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38 minutes ago, Wizard of Koz said:

And the Premiership medal.

 

It has been less than 12mths since the boys changed our world. How people can already bag them is beyond me.

 

Hey ... People here are hunting the Weid for Brown.
I'm just pointing out that Browns output aint much better.
Tomato, tomato and all that.

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5 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

And I don't know why.
Brown has also done nothing.

Not true, I think he worked himself into a bit of form the past month before getting injured. Taking marks up the ground and kicking 2 or 3 goals a game.

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8 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

To be fair to JT and the crew Weid used to really fly at the ball. And we’ll forever have the Geelong final which included big marks and huge tackles. Weid is now a mess but it’s lack of confidence and lack of athleticism that impact as much as mongrel. Fritsch has no mongrel, but he reads the play and has the speed to get the ball.

Harry McKay was in that draft and he was fairly soft as a junior. All skill and athletic potential. Curnow was the easy pick IMO, but he had off field misdemeanours and I think they thought he was a bit similar to Hogan.

When it came to Luke Jackson the recruiters saw a tall with incredible athleticism and the right physicality and had to grab him.

I don’t think we’ve drafted enough talls in general. They’re lottery tickets and it’s best to just keep buying them.

Thanks for this DeeSpencer - I’d never really understood why we picked Weid instead of Curnow in that draft. Most of the informed posters seemed to think it’d be Oliver or Parish with our first pick and then Curnow with our second pick.

This could explain why we overlooked Curnow and instead selected Weideman. I hope the Weid makes it, but it’s hard to watch Curnow playing so well.

 

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I want Sam to succeed, but he just doesn't seem up to it on a consistent basis. Sucks but AFL footy is a tough business, can't have passengers.

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Look, if having him on the list costs virtually nothing with a low value extension then sure, he’s the depth we always need in that part of the ground.

But if another team offers us anything for him, and we can trade into a player of similar size the I say take the bloody deal and be done with it.

Watching Cumberland last night makes me really keen to see JVR soon, I dare say he’s our answer to this problem right now. 

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There's no doubt in my mind that part of Weideman's role in this game was to restrict Pearce from getting to contests and taking intercept marks, and he did a good job in that respect.

But for a guy who is clearly low on confidence to be so reluctant to tackle and chase and generally impact the game is just bizarre. The easiest way to get involved in the game is to lay a tackle or make a block that helps a teammate. 

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Has the turning circle of a barge and regularly runs under the ball when flying for marks. Still good enough as depth. 

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I think one of the commentators mentioned it on the weekend that he “scared himself” out of the contest. I don’t know what it is, but he’s just not cut out for it. Some call it confidence, others would say it’s a lack of willingness to throw yourself into a position where you might get hurt… - cut him loose

It does him as much of a disservice as it does us, let him move on with his life in another profession or team. 
 

The hit to Melbourne as a result is that the club collectively failed to make something of him, despite multiple opportunities to give him a chance, but sometimes you can only lead a horse to water…

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15 hours ago, poita said:

 

But for a guy who is clearly low on confidence to be so reluctant to tackle and chase and generally impact the game is just bizarre. The easiest way to get involved in the game is to lay a tackle or make a block that helps a teammate. 

I didn't notice this watching the game live, but watching the replay on Kayo it really stood out. Really quite bizarre

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15 hours ago, poita said:

There's no doubt in my mind that part of Weideman's role in this game was to restrict Pearce from getting to contests and taking intercept marks, and he did a good job in that respect.

But for a guy who is clearly low on confidence to be so reluctant to tackle and chase and generally impact the game is just bizarre. The easiest way to get involved in the game is to lay a tackle or make a block that helps a teammate. 

That is the mystery. And that is why people say he lacks mongrel. 
 

Last week against the Doggies we saw how Sam can thrive with faster ball movement. He is clearly not a pack marker. That’s ok, lots of forwards aren’t. Naughton, Curnow, McKay etc are forwards that would work in our system. 
 

He just doesn’t fit our system and I think he  is aware of that. 
 

We could really benefit from a dedicated forward coach who could teach craft, leading patterns etc that would work with our system.. I think Weid would benefit greatly from this. 

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2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

For those who think he has a role watch the replay

14:30 into the last quarter... so far under the ball it was amusing

JVR isn't ready but................

Interesting praise in the vfl report on JVR - very competative and rarely gets outmarked ... need some more of that in the AFL

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7 hours ago, DeezNuts said:

I think one of the commentators mentioned it on the weekend that he “scared himself” out of the contest. I don’t know what it is, but he’s just not cut out for it. Some call it confidence, others would say it’s a lack of willingness to throw yourself into a position where you might get hurt… - cut him loose

It does him as much of a disservice as it does us, let him move on with his life in another profession or team. 
 

The hit to Melbourne as a result is that the club collectively failed to make something of him, despite multiple opportunities to give him a chance, but sometimes you can only lead a horse to water…

This has been my opinion Since 2019. Some here fall in the trap of squinting trying to see something that isn’t there . We did it with Jack watts. And many have done it wirh this guy. I can’t see it and haven’t been able to for years. He’s a bust. No [censored] in him . Like watts . Great bloke I’m sure.

if it quacks like a duck it usually is. Cut him lose for a 4th rounder and move on 

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1 hour ago, Flaps Jackson said:

If you have to force stats to make a player look good by pointing out that your key forward had ‘3 spoils’ then you’re really clutching at straws . 

That's probably the bottom line. 

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I was at the game. I know we didn’t have the best seats but I seriously didn’t see Weids having a crack. Maybe it was just our viewing.

I will say that the one thing I criticised about Goodwin’s coaching last year was giving Weids games at the expense of Brown. Brown was really good when he played and Goody would still put Weid in at his expense. I just couldn’t understand it.

Brown hasn’t had the best form lately, but he can still be counted on taking at least one good mark and kick a goal. Weiderman can’t. While Brown is far from his best I’d take Brown over him any day if the week. I just can’t comprehend people saying that Brown’s no better than Weids. Brown is way better and given his recent form that’s saying a hell of a lot

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On 8/2/2022 at 7:23 AM, Flaps Jackson said:

This has been my opinion Since 2019. Some here fall in the trap of squinting trying to see something that isn’t there . We did it with Jack watts. And many have done it wirh this guy. I can’t see it and haven’t been able to for years. He’s a bust. No [censored] in him . Like watts .  

Jack Watts was a far better player than Weid is and I think your comparison is pretty unfair to Jack and incorrect.

Jack played in a worse team and was used all over the forward line, even playing a bit in defence and ending there with Port where he was going very well until injured. He was actually BOG against us playing off the half back line for Port. If we had Jack at Weid's age now, we would be far better off than we are and he would be absolute best 22. Nice mark and brilliant kick for goal and was mobile for his size. Have a look at the running goal winner against the Pies, could you see Weid doing that?

Year   Team   #   GM   W-D-L   KI   MK   HB   DI   GL   BH   HO   TK   RB   IF   CL   CG   FF   FA   BR   CP   UP   CM   MI   1%   BO   GA  
Totals 174 57-2-115 1510 907 1225 2735 161 79 158 358 185 316 107 330 107 136 15 943 1805 126 151 284 24 90
Averages 15.82 33.33% 8.68 5.21 7.04 15.72 0.93 0.45 0.91 2.06 1.06 1.82 0.61 1.90 0.61 0.78 0.09 5.42 10.37 0.72 0.87 1.63 0.14 0.52
2009 Melbourne 4 3 0-0-3 16 9 11 27 2 2   1   3   10 2 6   13 16 1 4 2   1
2010 Melbourne 4 15 5-1-9 115 70 74 189 10 4 9 15 4 30 12 31 14 13   69 123 6 10 22   10
2011 Melbourne 4 22 8-1-13 198 124 157 355 21 11 9 53 26 40 8 47 14 17 1 127 242 26 18 49 5 12
2012 Melbourne 4 15 3-0-12 149 83 129 278 5 1 2 23 42 21 10 31 10 13 3 113 157 20 2 47 5 4
2013 Melbourne 4 18 2-0-16 157 95 110 267 22 12 11 29 32 25 8 31 8 14 3 92 173 10 22 31 8 7
2014 Melbourne 4 22 4-0-18 200 109 185 385 13 8 2 58 19 40 16 39 12 17   106 281 10 9 28 1 10
2015 Melbourne 4 20 6-0-14 169 102 156 325 10 6 29 42 27 35 22 34 14 13   112 210 9 10 16 1 11
2016 Melbourne 4 22 10-0-12 226 139 125 351 38 18 42 39 15 55 15 46 11 16 5 126 230 22 38 39 1 18
2017 Melbourne 4 16 8-0-8 129 77 122 251 22 9 53 42 6 35 11 25 10 9 1 85 167 11 21 18 3 9
2018 Port Adelaide 23 19 9-0-10 127 85 139 266 18 8 1 51 3 31 4 26 9 14 2 87 176 9 17 23   8
2019 Port Adelaide 23 2 2-0-0 24 14 17 41       5 11 1 1 10 3 4   13 30 2   9    
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13 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Jack Watts was a far better player than Weid is and I think your comparison is pretty unfair to Jack and incorrect.

Jack played in a worse team and was used all over the forward line, even playing a bit in defence and ending there with Port where he was going very well until injured. He was actually BOG against us playing off the half back line for Port. If we had Jack at Weid's age now, we would be far better off than we are and he would be absolute best 22. Nice mark and brilliant kick for goal and was mobile for his size. Have a look at the running goal winner against the Pies, could you see Weid doing that?

Year   Team   #   GM   W-D-L   KI   MK   HB   DI   GL   BH   HO   TK   RB   IF   CL   CG   FF   FA   BR   CP   UP   CM   MI   1%   BO   GA  
Totals 174 57-2-115 1510 907 1225 2735 161 79 158 358 185 316 107 330 107 136 15 943 1805 126 151 284 24 90
Averages 15.82 33.33% 8.68 5.21 7.04 15.72 0.93 0.45 0.91 2.06 1.06 1.82 0.61 1.90 0.61 0.78 0.09 5.42 10.37 0.72 0.87 1.63 0.14 0.52
2009 Melbourne 4 3 0-0-3 16 9 11 27 2 2   1   3   10 2 6   13 16 1 4 2   1
2010 Melbourne 4 15 5-1-9 115 70 74 189 10 4 9 15 4 30 12 31 14 13   69 123 6 10 22   10
2011 Melbourne 4 22 8-1-13 198 124 157 355 21 11 9 53 26 40 8 47 14 17 1 127 242 26 18 49 5 12
2012 Melbourne 4 15 3-0-12 149 83 129 278 5 1 2 23 42 21 10 31 10 13 3 113 157 20 2 47 5 4
2013 Melbourne 4 18 2-0-16 157 95 110 267 22 12 11 29 32 25 8 31 8 14 3 92 173 10 22 31 8 7
2014 Melbourne 4 22 4-0-18 200 109 185 385 13 8 2 58 19 40 16 39 12 17   106 281 10 9 28 1 10
2015 Melbourne 4 20 6-0-14 169 102 156 325 10 6 29 42 27 35 22 34 14 13   112 210 9 10 16 1 11
2016 Melbourne 4 22 10-0-12 226 139 125 351 38 18 42 39 15 55 15 46 11 16 5 126 230 22 38 39 1 18
2017 Melbourne 4 16 8-0-8 129 77 122 251 22 9 53 42 6 35 11 25 10 9 1 85 167 11 21 18 3 9
2018 Port Adelaide 23 19 9-0-10 127 85 139 266 18 8 1 51 3 31 4 26 9 14 2 87 176 9 17 23   8
2019 Port Adelaide 23 2 2-0-0 24 14 17 41       5 11 1 1 10 3 4   13 30 2   9    

Watts was traded after 2017, a year in which he was dropped from the team. We made the prelim the following year and won a flag 4 years after he was traded. There is no way you could say we would be better off with a 24yo Jack Watts, and that he'd be best 22.

Watts was more skilled than Weid and statistically achieved more, but both suffer from the same trait of lacking competitiveness. Watts was traded for this reason.

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6 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Watts was traded after 2017, a year in which he was dropped from the team. We made the prelim the following year and won a flag 4 years after he was traded. There is no way you could say we would be better off with a 24yo Jack Watts, and that he'd be best 22.

Watts was more skilled than Weid and statistically achieved more, but both suffer from the same trait of lacking competitiveness. Watts was traded for this reason.

BBB is limited with a knee injury and we have no one else ATM, as an experienced and fit key forward.

Jack Watts would be in our team tomorrow night, if he was Weid's age and on our list.

Yes I can say we would be better off ATM, with him. It is my opinion. 

My comments on him were really in answer to a poster who said Weid and Watts were the same and both failures. Watts played 150 games for us in a far worse side. I could see Spargo, Tracc and others passing to Watts, who would kick goals for us and was a better mark and kick than Weid as well. I am not saying he was a champion, but is a better player than Weid and would be handy in this far better Demons side.

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17 minutes ago, Redleg said:

BBB is limited with a knee injury and we have no one else ATM, as an experienced and fit key forward.

Jack Watts would be in our team tomorrow night, if he was Weid's age and on our list.

Yes I can say we would be better off ATM, with him. It is my opinion. 

My comments on him were really in answer to a poster who said Weid and Watts were the same and both failures. Watts played 150 games for us in a far worse side. I could see Spargo, Tracc and others passing to Watts, who would kick goals for us and was a better mark and kick than Weid as well. I am not saying he was a champion, but is a better player than Weid and would be handy in this far better Demons side.

Jack Watts would be a fine player in today’s side. But we wouldn’t have Bailey Fritsch….

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12 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Jack Watts would be a fine player in today’s side. But we wouldn’t have Bailey Fritsch….

Yes I understand that, but I meant right now if he was available, with our lack of fit and experienced key forwards, he would be in the side and that he was a better player at the same age than Weid.

He kicked 6 goals against the Crows in his first game with Port.

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1 minute ago, Redleg said:

Yes I understand that, but I meant right now if he was available, with our lack of fit and experienced key forwards, he would be in the side and that he was a better player at the same age than Weid.

Agreed 

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1 minute ago, Redleg said:

Yes I understand that, but I meant right now if he was available, with our lack of fit and experienced key forwards, he would be in the side and that he was a better player at the same age than Weid.

Much better, People have short memories.

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12 minutes ago, old dee said:

Much better, People have short memories.

Yes OD they do.

Weid has played 59 games in 7 years and only kicked more than 13 goals in one year. 

Weid has constantly been bagged by Dees fans throughout his career.

I don't recall that happening to Jack at the same stage. He was an automatic in every week, until 2017, when he still played 16 games, after playing 82 in the previous 4 years.

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