racism because Eddie and Buckley n others there have such gentle giving hearts. Gross to hear one of The boys club that works with him spouting that rubbish, so conflicted and ignorant. Not many in the AFL media prepared to actually go hard because they walk the same aisles.

The term the 'boy's club' seemingly  refers to the idea  jobs goes to 'good blokes' who are connected and that those in the club ALWYAS have each other's back.

It seems to me in Melbourne (and perhaps Australia) the 'boys club' also incorporates the powerful network of private school boys where  power is jealously guarded. 

But it seems that more often than not the term 'boys club', whilst it is usually used as a criticism, it is almost always a pretty weak criticism. (not saying that's how you are using it JD). That's to say it is used to explain a scenario (like Healy reflexively defending Eddie) but that's are far as it goes in terms of critiquing the poisonous impact of the concept.

But really the 'boy's club (which might as well be called the white anglo boys club) is at the heart of issues such a systemic racism and systemic gender inequality. It is rife in Australian business and even more so in our big sporting codes. With the AFL it infects the clubs, the AFL (polo anyone, or perhaps drinks at the Warrnambool carnival?) and the media that reports on it.

And the motto of The Boys Club?

Status Quo

[Lucifers Hero 36,973]

1 hour ago, buck_nekkid said:

Eddie is posturing for Eddie.  He is doing great harm to CFC.  

He can't see through his self preservation obsession.  He is closer to this:

[Lucifers Hero 36,973]

11 minutes ago, binman said:

The term the 'boy's club' seemingly  refers to the idea  jobs goes to 'good blokes' who are connected and that those in the club ALWYAS have each other's back.

It seems to me in Melbourne (and perhaps Australia) the 'boys club' also incorporates the powerful network of private school boys where  power is jealously guarded. 

But it seems that more often than not the term 'boys club', whilst it is usually used as a criticism, it is almost always a pretty weak criticism. (not saying that's how you are using it JD). That's to say it is used to explain a scenario (like Healy reflexively defending Eddie) but that's are far as it goes in terms of critiquing the poisonous impact of the concept.

But really the 'boy's club (which might as well be called the white anglo boys club) is at the heart of issues such a systemic racism and systemic gender inequality. It is rife in Australian business and even more so in our big sporting codes. With the AFL it infects the clubs, the AFL (polo anyone, or perhaps drinks at the Warrnambool carnival?) and the media that reports on it.

And the motto of The Boys Club?

Status Quo

That might be how it started but it permeates through all of society.  'Jobs for the Boys' is a variation of the theme.  As is 'nepotism'. 

Edited February 1, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

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