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You can't teach tough.

Yes, no matter what happens vs North I would drop McDonald and bring in the Weid. Its inevitable that McDonald falls apart soon, we should get in ahead of that happening.


The Weid will learn something out of the great man. JB has the knowhow and will definitely give him some vital tips and strategies

Lets hope this could be the making of the Weid,  He certainly has the talent.

 

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"Probably at a point of my carer where I really need to step up now"

Yep. I wasn't one of the posters who thought he was going to come on in leaps and bounds after 2018, but he is 12 months behind where I think he should be. Hope the pressure isn't getting too much for him. Hopefully Ben Brown will take a heap of pressure off of him and he can settle into his natural game. 

Hoping for Sammy to play 20 games this year and have 25+ goals.

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You can't teach tough.

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2 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

He should have learned that from his grandfather Murray who was a real mongrel in his day. 

Murray would surely be the only bloke who played a game of league footy on Saturday arvo and then wrestled at Festival

Hall that night

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This is a great initiative to get Jonathan Brown who was a champion player at the Brisbane Lions to impart his wisdom and teach Sam Weideman how to play properly as an AFL forward for the Demons.

I think one of Sam's biggest deficiencies has been lack of confidence. He needs to jump more for his marks no matter what is in his way and really focus on his goal kicking. Jonathan Brown will hopefully be a fine teacher for Sam and also teach him to toughen up a bit more.

 

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1 hour ago, Supreme_Demon said:

This is a great initiative to get Jonathan Brown who was a champion player at the Brisbane Lions to impart his wisdom and teach Sam Weideman how to play properly as an AFL forward for the Demons.

I think one of Sam's biggest deficiencies has been lack of confidence. He needs to jump more for his marks no matter what is in his way and really focus on his goal kicking. Jonathan Brown will hopefully be a fine teacher for Sam and also teach him to toughen up a bit more.

 

Brown played angry.

Weideman has (imo) played his most impactful footy when he attacks the ball like he hates it.

Need to reduce the gaps between those performances to become the player he should.

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7 hours ago, Ham said:

But you can unlock it. 

Hopefully that is what will happen.

 In the early years at MFC, he was scared.

Confidence and support could lead to courage.

His body is strong enough, skills are good, get his head in the right place.

Finding separation is also his Achilles heal. Seemed to always have an opponent or two in his space. Good that he recognises that. 

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Get him on the roids, so he can put on 10-15kg and get some angry in him if we want him to play like Jono Brown.

In all seriousness though, hopefully he can pass on some good advice to the young Weid.  It does beg a few questions for me though:

1. Is there a risk of Weid being advised and getting close to a key football personality who's not on our payroll?  Questions about where Brown's allegiances are for mine.

2.  How is it that it's gone this far in the Weid's career with us and he seems to feel like he has been lacking this kind of key forward mentoring that he needs to seek out his own mentor outside the club?

 

Anyways, hoping for a good year and hopefully the Weid works well in tandem and gets some real connection going between him and Big Ben Browwwn and they boot a ton of goals between themselves and our other forwards.

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1 hour ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Get him on the roids, so he can put on 10-15kg and get some angry in him if we want him to play like Jono Brown.

In all seriousness though, hopefully he can pass on some good advice to the young Weid.  It does beg a few questions for me though:

1. Is there a risk of Weid being advised and getting close to a key football personality who's not on our payroll?  Questions about where Brown's allegiances are for mine.

2.  How is it that it's gone this far in the Weid's career with us and he seems to feel like he has been lacking this kind of key forward mentoring that he needs to seek out his own mentor outside the club?

 

Anyways, hoping for a good year and hopefully the Weid works well in tandem and gets some real connection going between him and Big Ben Browwwn and they boot a ton of goals between themselves and our other forwards.

1.  A lot of ego involved I would think.  If Weid comes on Brown looks brilliant.  Brown is media not coaching, so it can boost his profile if it goes well.

2. He has been developed and coached.  2018 no one would have thought this was needed.  Now, something different might make an impact.  Sometimes going too early with this stuff can confuse a player.  Now without a specific full forward as coach, this is a cheap way to get good ideas into his head, give him a confidante.  He also has the experience of Ben Brown to work with, too.

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For the record, it is absolutely possible to train 'tough'. Hell, you can train people to be savage killers if you're willing to go that way.

More practically, it is absolutely possible to train people to keep their eyes on the ball when anticipating a collision, to initiate/respond to heavy body contact in a marking contest, or to hit a pack at speed in pursuit of a mark.

These things are decisions and habits that can be trained and provide something very close to 'toughness' even if you don't have Jonathan Brown's look like he's about to solo wrestle and haul out the mad ram that got into the home paddock again.

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13 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

For the record, it is absolutely possible to train 'tough'. Hell, you can train people to be savage killers if you're willing to go that way.

More practically, it is absolutely possible to train people to keep their eyes on the ball when anticipating a collision, to initiate/respond to heavy body contact in a marking contest, or to hit a pack at speed in pursuit of a mark.

These things are decisions and habits that can be trained and provide something very close to 'toughness' even if you don't have Jonathan Brown's look like he's about to solo wrestle and haul out the mad ram that got into the home paddock again.

Prime example would be David Neitz. I reckon in the 2nd half of his career he turned his training mentality to become one of the aggressive power forwards of the game. Would crash packs and go in to bat for his teammates. Russell Robertson and Jeff Farmer have been on record to say they always walked taller when big Neita was around the area.

Weid lacks that. In fact I doubt there would be any defenders in the league that fear playing on him. Weideman is a nice fella, but its time to get some ruthless and aggression in his game if he needs to take the next step forward. 

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I think positioning and not getting enough easy ball are far bigger problems for Weid than toughness or presence.

The lack of reliable second option meant he had to be up the ground, and the game plan to get goal side for long bombs to the square left him sprinting deep.

The Jackson - Weid combo worked briefly before Jacko went down. Personally I’d rather stick with that but the Brown-Weid combo should be able to produce similar results. 
 

But part of that is Weid finding easy ball when he’s up the ground or even leading inside 50. Add a couple of uncontested marks each game and another half a goal a week and he’s right up with the best forwards. 

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19 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I think positioning and not getting enough easy ball are far bigger problems for Weid than toughness or presence.

The lack of reliable second option meant he had to be up the ground, and the game plan to get goal side for long bombs to the square left him sprinting deep.

The Jackson - Weid combo worked briefly before Jacko went down. Personally I’d rather stick with that but the Brown-Weid combo should be able to produce similar results. 
 

But part of that is Weid finding easy ball when he’s up the ground or even leading inside 50. Add a couple of uncontested marks each game and another half a goal a week and he’s right up with the best forwards. 

I rate your footy acumen Deespencer but with Weideman you seem to be able to see things in his game that I’m unable to. 
The recruitment of Brown you were dead against and went as far to say it will send Weideman back to the VFL. 
If it’s only a couple of uncontested grabs and half a goal between becoming one of the best forwards or battling at Casey - what am I missing?

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