Are we finished yet?

[Whispering_Jack 27,922]

Since you can keep trading picks right up to the National Draft, is there any limit to Josh Mahoney’s pick trading finesse?

Could we possibly even finish with pick 1?

[Binmans PA 25,894]

I don't think we would have given up a future first rounder in a supposedly better draft, if we didn't have our eye on someone in the top 10. We'll either trade them prior to draft night or during draft night IMO.

[Little Goffy 12,509]

We need a nearest the pin competition on just who it is we are aiming for, and how high in the draft we will worm our way to get them!

Clearly it isn't one of the big tall forwards at the pointy end of the draft.  Clearly it isn't a chunky inside midfielder.

Oh... Archie Perkins.  Obviously. 

Watching his highlights, there's something about his playing mannerisms, the thicker hair, the slight hunch, the way he carries the ball so low and in front when he runs and the way his ball drop barely leaves his hands by the time it is on his boot, that just makes me think 'Demon winger'.

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

A potentially interesting twist:  "The Bulldogs held their nerve on Josh Dunkley, but what might happen if the AFL holds a second trade period this year, just before the draft? Age Podcast

Michael Gleeson, Peter Ryan and Jake Niall are good reporters and doubt they would hypothesise that without something behind it.

It could be linked to the late advice of List sizes/TPP.  Only guessing tho.  Or is their a hint that the AFL may do it to help Essendon and the Bulldogs, both AFL darlings in recent years...

I'm hoping this is the end of the player trade and lets get on with the draft etc.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[deanox 8,516]

7 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

A potentially interesting twist:  "The Bulldogs held their nerve on Josh Dunkley, but what might happen if the AFL holds a second trade period this year, just before the draft? Age Podcast

Michael Gleeson, Peter Ryan and Jake Niall are good reporters and doubt they would hypothesise that without something behind it.

It could be linked to the late advice of List sizes/TPP.  Only guessing tho.  Or is their a hint that the AFL may do it to help Essendon and the Bulldogs, both AFL darlings in recent years...

I'm hoping this is the end of the player trade and lets get on with the draft etc.

That's a weirdly specific thing with no precedent to suggest unless you had some knowledge.

 

[The Lobster Effect 838]

11 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

 is there any limit to Josh Mahoney’s pick trading finesse?

If you give Mahoney a paperclip he'll end up trading it for a house.

[The Lobster Effect 838]

43 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I'm hoping this is the end of the player trade and lets get on with the draft etc.

Agreed. My work productivity will take a hit if bluddy trade radio comes back for another week!

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

A potentially interesting twist:  "The Bulldogs held their nerve on Josh Dunkley, but what might happen if the AFL holds a second trade period this year, just before the draft? Age Podcast

Michael Gleeson, Peter Ryan and Jake Niall are good reporters and doubt they would hypothesise that without something behind it.

It could be linked to the late advice of List sizes/TPP.  Only guessing tho.  Or is their a hint that the AFL may do it to help Essendon and the Bulldogs, both AFL darlings in recent years...

I'm hoping this is the end of the player trade and lets get on with the draft etc.

There's a small story by Michael Gleeson on the back page of The Age today which includes a suggestion that there might be a second trade period, possibly just for 24 hours, prior to the draft specifically created to overcome the uncertainty of list sizes and the salary cap. The thinking is that some deals that may normally have got done were unable to be completed because of the uncertainty. 

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

19 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

There's a small story by Michael Gleeson on the back page of The Age today which includes a suggestion that there might be a second trade period, possibly just for 24 hours, prior to the draft specifically created to overcome the uncertainty of list sizes and the salary cap. The thinking is that some deals that may normally have got done were unable to be completed because of the uncertainty. 

Thanks.  I didn't see that on line.  But that was my guess for a another trade because of the late advice on lists and TPP but my cynicism says it is to help Dunkley get to Ess.

In a way it is a bit unfair to announce a mini trade period after the official one.  It should be upfront.   While I have no desire to see Coll improve would they have agreed to give up Williams for pick #65 and pay $150k of his salary if they thought there was a chance of getting a better deal in a month.  More suitors may have come out of the woodwork - us for instance.  Not easy to get the attention of decision makers in the hot house hours of the final countdown.

Time will tell.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[ChaserJ 3,956]

10 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I didn't see that on line.  But my guess for a another trade was because of the late advice on lists and TPP but my cynicism says it is to help Dunkley get to Ess.

Time will tell.

This in combination with the amount of attention trade period gets (helped that Collingwood imploding & Essendon & Carlton were heavily involved) means AFL would be keen to extend that.

Helps that there's a potentially significant trade just sitting there waiting to be done. We could benefit by trying for a potential pick  from WB, but may also give us an extra window to offload T Mac.

[Maxwell Edison MD 143]

11 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

We need a nearest the pin competition on just who it is we are aiming for, and how high in the draft we will worm our way to get them!

Clearly it isn't one of the big tall forwards at the pointy end of the draft.  Clearly it isn't a chunky inside midfielder.

Oh... Archie Perkins.  Obviously. 

Watching his highlights, there's something about his playing mannerisms, the thicker hair, the slight hunch, the way he carries the ball so low and in front when he runs and the way his ball drop barely leaves his hands by the time it is on his boot, that just makes me think 'Demon winger'.

 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

30 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Thanks.  I didn't see that on line.  But that was my guess for a another trade because of the late advice on lists and TPP but my cynicism says it is to help Dunkley get to Ess.

In a way it is a bit unfair to announce a mini trade period after the official one.  It should be upfront.   While I have no desire to see Coll improve would they have agreed to give up Williams for pick #65 and pay $150k of his salary if they thought there was a chance of getting a better deal in a month.  More suitors may have come out of the woodwork - us for instance.  Not easy to get the attention of decision makers in the hot house hours of the final countdown.

Time will tell.

In normal circumstances I would agree. But this year has been anything but normal and the inability of the AFL to finalise important details such as final list numbers and salary cap could have made clubs hesitant to act. On balance, I think it's fairer to the players - and I think, in this instance, that's more important than the effect on clubs - that there is another opportunity, even if it hasn't yet been announced. 

[old dee 22,815]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

A potentially interesting twist:  "The Bulldogs held their nerve on Josh Dunkley, but what might happen if the AFL holds a second trade period this year, just before the draft? Age Podcast

Michael Gleeson, Peter Ryan and Jake Niall are good reporters and doubt they would hypothesise that without something behind it.

It could be linked to the late advice of List sizes/TPP.  Only guessing tho.  Or is their a hint that the AFL may do it to help Essendon and the Bulldogs, both AFL darlings in recent years...

I'm hoping this is the end of the player trade and lets get on with the draft etc.

Me too LH but why should we be surprised? It is AFL after all 

[Ouch! 2,034]

I don't have the stats.... but was Melbourne the most active player in this trade period?

We traded picks with Brisbane (twice), once with Sydney and once with Adelaide I think, along with trades in for Brown and trade outs for Hannan & Pruess.  

I know the Dogs and Saints did well from their trades & Free agency, and GWS essentially didn't even need to take a pick in the 40s from Adelaide for Jackson Hately... but I'm very impressed with how we progressed our position over the course of the trade period ..... no massive moves, just subtle improvements to the point where we got 2 picks in the first round.

[old dee 22,815]

5 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

In normal circumstances I would agree. But this year has been anything but normal and the inability of the AFL to finalise important details such as final list numbers and salary cap could have made clubs hesitant to act. On balance, I think it's fairer to the players - and I think, in this instance, that's more important than the effect on clubs - that there is another opportunity, even if it hasn't yet been announced. 

Excuse my cynicism LDC but this smells like giving Collingwood extra time to dump dollars and Essendon extra time to get Dunkley. 

[Maxwell Edison MD 143]

1 hour ago, The Lobster Effect said:

Agreed. My work productivity will take a hit if bluddy trade radio comes back for another week!

Same, plus I've already purchased two new hot water cylinders, four sprinklers and am considering a new 'bub' with my lesbian wife.

[Mach5 4,482]

North are the club to keep tabs on.

I can’t imagine us using all of our pick allocation and we only need to use 1 selection as a minimum, although I think we’ll use at least 3.

North are in the unique situation of needing to accumulate points for NGA purposes, but also needing bulk picks to fill 11 recently-vacated roster spots (list reduction notwithstanding). I’m sure they’ll be after some DFAs, but you’d expect they’ll also play a heavy hand at the draft.

With Jones being a top end selection, they’ll be willing to move on pick 11. I’d propose 18, 19 & 28 for 11, 30 & 39. That is, if we’re hellbent on a certain player or players & not confident in then lasting til 18. I think 18 & 19 is a better hand, but I have no clue as to the prospects. I highly rate JT’s ability to disseminate the draft pool however - giving him the hand he wants would be a priority.

anddddddddd after all of that I’m wrong, no North NGA candidate.

Edited November 13, 2020 by Mach5

[whatwhat say what 18,792]

1 minute ago, Mach5 said:

North are the club to keep tabs on.

I can’t imagine us using all of our pick allocation and we only need to use 1 selection as a minimum, although I think we’ll use at least 3.

North are in the unique situation of needing to accumulate points for NGA purposes, but also needing bulk picks to fill 11 recently-vacated roster spots (list reduction notwithstanding). I’m sure they’ll be after some DFAs, but you’d expect they’ll also play a heavy hand at the draft.

With Jones being a top end selection, they’ll be willing to move on pick 11. I’d propose 18, 19 & 28 for 11, 30 & 39. That is, if we’re hellbent on a certain player or players & not confident in then lasting til 18. I think 18 & 19 is a better hand, but I have no clue as to the prospects. I highly rate JT’s ability to disseminate the draft pool however - giving him the hand he wants would be a priority.

jones is a pear nga tho?

don't think north have a selection this season

[Mach5 4,482]

13 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

jones is a pear nga tho?

don't think north have a selection this season

 

I think I’m getting Jones confused with another. Can’t recall all the draftees & academy noms, but I thought North had one likely to be called around 11.

Update: checked and can’t find any reference to a North NGA candidate - must have just gotten confused and all of the above is obsolete.

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by Mach5

[Kent 2,574]

What about Speedy Galucci from the crows tendon problems but worth a go?

[Deecisive 1,651]

I like to look of perkins, he moves the ball on quickly which is great to see. Would be a very handy addition if we could snare him.

[Clintosaurus 6,411]

+1 for Perkins. May have to move further up the order to get him.

[TRIGON 4,714]

5 hours ago, Mach5 said:

 

I think I’m getting Jones confused with another. Can’t recall all the draftees & academy noms, but I thought North had one likely to be called around 11.

Update: checked and can’t find any reference to a North NGA candidate - must have just gotten confused and all of the above is obsolete.

 

Lachlan Jones, Port Adelaide NGA?

[Uncle Fester 2,835]

Just a thought- if we get to draft night with them,and the ones we are chasing are gone, maybe, just maybe, we might package them for a future 1st round for a club we think is on the slide. As I said... just a thought 

[ChaserJ 3,956]

If we want Perkins or Macrae, we’ll have to move up into the 8-13 range.

Failing that, there will still be some handy options at our current range. I imagine we’ll be looking at pace & ball use, so these players could be around the mark (Bailey Laurie & Brayden Cook are 2 who also fit the bill, but aren’t on the list below) :

https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/2020/07/02/2020-afl-draft-positional-analysis-outside-midfielders/