Patton allegations

[58er 5,607]

4 hours ago, hemingway said:

No it’s not, he’s a footballer. 

Footballers and immature and bad behaviour go hand in hand. Familiar bedfellows. 

No that's not even close to any truth.

Ths same could be Said for a lawyer plumber nurse or student or D/L er!!!
JP is singled out because he is in the gold fish bowl.

Our coaches are just the same as the population With marriage problems.

Unfortunately it's not a very wise way to seek some Express tlc or salvation shopping yourself around during a pandemic!

If this is what's happening at " The Family Club" then there is no help for the other 17 Clubs!

[Lucifers Hero 36,991]

If he was 'flashing' himself in real life he would be charged with 'indecent exposure'.  Do it often enough to the same person and there would be an IVO on him.  Unsolicited indecent exposure on the internet should still be a crime .

On some reports this has been constant behaviour by him for a long time.  It sounds really gross.

Apparently he has deleted his social media accounts.  Not sure if this means his shenanigans cannot be traced.  Or if the Hawks 'integrity' investigation would even be willing to check the trail with the internet platforms.  All to convenient.  I can see a result of not enough evidence, some counselling and all move on. 

The AFL would certainly be pushing for a sweep-it-under-the-carpet.  That seems to be the result of many complaints/issues even when police are involved.

If a white-wash is the result it is terrible standard setting by the Hawks and the AFL. 

Edited January 11, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

[old dee 22,848]

16 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

If he was 'flashing' himself in real life he would be charged with 'indecent exposure'.  Do it often enough to the same person and there would be an IVO on him.  Unsolicited indecent exposure on the internet should still be a crime .

On some reports this has been constant behaviour by him for a long time.  It sounds really gross.

Apparently he has deleted his social media accounts.  Not sure if this means his shenanigans cannot be traced.  Or if the Hawks 'integrity' investigation would even be willing to check the trail with the internet platforms.  All to convenient.  I can see a result of not enough evidence, some counselling and all move on. 

The AFL would certainly be pushing for a sweep-it-under-the-carpet.  That seems to be the result of many complaints/issues even when police are involved.

If a white-wash is the result it is terrible standard setting by the Hawks and the AFL. 

This is a test for both LH. Until proven otherwise I have faith in JK and the Hawks. Let’s see how it pans out. Anything less than a big suspension will leave the “family club”moto in ruins. 

[Lucifers Hero 36,991]

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

This is a test for both LH. Until proven otherwise I have faith in JK and the Hawks. Let’s see how it pans out. Anything less than a big suspension will leave the “family club”moto in ruins. 

JK?

I wish I had as much faith, od.  Hawks investigating themselves can only serve to protect their own self interest.  Not sure it would be much different if the AFL investigated.

There is reason to think Patton's behaviour is not an isolated incident with AFL players so I would agree a big suspension is required to set a standard and send a message to others.  Will wait and see.

[old dee 22,848]

3 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

JK?

I wish I had as much faith, od.  Hawks investigating themselves can only serve to protect their own self interest.  Not sure it would be much different if the AFL investigated.

There is reason to think Patton's behaviour is not an isolated incident with AFL players so I would agree a big suspension is required to set a standard and send a message to others.  Will wait and see.

Jeff Kennet. Agree LH I am giving them the chance to show that they can walk the walk as they have done plenty of talking over the years.

[Damo 2,988]

Alastair Clarkson is quite old fashioned in his view of relationships and respect for women. JP couldnt have had a less sympathetic coach. Cant see this ending well.

[TRIGON 4,715]

16 hours ago, demonstone said:

It would appear that General Patton has a Major Problem with his Private Parts.

Would Hawthorn consider Corporal Punishment?

Maybe, does that depend upon whether he was 'standing at attention' or 'at ease'?

[poita 3,573]

I'm in no way condoning Patton's behaviour, but I hope that all those laughing at Hawthorn's current situation are prepared for this story to expand in other directions. There is no way that he is the only listed AFL player to be acting in this manner.

[pitmaster 3,059]

5 hours ago, Damo said:

Alastair Clarkson is quite old fashioned in his view of relationships and respect for women. JP couldnt have had a less sympathetic coach. Cant see this ending well.

If it were left to Kennett and the Hawthorn club, the deciding factor I think would be how his rehab was going, how positive his preparation was and how much future on-field value they saw in him. But with Clarko, I tend to agree with you that he would let his standards rule. JP must be very nervous waiting to see how the allegations stand up.

[Undeeterred 2,839]

What an absolute clown.

There's just no excuse for this kind of nonsense. 

[Damo 2,988]

Last time I saw him play he strained his groin or upper thigh and broke down in tears (as he knew he would miss last couple of games) for at least 5 minutes. He then kept telling the Hawk doctor/trainer who was walking with him to repeatedly F* off. I may be wrong but that is my recollection of events. Im glad we dont have him.

[Fork 'em 6,507]

Kids these days.

 

[TRIGON 4,715]

3 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Kids these days.

 

To be fair it must be very confusing for this former Giant, after-all the Cerne Abbas Giant has been getting away with it for centuries.

[BDA 20,032]

His behaviour has been roundly denounced and far enough too.

But you do have to wonder about the blokes state of mind. Either he has a gargantuan sense of entitlement (quite possible) or he’s not thinking straight. I mean how could anyone be so oblivious to the obvious consequences of these actions? Apart from possibly ending his career he will be an object of scorn and ridicule as the posts in this thread bear out.

Not trying to make excuses but his career has been blighted by injury and frustration. Who knows what mental demons drove this bizarre behaviour? Maybe he needs a shrink and some professional help rather than blanket condemnation.

[Neil Crompton 4,716]

5 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

His behaviour has been roundly denounced and far enough too.

But you do have to wonder about the blokes state of mind. Either he has a gargantuan sense of entitlement (quite possible) or he’s not thinking straight. I mean how could anyone be so oblivious to the obvious consequences of these actions? Apart from possibly ending his career he will be an object of scorn and ridicule as the posts in this thread bear out.

Not trying to make excuses but his career has been blighted by injury and frustration. Who knows what mental demons drove this bizarre behaviour? Maybe he needs a shrink and some professional help rather than blanket condemnation.

In my opinion BDA, he deserves all the "blanket condemnation" he gets! He probably also needs professional help, but I'm sick of hearing "excuses" offered for anyone who thinks its acceptable to demean women - not to mention embarrassing his club, his family and least of all himself. Being an [censored] (as he must surely be given all the education all AFL players receive) does not excuse what he has allegedly done. I'd have no hesitation in sacking him if guilty. 

[Pates 9,536]

20 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

His behaviour has been roundly denounced and far enough too.

But you do have to wonder about the blokes state of mind. Either he has a gargantuan sense of entitlement (quite possible) or he’s not thinking straight. I mean how could anyone be so oblivious to the obvious consequences of these actions? Apart from possibly ending his career he will be an object of scorn and ridicule as the posts in this thread bear out.

Not trying to make excuses but his career has been blighted by injury and frustration. Who knows what mental demons drove this bizarre behaviour? Maybe he needs a shrink and some professional help rather than blanket condemnation.

Unfortunately BDA this is most certainly not something that’s confined to the bubble of a footballer with entitlement issues or the state of mind of a bloke. This is something that is extremely common for women/girls that have public social media/chat accounts. Many of my female friends who have social media accounts and online dating profiles have had it happen to them several times  

I agree with @Lucifer's Herothat of this was in the public he would have the book thrown at him and with regular behaviour probably be put on the SO registry. The law is so far behind when it comes to sharing/sending content over the internet. Teenage girls can get done for creating/distribution of underage pornography by sending a picture to a boyfriend, what should someone get for repeatedly sending pictures of his dong without consent?

[Mazer Rackham 14,969]

 

3 hours ago, Damo said:

Last time I saw him play he strained his groin or upper thigh and broke down in tears (as he knew he would miss last couple of games) 

Maybe it was because it would interrupt his posting regime?

 

3 hours ago, Damo said:

He then kept telling the Hawk doctor/trainer who was walking with him to repeatedly F* off.

That Patton. Always thinking about sex. Jesus!

[BDA 20,032]

1 hour ago, Neil Crompton said:

In my opinion BDA, he deserves all the "blanket condemnation" he gets! He probably also needs professional help, but I'm sick of hearing "excuses" offered for anyone who thinks its acceptable to demean women - not to mention embarrassing his club, his family and least of all himself. Being an [censored] (as he must surely be given all the education all AFL players receive) does not excuse what he has allegedly done. I'd have no hesitation in sacking him if guilty. 

 

1 hour ago, Pates said:

Unfortunately BDA this is most certainly not something that’s confined to the bubble of a footballer with entitlement issues or the state of mind of a bloke. This is something that is extremely common for women/girls that have public social media/chat accounts. Many of my female friends who have social media accounts and online dating profiles have had it happen to them several times  

I agree with @Lucifer's Herothat of this was in the public he would have the book thrown at him and with regular behaviour probably be put on the SO registry. The law is so far behind when it comes to sharing/sending content over the internet. Teenage girls can get done for creating/distribution of underage pornography by sending a picture to a boyfriend, what should someone get for repeatedly sending pictures of his dong without consent?

I’m obviously not up to speed with what the youngsters are up to these days (and I’m not sure I want to know tbh). Didn’t realise this was widespread practice.

If he’s an entitled ahole then throw the book at him. If he has been threatening, aggressive or abusive then he deserves criminal charges and a day in court.

If he’s mentally unwell then get him the help he needs.

[Cards13 9,117]

2 hours ago, Better days ahead said:

His behaviour has been roundly denounced and far enough too.

But you do have to wonder about the blokes state of mind. Either he has a gargantuan sense of entitlement (quite possible) or he’s not thinking straight. I mean how could anyone be so oblivious to the obvious consequences of these actions? Apart from possibly ending his career he will be an object of scorn and ridicule as the posts in this thread bear out.

Not trying to make excuses but his career has been blighted by injury and frustration. Who knows what mental demons drove this bizarre behaviour? Maybe he needs a shrink and some professional help rather than blanket condemnation.

Condemnation, is that all? If it was in “public” he’d be charged and convicted with a sex crime. Why is this any different, if the ladies in question didn’t ask for a pic like he allegedly sent?

[Brayshaw Self 847]

Hasn't had a good time at the Hawks at all.

He really got off on the wrong foot......................

[spirit of norm smith 12,890]

Another wake up call to all young blokes.
 

Social media. Be very very very very careful. 
 

Respect for all women always  

 

Get some perspective on reality and by the way young men, let your brain override your p&$#%s. 

[Lucifers Hero 36,991]

On 1/12/2021 at 8:39 AM, old dee said:

This is a test for both LH. Until proven otherwise I have faith in JK and the Hawks. Let’s see how it pans out. Anything less than a big suspension will leave the “family club”moto in ruins. 

Your faith may be justified od.  HS website caption is reporting Hawks have referred allegations to AFL's Integrity Unit.  Can't see the whole article as it is behind the paywall but the referral suggests it is serious and penalty goes beyond a mere rap-over-the-knuckles. 

Or, maybe they are looking for a political way out that 'manages the optics' and ensures precedents aren't being set...maybe they learnt Patton isn't the only player to behave so grossly.

Edited January 12, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

[Cards13 9,117]

42 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Another wake up call to all young blokes.
 

Social media. Be very very very very careful. 
 

Respect for all women always  

 

Get some perspective on reality and by the way young men, let your brain override your p&$#%s. 

It's not just social media, just respect woman/people in all aspects of your life. Him being a [censored] on socials leads me to believe he'd be the same in how he deals with all woman/people in all aspects of his day to day behind the image he portrays. 

[hemingway 7,589]

3 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I don't wish to seem churlish chook but I take great pride in my sniggering schoolboy toilet humour and ,consequently, feel some umbrage at your claim to producing "superior" smut.

But Uncle, I have always been led to believe that schoolboys grow up and become adults and use adult humour. Did you miss an important developmental stage? 

 

[ProperDee 1,698]

4 hours ago, chook fowler said:

I bow to the Master

But for God's sake Chook, don't take your eyes off him when you do!