Welcome to Demonland - Picks 18 & 19

[Supreme_Demon 3,009]

I was pleasantly surprised with this pick swap. It puts us in a strong position as I was not expecting the Demons to have any picks in the first round of the 2020 AFL draft.

There will still be plenty of talent around with picks #18 and #19 in the 2020 AFL draft.

I know Archie Perkins has been spoken about, but not sure if he will slip down to us. However, you never know.

Finlay McCrae would be very handy. Especially as he is supposed to be an excellent kick of the football and that is something that we are crying out for at the Demons.

Personally, I am keen on Nik Cox who is the son of former Fitzroy, Melbourne and Brisbane player Darryl Cox. He would develop nicely playing for the Casey Demons and then be ready to play as either a forward or a defender in a few years time.

Anyway, smart move by the Demons and it will be interesting what our recruiter Jason Taylor does.

 

[picket fence 15,040]

I just cant stand it!!!

[buck_nekkid 5,457]

Smart move. Two first rounders for next years first. 25 will be pushed back this year and we get their second rounder next year (say 30) - about equal I’d reckon. Very smart trading, but do we go higher again??

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

1 minute ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Except for one who needs to match a bid for a top 5 pick. 

if what you are referring to is Ugle-Hagan points, would the Bulldogs be stupid enough to trade Dunkley for material that is going to be consumed in the bidding process?  It makes no sense whatsoever.

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

8 minutes ago, BAMF said:

It matters if the club involved needs to use points.

Yes, what I should say is that no club would be stupid enough to think that the AFL index bears any resemblance to the true value of the draft picks in question.

[Roost it far 5,965]

You need to keep adding young talent and 18 and 19 just might become 7 or 8 before we’re done 

[Lampers 563]

Not being critical, but I dislike the whole “First round pick” thing.

As reflected by the points for draft picks, which is not the be all and end all, there is a chasm between a pick 5 and a pick 18. But they are both first rounders.

Back to the trade, if Melbourne are backing themselves in to be in finals next year (which they must) and do something with 18 and 19 it looks good.

Move up in 2020 with 18 and 19 (or a different later pick) together, or perhaps trade back into 2021 first round with someone Melbourne thinks will drop in 2021 like a Collingwood or maybe a Bulldogs (not sure if they even have their 2021 first).

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by Lampers

[58er 5,568]

2 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

You need to keep adding young talent and 18 and 19 just might become 7 or 8 before we’re done 

Well it may be 8 and 25 more likely.

 

[Roost it far 5,965]

Just now, 58er said:

Well it may be 8 and 25 more likely.

 

7 or 8 not both 

[Kent 2,574]

What will 18 and 19 become after all the special and added picks

[58er 5,568]

2 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

7 or 8 not both 

Could be but let's not rule anything out. 

[Little Goffy 12,489]

A nice clear summary (I've removed the pocket fluff details)

step 1
swap 4th into third this year in exchange for going third to fourth next year
step 2
gain 2nd and third round picks for future second and fourth roud pick
step 3
future 3rd rounder for hannan
step 4
second rounder for Preuss
step 5
gain 25 for 31 and 43
Step 6
Brown in for 33
Step 7
18, 19 and future second, for 25 and future first

[Sydee 3,612]

2 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

A nice clear summary (I've removed the pocket fluff details)

step 1
swap 4th into third this year in exchange for going third to fourth next year
step 2
gain 2nd and third round picks for future second and fourth roud pick
step 3
future 3rd rounder for hannan
step 4
second rounder for Preuss
step 5
gain 25 for 31 and 43
Step 6
Brown in for 33
Step 7
18, 19 and future second, for 25 and future first

My take on this is that Brisbane don't rate this draft pool or MFC getting better - hopefully wrong on both counts 

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

Just now, Sydee said:

My take on this is that Brisbane don't rate this draft pool or MFC getting better - hopefully wrong on both counts 

They have an Academy player who could be bid from 15 onwards and with the list size shrinkage and possibility the AFL wont force clubs to take three draft choices, I wouldn't come to that conclusion.

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

9 minutes ago, Kent said:

What will 18 and 19 become after all the special and added picks

There are three certain academy players who will go before and two other strong possibilities.  Gold Coast will probably list their academy players on the rookie list and don't need points nor will push the order back.

[ArtificialWisdom 3,844]

24 minutes ago, goodoil said:

if what you are referring to is Ugle-Hagan points, would the Bulldogs be stupid enough to trade Dunkley for material that is going to be consumed in the bidding process?  It makes no sense whatsoever.

I wouldn't suggest that they would trade Dunkley just for points. But if they had got 8 and a future 1st like they wanted for him then they would have wanted to trade 8 out until the bid comes so that it doesn't get absorbed. 

[Kent 2,574]

2 minutes ago, goodoil said:

There are three certain academy players who will go before and two other strong possibilities.  Gold Coast will probably list their academy players on the rookie list and don't need points nor will push the order back.

so maybe 21 and 22 or 23 and 24

Thank you Goodoil

Edited November 12, 2020 by Kent

[DemonOX 8,529]

6 minutes ago, Sydee said:

My take on this is that Brisbane don't rate this draft pool or MFC getting better - hopefully wrong on both counts 

Commentary around this yrs draft is that it’s light and doesnt run deep at all but next season it runs very deep. 
 

Not sure what we are going to do with 18 and 19 but I hope JM knows what he is doing as we have no first rounder again next season at this stage. 

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

11 minutes ago, Kent said:

so maybe 21 and 22 or 23 and 24

Thank you Goodoil

I think there will be four, with the outside chance of two more academy players who get taken.  So 22 and 23 is the most likely result.

[Turner 1,482]

35 minutes ago, Lampers said:

Not being critical, but I dislike the whole “First round pick” thing.

As reflected by the points for draft picks, which is not the be all and end all, there is a chasm between a pick 5 and a pick 18. But they are both first rounders.

Back to the trade, if Melbourne are backing themselves in to be in finals next year (which they must) and do something with 18 and 19 it looks good.

Move up in 2020 with 18 and 19 (or a different later pick) together, or perhaps trade back into 2021 first round with someone Melbourne thinks will drop in 2021 like a Collingwood or maybe a Bulldogs (not sure if they even have their 2021 first).

 

pies will have to get out at some stage but i rkn we will get the same number of 2nd/3rd rounders in trades next year and we'll just bundle and bundle and eventually get back in. mahoney got it on lock, he runs this ship

[Dr.D 1,771]

im confused. can we trade these picks or are we officially ended with pick 18, 19?

[DeeSpencer 23,051]

4 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

im confused. can we trade these picks or are we officially ended with pick 18, 19?

Can trade them. I think up until a week before the draft and then again on the night.

Look for us to move up if/when we identify a talent somewhere in the 7-12 range I'd imagine.

[ChaserJ 3,956]

Perkins & Macrae are out of reach at our current set of picks, so wouldn't be surprised if we moved up.

If we stand pat, Poulter & Dumesny could have some appeal:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/515600/phantom-form-guide-extra-the-next-15-prospects

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

11 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Perkins & Macrae are out of reach at our current set of picks, so wouldn't be surprised if we moved up.

If we stand pat, Poulter & Dumesny could have some appeal:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/515600/phantom-form-guide-extra-the-next-15-prospects

As it stands, we have two list spots for draft picks.  It is likely Oscar will be delisted but there is very little likelihood we remain at 18 and 19 and that one if not both are different.

[ChaserJ 3,956]

14 minutes ago, goodoil said:

As it stands, we have two list spots for draft picks.  It is likely Oscar will be delisted but there is very little likelihood we remain at 18 and 19 and that one if not both are different.

We’re in a race with the Pies to find a trading partner further up the draft. 

Can see them moving up quite high as their ‘21 pick will also be on the table.

Reckon Fremantle at 12 or GWS at 10 are our best bets. Chance that Macrae could be in play at that range.

Edited November 12, 2020 by ChaserJ