Review Finds Collingwood Guilty of Systemic Racism

[Lord Nev 13,511]

Missed a few minutes of the presser while on a phone call, but from what I heard there wasn't any kind of apology to the people who have suffered due to the systemic racism the report is about. Wasn't part of the report about how Collingwood doesn't own up to things and tries to spin them in the media? Clearly, they still have learned nothing.

 

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

So they accept all 18 recommendations.  Great on the face of it. 

But, will they implement them.  It takes determination and a will to change to do so.  The report is by external advisors.  Lets see what the internal people do.  Put the report on a shelf and let it gather dust?

The cfc response so far seems like lip-service.

I doubt they even have the right people to implement the sort of culture change required to implement the recommendations.

[old dee 22,809]

3 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

So they accept all 18 recommendations.  Great on the face of it. 

But, will they implement them.  It takes determination and a will to change to do so.  The report is by external advisors.  Lets see what the internal people do.  Put the report on a shelf and let it gather dust?

The cfc response so far seems like lip-service.

I doubt they even have the right people to implement the sort of culture change required to implement the recommendations.

Who is lifting the carpet and has the broom LH? 

[Dr. Gonzo 22,399]

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

That report is damming. The Filth were anti racist and inclusive only when the media were involved 

Eddie thought his King Kong comment was hilarious ? 

Should have been stripped of all his positions on that day

It's not just racism either, its the culture of the organisation and racism is only one aspect. Look at the way they tried to protect Shaw/Didak/Swan/Sidebottom (accidentally walked out the front door looking for the toilet ? ) etc when they were involved in off the field incidents. Look at the comments made by Eddie and the other Triple M boofheads about Caroline Wilson when the Big Freeze was on a few years back. Its a toxic culture all round (not saying its different from other clubs but its more transparent as their Pres is in the media all the time and often putting his foot in his mouth).

[Dr. Gonzo 22,399]

3 hours ago, jnrmac said:

A report written by  activist lawyer Larissa Behrendt finds systemic racism. Color me shocked.

I'm shocked that Collingwood used such a divisive commentator to write a report for them. What were they expecting?

Behrendt once described fellow indigenous commentator, Bess Price, on twitter in disgraceful  terms:

"I watched a show where a guy had sex with a horse and I'm sure it was less offensive than Bess Price."

 

Charming

jnrmac trying to undermine the findings of the report by attacking the character of the author, why am I not surprised? Did you learn other tricks from Sky News or just this one?

[binman 37,768]

1 hour ago, Axis of Bob said:

Eddie doesn't get it.

These quotes from Eddy further make your point  AOB:

• 'If we were found wanting in the past' 

The past? - At the same presser, Peter Murphy, a member of the Collingwood integrity committee said though Collingwood has improved in some areas 'they 'still have a long way to go'.

• 'we’re not a racist club'

Isn't that precisely what the report's finding is?

• About Lumumba: “What we want to do more than anything is put our arms around him and take the heat out of this constant race debate.”

Code for make it all this yucky business go away. 

What 'we want'? Lumumba has made it crystal clear that he doesn't want them to put their 'arms around him'. How typically patronizing. He doesn't want to be mollified. Or comforted like a toddler who has stubbed his toe. He is angry. And people are uncomfortable with that.

What about acknowledging what Lumumba wants - addressing the systemic racism at the CFC. 

Take the heat out of this constant race debate? Really? Take the heat out? Read dismiss it and hide all this unpleasantness away.

Constant race debate? Poor old Eddie, the constant desire for some people to constantly bang on about race and racism must be so tiring. Um Eddie,  i don't want to be the bearer of bad news but the annoying little race debate 'ain't going anywhere soon, as much as you and your ilk would love it to.  

For someone who makes living in the media Eddie is remarkably poor at communicating messages -  or hiding his true colors. 

Never has the phrase 'part of the problem, not part of the solution' been more apt.

 

Edited February 1, 2021 by binman

[Dr. Gonzo 22,399]

1 hour ago, deespicable me said:

It's interesting but a few on here are showing the same instincts as the racist attitudes that the report is trying to recognize and change. To label Collingwood supporters in such a manner has the same roots as racism. And before anyone gets too excited I do the same myself. 

I sort of stopped labelling people when I got sick of the "get in your Range Rover and head off to the snow" comments. But I love the comedy that belittles the typical pies supporter so it's hard to change but I'm pretty sure it's the comedy and throw away lines that the indigenous players are sick off.

I'm pretty sure if you reflect on it you'll understand why this is a poor comparison.

[The Chazz 4,077]

15 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

So they accept all 18 recommendations.  Great on the face of it. 

But, will they implement them.  It takes determination and a will to change to do so.  The report is by external advisors.  Lets see what the internal people do.  Put the report on a shelf and let it gather dust?

The cfc response so far seems like lip-service.

I doubt they even have the right people to implement the sort of culture change required to implement the recommendations.

I heard they bought an old desk off Cameron Schwab.  Presuming it will be placed in one of the drawers...

[Grr-owl 1,075]

27 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Behrendt's stupid slur against Bess Price came at a particularly low moment for the Indigenous community, and particularly the NT one.

The 'Intervention' had just commenced and the bitterness over it was palpable and there was a painful divide in the Indigenous community.  On the one hand, people such as Price (coincidentally, from Yuendumu which we all recognise) were coming from a perspective of desperate need for major action to change the violence and abuse in many remote communities.  On the other hand there were many Indigenous people who saw a very familiar pattern where those communities had been left to rot, excluded, and not even provided the most basic services all Australians expect, and then when the inevitable crisis came the intervention stepped in and said, "You Aboriginal people can't take care of yourselves, so we're taking control."  Many of these communities had been the front line of the Stolen Generations and the 'orphanage' system which proceeded along much the same lines, so the horror was palpable.

Then, on the particular show that prompted Behrendt's tweet, Price made a bunch of pretty obnoxious comments basically saying various other Aboriginal people weren't really Aboriginal, and just stooges for chardonnay-sipping socialists etc etc.  It was all pretty ignominious.

I'm not really defending Behrendt's tweet because at the same time that it is understandable to be emotional and impulsively angry in that moment, it is also even more important to restrain it. 

In general, she is a recognised expert in the field, a highly qualified and experienced lawyer, and also only one of two people handling the review.

Also, Collingwood picked her.

The important point here is; the legitimacy of the report is not diminished by one crappy tweet made by one of its authors nine years ago.  Let that one go.

 

 

Yeah, well said. The author's identity may bias the outcome; then again it may not. In any case, what matters is the evidence. Take identity out of it, all previous tweets and tv appearances, everything, and answer the question: What conclusions can be drawn from the evidence? 

[old dee 22,809]

12 minutes ago, binman said:

These quotes from Eddy further make your point  AOB:

• 'If we were found wanting in the past' 

The past? - At the same presser, Peter Murphy, a member of the Collingwood integrity committee said though Collingwood has improved in some areas 'they 'still have a long way to go'.

• 'we’re not a racist club'

Isn't that precisely what the report's finding is?

• About Lumumba: “What we want to do more than anything is put our arms around him and take the heat out of this constant race debate.”

Code for make it all this yucky business go away. 

What 'we want'? Lumumba has made it crystal clear that he doesn't want them to put their 'arms around him'. How typically patronizing. He doesn't want to be mollified. Or comforted like a toddler who has stubbed his toe. He is angry. And people are uncomfortable with that.

What about acknowledging what Lumumba wants - addressing the systemic racism at the CFC. 

Take the heat out of this constant race debate? Really? Take the heat out? Read dismiss it and hide all this unpleasantness away.

Constant race debate? Poor old Eddie, the constant desire for some people to constantly bang on about race and racism must be so tiring. Um Eddie,  i don't want to be the bearer of bad news but the annoying little race debate 'ain't going anywhere soon, as much as you and your ilk would love it to.  

For someone who makes living in the media Eddie is remarkably poor at communicating messages -  or hiding his true colors. 

Never has the phrase 'part of the problem, not part of the solution' been more apt.

 

I have to say binman you and aob  are correct he is sadly part of the problem not the solution. He should be stood down after today. Just does not get it. 

[Cards13 9,117]

9 minutes ago, binman said:

These quotes from Eddy further make your point  AOB:

• 'If we were found wanting in the past' 

The past? - At the same presser, Peter Murphy, a member of the Collingwood integrity committee said though Collingwood has improved in some areas 'they 'still have a long way to go'.

• 'we’re not a racist club'

Isn't that precisely what the report's finding is?

• About Lumumba: “What we want to do more than anything is put our arms around him and take the heat out of this constant race debate.”

Code for make it all this yucky business go away. 

What 'we want'? Lumumba has made it crystal clear that he doesn't want them to put their 'arms around him'. How typically patronizing. He doesn't want to be mollified. Or comforted like a toddler who has stubbed his toe. He is angry. And people are uncomfortable with that.

What about acknowledging what Lumumba wants - addressing the systemic racism at the CFC. 

Take the heat out of this constant race debate? Really? Take the heat out? Dismiss it and hide all this unpleasantness away.

Constant race debate? Poor old Eddie, the constant desire for some people to constantly bang on about race and racism must be so tiring. Um Eddie,  i don't want to be the bearer of bad news but the annoying little race debate 'ain't going anywhere soon, as much as you and your ilk would love it to.  

For someone who makes living in the media Eddie is remarkably poor at communicating messages -  or hiding his true colors. 

Never has the phrase 'part of the problem, not part of the solution' been more apt.

 

Take the heat out of the race debate where you’ve had a report LEAKED (I think this is a point most are missing, the Pies hid this) delivered that says your club is systematically racist... ok mate. 

[In Harmes Way 7,477]

“I’m proud of our club for having the courage, and our board for accepting the recommendations. It is a landmark day.”

“I don't think there’s any shame or disappointment here ... this is a day of pride.”

He's so proud that this is only being discussed publicly after the report was leaked a month after receipt by the board. Not exactly getting in front of the problem IMHO

[Sir Why You Little 34,407]

What a strange Press Conference 

McGuire seriously does not get it. HL was hung out to dry for years before he left, as just one example 

Adam Goodes wants nothing to do with him..for good reason, this is on you Eddie, your Club still has the same attitudes as when McAlister was in charge 

He has to leave today. 
it is disgraceful 

[Axis of Bob 10,165]

19 minutes ago, binman said:

Isn't that precisely what the report's finding is?

• About Lumumba: “What we want to do more than anything is put our arms around him and take the heat out of this constant race debate.”

That's probably the worst of the lot. He's making out like he's also a victim of "this constant race debate". You're not a victim, you've just presided over a culture of systemic racism of which Lumumba was a prominent victim. 

I agree that Lumumba didn't stand up against the racism to be placated about "the constant race debate", he did it because the club culture was racist and he wanted concrete change to that culture. It's clear, based on this, that he was never going to be able to change the culture by working in house. He needed to create the race debate at the club, and the reason that this debate has been ongoing is because the club was too busy telling itself that it wasn't racist rather than addressing the problems like Lumumba wanted in the first place. 

If you throw your arms around an employee that does a knee or loses a close relative then you'll be appreciated. If you throw your arms around the person who has suffered directly from your behaviour then you'll be rightly told to f### off. Imagine being consoled by the person who just king hit you on the street ..... pretty galling and blatantly transparent. 

Eddie clearly doesn't understand the report or what the intent of it is. He's trying to save his reputation, but these are the desperate throes of a dying man. For this to work, he needs to get out of the way so that the club has the space to make real change. 

Edited February 1, 2021 by Axis of Bob

[Cards13 9,117]

2 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

That's probably the worst of the lot. He's making out like he's also a victim of "this constant race debate". You're not a victim, you've just presided over a culture of systemic racism of which Lumumba was a prominent victim. 

I agree that Lumumba didn't stand up against the racism to be placated about "the constant race debate", he did it because the club culture was racist and he wanted concrete change to that culture. It's clear, based on this, that he was never going to be able to change the culture by working in house. He needed to create the race debate at the club, and the reason that this debate has been ongoing is because the club was too busy telling itself that it wasn't racist rather than addressing the problems like Lumumba wanted in the first place. 

If you throw your arms around an employee that does a knee or loses a close relative then you'll be appreciated. If you throw your arms around the person who has suffered directly from your behaviour then you'll be rightly told to f### off. Imagine being consoled by the person who just king hit you on the street ..... pretty galling and blatantly transparent. 

Eddie clearly doesn't understand the report or what the intent of it is. He's trying to save his reputation, but these are the desperate throes of a dying man. For this to work, he needs to get out of the way so that the club has the space to make real change. 

The club appears to be letting McGuire do just that.

[rjay 23,860]

3 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

“I’m proud of our club for having the courage, and our board for accepting the recommendations. It is a landmark day.”

“I don't think there’s any shame or disappointment here ... this is a day of pride.”

He's so proud that this is only being discussed publicly after the report was leaked a month after receipt by the board. Not exactly getting in front of the problem IMHO

 

3 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Take the heat out of the race debate where you’ve had a report LEAKED (I think this is a point most are missing, the Pies hid this) delivered that says your club is systematically racist... ok mate. 

Yes Eddie it is a proud day that you didn't have the courage to present the report and sat on it for over a month.

It had to be leaked.

Wow, I can't believe he said this.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 5,788]

55 minutes ago, AshleyH30 said:

I can not for the life of me fathom how the board thought it would be a good idea to come out the spin the report like that. It's now become untenable and the hounds will be barking much louder. Might as well as signed their death warrants on the way out, I can't see Eddie lasting much longer.

On a side note, Warnie would be proud if he could get that much spin back in his day.

The presser was an absolute disgrace, gave the impression they were actually unveiling a new project of sorts.

Laughable.

[Sir Why You Little 34,407]

How can it be a Proud day when the entire report was hidden for over a month Eddie???

You are so full of it. Hopefully the Media, which employs you, will now tear you down. 
time to go Eddie...

That press conference was your last piece of rubbish 

[old dee 22,809]

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

How can it be a Proud day when the entire report was hidden for over a month Eddie???

You are so full of it. Hopefully the Media, which employs you, will now tear you down. 
time to go Eddie...

That press conference was your last piece of rubbish 

Sadly I doubt it is SWYL.

[Sir Why You Little 34,407]

27 minutes ago, old dee said:

Sadly I doubt it is SWYL.

It has to be. He has got to go

The AFL need to step in. The Media has not taken this the way McGuire was hoping. They are ripping in as we speak 

[BDA 19,978]

The response by Eddie to this report vindicates entirely the whole thrust of the report namely:

1.       Eddie has too much influence and no-one at the club is prepared to challenge him

2.       Bury the report rather than show true leadership

3.       Spin like crazy when the leak occurs because more interested in protecting the brand

Collingwood had a golden opportunity to admit to past failings, commit to change and perhaps even forge a path that other clubs and institutes could follow. If they had done that I would have commended them. Instead, because no-one there has the gumption to stand up to Eddie they have dug a bigger hole for themselves and compounded matters.

I love watching Collingwood squirm but in this instance the issue transcends tribalism. I can’t believe the board at one of the biggest sporting clubs in Australia has stuffed this up so badly. Another missed opportunity to start the process of genuine reconciliation that this country badly needs.

[faultydet 7,593]

3 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

This is absolute rubbish. The person facilitating the report is exceptionally qualified to do so.

Pathetic comment.

The person writing the report is exceptionally biased, to the point of being racist. No surprises that "institutional racism" was found by someone who complains about it for a living.

[pitmaster 3,052]

I like to think we have moved beyond where this report places the Collingwood crew. Melbourne was one of the first clubs - Essendon might have beaten us to it - to have an indigenous premiership player: Eddie Jackson in 1948. But I know there were some regrettable slurs thrown at Aboriginal players at the MFC during the 1980s and 1990s, all so-called  "good humour" that would be seen as shameful today.

None of us is immune. Let's hope Bartlett and Goodwin are on to it.

As for the Pies, Eddie is clearly a big part of the problem, a boofhead who thinks he can joke his way out of anything. Seeing this report he might just be tempted to try to stay on to repair his reputation and enhance the legacy. 

[Diamond_Jim 11,676]

so the Collingwood line is that no individual at Collingwood is racist but the process is open  to racism.

Sounds like ...... the usual response

[Grr-owl 1,075]

30 minutes ago, faultydet said:

The person writing the report is exceptionally biased, to the point of being racist. No surprises that "institutional racism" was found by someone who complains about it for a living.

Even if the author is biased, the racism could still exist. The report should be judged by the evidence, not the identity of the author.

If the conclusions are credibly drawn from the evidence, the report is right. If the conclusions are erroneously drawn from the evidence, it is bollocks.