Welcome to Demonland - Pick 33 & Pick 50

[Demonland 64,759]

 

[Dr.D 1,771]

passing 33 for brown surely. 

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Pretty good deal to be honest.

We swapped second rounders (although this one will fall a little later than our one next year I'd say) while we get a third for a fourth rounder.

Plus it will help us land Brown as well which is a positive.

And we still potential picks coming in for Preuss and Hannan, so we can make further moves if we wish.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,137]

Our picks 26 and 33 to North for Brown and their pick 28.

Or does that make no sense?

Have a feeling pick 33 alone won't be satisfactory for North.

[drdrake 3,037]

49 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Our picks 26 and 33 to North for Brown and their pick 28.

Or does that make no sense?

Have a feeling pick 33 alone won't be satisfactory for North.

North don't want him, they have clearly stated that, pick 33 is more than enough, I reckon 50 should be enough.  We are just building mid range picks to better our draft position.  

[Kent 2,581]

So can somebody smarter than me summarise our current position?

[drysdale demon 4,146]

12 minutes ago, Kent said:

So can somebody smarter than me summarise our current position?

Be careful what you ask for.

[Rolling Stone 107]

Anyone think we're going to use pick 50?

[Redleg 37,556]

6 minutes ago, Rolling Stone said:

Anyone think we're going to use pick 50?

Yes, on another indigenous small forward, who becomes better than Cyril Rioli and plays 300 games for us,  winning the Norm Smith 3 times and getting 5 flags with the Dees.

[Nascent 7,237]

6 minutes ago, Rolling Stone said:

Anyone think we're going to use pick 50?

[Colm 1,477]

Cal Twomey is of the opinion that we will only use 3 picks. Given that we have 3 better picks at this stage maybe not. 
Wonder if pick 50 is of any value to another club?

Edited November 20, 2020 by Colm
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[Fat Tony 4,401]

The brains trust have made a mistake if we are unable to consolidate our picks or push one of them into 2021.

[58er 5,607]

20 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

The brains trust have made a mistake if we are unable to consolidate our picks or push one of them into 2021.

Really FT 

You have no idea which players we will pick up at 18 19 or 28 even allowing for the compromised draft picks in between pushing out our choice ( like every one else).

I am more than happy This draft is an absolute beauty fir the style of run  and carry wingers and smart outside types and Small skilled options rather than KPF or KPD or rucks types.

To be honest I would and most Demon  people will go with The current picks or an upgraded version fir JT and JM to continue on from  last years Bounty.

3 more youngsters with fresh legs and bodies up replace some of our tired 2018 heroes sounds just the antedote   for  all to start 2021 on track.

In any case we dont often know till 1/2 years on or even later in careers.

Let the draft begin.

p

[Fat Tony 4,401]

13 minutes ago, 58er said:

Really FT 

You have no idea which players we will pick up at 18 19 or 28 even allowing for the compromised draft picks in between pushing out our choice ( like every one else).

I am more than happy This draft is an absolute beauty fir the style of run  and carry wingers and smart outside types and Small skilled options rather than KPF or KPD or rucks types.

To be honest I would and most Demon  people will go with The current picks or an upgraded version fir JT and JM to continue on from  last years Bounty.

3 more youngsters with fresh legs and bodies up replace some of our tired 2018 heroes sounds just the antedote   for  all to start 2021 on track.

In any case we dont often know till 1/2 years on or even later in careers.

Let the draft begin.

p

We have 4 picks of value this year and limited list spots. It would be dumb if we take 3 players and pass at #50 (particularly after we did multiple pick swaps to obtain it). Either we are looking to take four players or we need to slide up or into the future to keep our currency. 

[58er 5,607]

8 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

We have 4 picks of value this year and limited list spots. It would be dumb if we take 3 players and pass at #50 (particularly after we did multiple pick swaps to obtain it). Either we are looking to take four players or we need to slide up or into the future to keep our currency. 

Tony mu understanding is we will keep a pick for the Pre season draft or the mid season if there is one so as Cal Twomey says we may use only 3 on draft night.

Your comment has no relevance either way as it is our choice to use the very good picks any way that JM has given us.
 
Let's hope we welcome 3 newcomers like last year with big futures in the Red and Blue who can assist in making our list more complete.

[Little Goffy 12,554]

If Sydney's second NGA pick (expected bit in the 20s) hasn't been bid on by the time our 18/19 come up, don't be surprised if one of those selections plus 33 and 50 go to the Swans for a combo featuring their 2021 first rounder in live trading on the night.

Gets them a draft pick ahead of their points burning as well as the later points to burn, and gets us realistically well inside the first round of 2021. And we get to make the decision after we have picked our favourite of the options at 18.

Sydney would be loving it; pick 3, then top ten level NGA pick, then pick 19, then early second round NGA pick. Working the system twice in one draft because we'll be holding that 19 safely for them until after the first points burn is done.

It's hard to figure out exactly but I think that means all our pick trading, aside from some practical positioning, would bring a net result of turning our 2021 first rounder into Sydney 2021 first rounder, plus loose change, without actually giving anything up.

 

[Neil Crompton 4,716]

8 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

If Sydney's second NGA pick (expected bit in the 20s) hasn't been bid on by the time our 18/19 come up, don't be surprised if one of those selections plus 33 and 50 go to the Swans for a combo featuring their 2021 first rounder in live trading on the night.

Gets them a draft pick ahead of their points burning as well as the later points to burn, and gets us realistically well inside the first round of 2021. And we get to make the decision after we have picked our favourite of the options at 18.

Sydney would be loving it; pick 3, then top ten level NGA pick, then pick 19, then early second round NGA pick. Working the system twice in one draft because we'll be holding that 19 safely for them until after the first points burn is done.

It's hard to figure out exactly but I think that means all our pick trading, aside from some practical positioning, would bring a net result of turning our 2021 first rounder into Sydney 2021 first rounder, plus loose change, without actually giving anything up.

 

are you allowed 4 picks in the draft?

[Spirit of the Demon 209]

11 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

If Sydney's second NGA pick (expected bit in the 20s) hasn't been bid on by the time our 18/19 come up, don't be surprised if one of those selections plus 33 and 50 go to the Swans for a combo featuring their 2021 first rounder in live trading on the night.

Gets them a draft pick ahead of their points burning as well as the later points to burn, and gets us realistically well inside the first round of 2021. And we get to make the decision after we have picked our favourite of the options at 18.

Sydney would be loving it; pick 3, then top ten level NGA pick, then pick 19, then early second round NGA pick. Working the system twice in one draft because we'll be holding that 19 safely for them until after the first points burn is done.

It's hard to figure out exactly but I think that means all our pick trading, aside from some practical positioning, would bring a net result of turning our 2021 first rounder into Sydney 2021 first rounder, plus loose change, without actually giving anything up.

 

We don’t have 33 any more.

[Nascent 7,237]

1 hour ago, Spirit of the Demon said:

We don’t have 33 any more.

We do have 28 though. But since that hypothetical is giving Sydney a free hit at another first rounder + their next academy pick on the cheap, I wouldn't be including 28 in the deal anyway. 19 + 50 for next years first + something else coming back our way could be good for both parties.

 

 

[Kent 2,581]

4 hours ago, 58er said:

Really FT 

You have no idea which players we will pick up at 18 19 or 28 even allowing for the compromised draft picks in between pushing out our choice ( like every one else).

I am more than happy This draft is an absolute beauty fir the style of run  and carry wingers and smart outside types and Small skilled options rather than KPF or KPD or rucks types.

To be honest I would and most Demon  people will go with The current picks or an upgraded version fir JT and JM to continue on from  last years Bounty.

3 more youngsters with fresh legs and bodies up replace some of our tired 2018 heroes sounds just the antedote   for  all to start 2021 on track.

In any case we dont often know till 1/2 years on or even later in careers.

Let the draft begin.

p

"even later in careers."

Yes and that always hasnt worked out

Weid  5 years in still doesn't look like making it 

there are no certainties in this business

[BAMF 3,787]

The phantom drafts have Sydney's kids going at 6 and 22. They will be short on points by 376 points (equivalent of pick 43) if this occurs.  (I reckon the first kid will slide like Green did last year). If they go into deficit their first pick next year will be pushed back. They will desperate for this not to happen. 

However, Sydney's first pick next year a good one. Potentially top 5 again. There is no way they trading out of the first round for around pick 22-25 this year.

They will be much more likely to trade a future 2nd or 3rd round pick for an extra pick around 43 to make up the 300 odd points.

They will finish up with 3 excellent kids and keep their excellent pick for next year.

[BAMF 3,787]

4 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

are you allowed 4 picks in the draft?

You can have as many picks as you have available list spots.

If a team delisted 20 players they would have 20 rounds of picks.

Its a common misconception as the phantom drafts and AFL website often only bother going up to the third round. Also, there is a rule that you must use 3 picks in the draft. Not sure if that rule still applies these days.

[Little Goffy 12,554]

2 hours ago, BAMF said:

You can have as many picks as you have available list spots.

If a team delisted 20 players they would have 20 rounds of picks.

Its a common misconception as the phantom drafts and AFL website often only bother going up to the third round. Also, there is a rule that you must use 3 picks in the draft. Not sure if that rule still applies these days.

For this draft only (and in classic AFL HQ 'on-the-run why would we let anyone know in advance hey why not announce it after trade period that'll be fun' style) teams can select fewer than three players if there are circumstances such as, um, being Gold Coast or similar enough to Gold Coast that it would be too obvious if they excluded you.

I believe there is also an extension to how many late picks you can horde for points burning - previously you could only cash in as many picks as you actually could have taken in the draft.

Also worth noting is that if Sydney can't cover their priority selections with points from this draft, that carry-over cost will move their first selection backwards in the 2021 draft. Just to illustrate - by the points system, pick 28 is about the same as going from pick 5 to pick 13.  If their first academy pick goes well inside the top 10 as expected, that will burn both their picks in the 30s and they definitely won't have the spares to cover the second bid.  So, realistically, either Sydney trade for more burner picks this draft or their top pick in 2021 will actually be multiple places earlier in the draft IF it is held by someone other than Sydney!  The other time would get, say, 7, but Sydney would only be giving up 11!

Personally, I'd be okay with us giving up 19 and 28 this year for 'hypothetically 7ish' next year.  I also think Sydney would see giving up what would otherwise be 'hypothetically 11ish' next year for pick 18 this year and the burner points to stop their second 2021 pick from being crippled.

The trade would work out as;

We give up 19 and 28 (2020) and get 7~ (2021).

They give up 11~ (2021) and get 19 (2020) and effectively 'advance' their 2021 second round pick from 40~ to 24~

Bureaucracy is magnificent.

 

[BAMF 3,787]

5 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

For this draft only (and in classic AFL HQ 'on-the-run why would we let anyone know in advance hey why not announce it after trade period that'll be fun' style) teams can select fewer than three players if there are circumstances such as, um, being Gold Coast or similar enough to Gold Coast that it would be too obvious if they excluded you.

I believe there is also an extension to how many late picks you can horde for points burning - previously you could only cash in as many picks as you actually could have taken in the draft.

Also worth noting is that if Sydney can't cover their priority selections with points from this draft, that carry-over cost will move their first selection backwards in the 2021 draft. Just to illustrate - by the points system, pick 28 is about the same as going from pick 5 to pick 13.  If their first academy pick goes well inside the top 10 as expected, that will burn both their picks in the 30s and they definitely won't have the spares to cover the second bid.  So, realistically, either Sydney trade for more burner picks this draft or their top pick in 2021 will actually be multiple places earlier in the draft IF it is held by someone other than Sydney!  The other time would get, say, 7, but Sydney would only be giving up 11!

Personally, I'd be okay with us giving up 19 and 28 this year for 'hypothetically 7ish' next year.  I also think Sydney would see giving up what would otherwise be 'hypothetically 11ish' next year for pick 18 this year and the burner points to stop their second 2021 pick from being crippled.

The trade would work out as;

We give up 19 and 28 (2020) and get 7~ (2021).

They give up 11~ (2021) and get 19 (2020) and effectively 'advance' their 2021 second round pick from 40~ to 24~

Bureaucracy is magnificent.

 

 Fully agree on what you are saying, but I cannot see Sydney giving up thier 2021 first rounder.

I've done the rough maths and they only need to cover around 376 points. They are much more likely to offer their future 2nd as a trade to a club and get burner picks back in exchange.

This would still be a great deal for the club giving up late picks.

Mahoney has come out publicly and said we might be moving up the draft.

I found it strange that he would say this and think that there is a potential plan in place already depending on how the draft plays out.

Personally, I think our plan was to bundle 19, 28 and 50 up to move up the draft. It's about 1800 points or the equivalent of pick 6 (we would have to pay overs so would likely get pick 10-14). I cannot figure out who would need points bad enough to do it though.

Edited November 20, 2020 by BAMF

[WERRIDEE 5,209]

Can we change the title to picks 28 and 50?