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Geelong swap a 2021 3rd round pick (tied to Melbourne) to GCS for their pick 27.

So Geelong clean up on another 'unbalanced' swap with GCS.

I noticed their are some Geelong Falcon players in the 20 - 30 draft range.  I wonder if one of them is on our radar - they will choose before our pick 28.

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12 hours ago, goodoil said:

That trade just should not be ticked off by the AFL!

Agreed.  It seems GCS and Geelong have a cosy thing happening with the AFL.

In 2018 the FA 'secret herbs and spices' gave pick 19 to Geelong for Motlop to enable the trade to GCS so Gary Ablett could get 'Home'.  Eyebrows were raised over that little sequence.

Then last year there was the outrageous Live pick swap of:  Geelong 2019 pick 27 for GCS's 2021 pick 11 and its 2019 pick 64.  The AFL conveniently turned a blind eye to that highway robbery.  Raised eyebrows over that one was an understatement.

Now we have the latest swap where Geelong get #27 for a 2021, 3rd round pick (tied to mfc) that is likely to be pick 40-50 next year.

It seems anything goes to help GCS but Geelong seem to be the beneficiary each time (friends in high (AFL) places, perhaps).  Yes, I know that is cynical but...

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18 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Agreed.  It seems GCS and Geelong have a cosy thing happening with the AFL.

Steve Hocking would be the answer to that. Just as the Competition Committee has too many Geelong people on it.

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54 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Steve Hocking would be the answer to that. Just as the Competition Committee has too many Geelong people on it.

Hence the reference in the last line of my post of Geelong 'friends in high (AFL) places'.  I was trying not to name names.

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With all the handouts GC just don't value their draft picks as much as others. Geelong the beneficiary on a the last few occasions. Other clubs could have also made offers though.  Lucky thing for all of us that GWS made them pay for Cameron. 

The academy bidding system/NGA points ect has provided the opportunity for some dead set 'rorts' of trades. The sooner they fix this the better but we need to remember we did quite well in our trade with Freo last year to allow them to get ahead of a bid. We swapped 8 for 10 and 28. 

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To summarise the latest changes -

Geelong has added to its 2020 draft hand via a trade with the Gold Coast Suns, bringing in the Suns’ second-round selection 27 in exchange for a future third-round selection (tied to Melbourne).

Brisbane has traded two Round 4 picks (66 and 68) to Collingwood in exchange for its Round 4 pick (70) and a future fourth-round 

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Would be smart for Hawks to try to push up but the issue is clubs have gone cold on going back down the order. Most are actually looking to swap picks into the future - the Crows and Melbourne are a couple who could look at that, as may Richmond. But that takes a buyer who wants to trade a future pick, and at the moment Collingwood is the only one.

The Tombstone suggesting we could look at a trade out. 19 for the Pies future first would be a good deal if the players we want just aren’t there at 18/19. 
 

It looks like it will be difficult to combine our  4 picks to 3 and get a good deal so moving a pick out might be the way to go. The problem is it will be hard to get value. Collingwood are the 1 club looking for picks

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GC weren’t going to use 27, so they get something for a pick that is essentially worthless to them.

The issue is that GC surely could have shopped it around & received a better return from elsewhere, but then again, maybe not.

Teams generally aren’t looking to pick up an extra pick this year & to trade out of next years draft. 

Maybe it really is the best return they could get?

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1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

GC weren’t going to use 27, so they get something for a pick that is essentially worthless to them.

The issue is that GC surely could have shopped it around & received a better return from elsewhere, but then again, maybe not.

Teams generally aren’t looking to pick up an extra pick this year & to trade out of next years draft. 

Maybe it really is the best return they could get?

I would have thought on draft night when a certain player had slipped through they could have go something better then.

Looking at Geelong they have a suite of 2nd round picks. When it came to the crunch on draft night they might have handed over one of them. 

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18 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

Collingwood are in an interesting position, the have 14. 16, 65, 66, 68

They don't currently have 2020 points to pay for McInnes if a bid comes after their pick 16.

They can go into points deficit next year, which they won't care about because they have a kid coming through who's been touted as top 3, so their 1st round pick next year and maybe one of their 2nds is probably gone anyway. If a bid comes for McInnes before either 14 or 16, then there'd be no point in engaging with them, but if there's no bid before their first 2 picks the offering up 19 and 50 for their 1st next year become appealing. 

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7 hours ago, Red and Blue realist said:

They can go into points deficit next year, which they won't care about because they have a kid coming through who's been touted as top 3, so their 1st round pick next year and maybe one of their 2nds is probably gone anyway. If a bid comes for McInnes before either 14 or 16, then there'd be no point in engaging with them, but if there's no bid before their first 2 picks the offering up 19 and 50 for their 1st next year become appealing. 

They might do 14 for 19 + 28 and gamble that McInnes doesn't come before 19 and that 28 will cover him.

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I don't like it but I can "see" the case GCS would make to defend the trade with Geelong:

 

"We think Melbourne will slide, and the 2021 3rd round pick will around the 37-40 mark.

We expect this year's academy picks to push pick 27 out to early to mid 30's, so expect the picks will have a similar points value once they are used. 

We also believe it is worth sliding back a few places in the draft so that we have better visibility on the players: we are unsure about the 2020 cohort having not seen them play due to covid, and we think 2021 picks will be more valuable for that reason.

We know its a bit of a gamble on Melbourne sliding, but we think it's a good bet and we're confident we'll come out ok."

 

If you are in the camp that thinks we will finish bottom 4 next year, it is hard to argue with this position.

 

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2 hours ago, deanox said:

I don't like it but I can "see" the case GCS would make to defend the trade with Geelong:

 

"We think Melbourne will slide, and the 2021 3rd round pick will around the 37-40 mark.

We expect this year's academy picks to push pick 27 out to early to mid 30's, so expect the picks will have a similar points value once they are used. 

We also believe it is worth sliding back a few places in the draft so that we have better visibility on the players: we are unsure about the 2020 cohort having not seen them play due to covid, and we think 2021 picks will be more valuable for that reason.

We know its a bit of a gamble on Melbourne sliding, but we think it's a good bet and we're confident we'll come out ok."

 

If you are in the camp that thinks we will finish bottom 4 next year, it is hard to argue with this position.

 

I put it in these terms:

Will any club give us a future 2nd round pick for what will become pick 34 ish in this draft? - Right now, surely the Suns have phoned all 17 clubs and found that answer has to be no. Some clubs don't have one, some clubs can't trade it etc.

Which future 3rd round pick is the best option? If the Suns have predicted from the future 3rds on the table for that to be Melbourne then it's defensible.

I'm just interested to know come draft night that not a single club would've up their offer to a future 2nd. Or that no other club might've offered a future 3rd with some other later swap like a future 4th or a late pick that can be spun back in to a future 4th. Theoretically they could've moved the pick back a few spots for a future 4th and then done the same deal they did with the Cats. It seems from the outside they didn't really think how to get maximum value from that pick.

 

 

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Potential Live-Pick trades: top-five-pick-swap-between-north-and-hawks

  • Hawks and Kangaroos have been in talks about a live trade in which the Hawks would move up in the draft order, switching places with North.
  • Geelong and West Coast are interested in trading back into the first round
  • Richmond are open to trading out their first-round pick, which is currently No.17.
  • Melbourne have also indicated a willingness to trade out their third pick, currently No.28.

Geelong and WCE still have their 2021 1st rnd picks to put into play.  They clearly have their sights on a type of player higher up the draft than their current draft holding. 

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