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11 minutes ago, Mike said:

He'd the mad to nominate the Saints. They're spoilt for pacey forward types at the moment. Why not go somewhere where you'd be highly valued (aka the Dees).

Because we are not a destination club. The inner sanctum of the footy community knows we are a basket case.

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So first of all Corey Wagner wasn't traded in. He was taken in the rookie draft I'm pretty sure after his B&F season at Casey the year after being delisted by North. Balic cost us Pick 66 whi

Mahoney interview: Ben Brown:  Started trade conversation with North and deal will get done in next 10 days.  Had some discussions around picks/players.  It won't be a first round pick. 

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43 minutes ago, CYB said:

Because we are not a destination club. The inner sanctum of the footy community knows we are a basket case.

Gee how does Adem Yze get to join this "inner sanctum" then?

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3 hours ago, Mike said:

He'd the mad to nominate the Saints. They're spoilt for pacey forward types at the moment. Why not go somewhere where you'd be highly valued (aka the Dees).

spoilt for depth maybe... but so are we, i mean dean kent played more games than not this year for them so they can definitely fit him in the 22

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Once again, a lot of talk and speculation today with few highlights. Here are some points that of interest from AFL Trade Radio’s day -

* Bombers will find it difficult to get the Dogs talking for Josh Dunkley. Draft picks won’t do it because any picks they can give will get absorbed for Next Generation Academy prospect and prospective number one draft selection Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and a player swap won’t do it either because Essendon doesn’t have the players who will make a difference for the Dogs like Josh Dunkley does;

* The names Lochie O'Brien and Paddy Dow are part of the Saad trade conversations; 

* GWS believed to be the likely 2021 destination of Jesse Hogan; and 

* Richmond will release Jack Higgins and the Saints are said to be the most appropriate suitors.

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3 hours ago, CYB said:

Because we are not a destination club. The inner sanctum of the footy community knows we are a basket case.

St Kilda weren't a "destination club" until players showed up there last year.

We've attracted Langdon, Tomlinson, May and Lever in the last three off-seasons with, potentially, some more players to come this year.

I don't buy your argument.

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41 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

St Kilda weren't a "destination club" until players showed up there last year.

We've attracted Langdon, Tomlinson, May and Lever in the last three off-seasons with, potentially, some more players to come this year.

I don't buy your argument.

Wasn’t for sale Titan. Just my humble opinion. St Kilda weren’t a destination club until they threw massive cash at players - same for Carlton. In the end I think it will burn them as they may not be able to keep their better players when contracts needs to be renewed. 

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43 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

St Kilda weren't a "destination club" until players showed up there last year.

We've attracted Langdon, Tomlinson, May and Lever in the last three off-seasons with, potentially, some more players to come this year.

I don't buy your argument.

Yep.

You can add Hibberd and Melksham to the list too.  We’ve done alright getting the players we’ve been after the last few years.

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4 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Yep.

You can add Hibberd and Melksham to the list too.  We’ve done alright getting the players we’ve been after the last few years.

everyone does seem to forget the players we're after that we don't get or the ones we're linked to that never really take off, it makes any clubs trade hall seem better than it is. 

i dont have any exact examples but as a blanket rule 

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in terms of recruits that we've brought in we've not had many 'busts' of late

on the presumption that langdon and tomlinson do play for us in 2021 (and beyond), only kk and bennell will have played games in only one season at the club

generally speaking, players we've brought in have been regular, best 22 players for extended periods of time, the latter two plus preuss being the only non-success stories

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5 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

in terms of recruits that we've brought in we've not had many 'busts' of late

on the presumption that langdon and tomlinson do play for us in 2021 (and beyond), only kk and bennell will have played games in only one season at the club

generally speaking, players we've brought in have been regular, best 22 players for extended periods of time, the latter two plus preuss being the only non-success stories

ben kennedy, pat mckenna, harley balic, corey wagner, viv mitchie, bugg... we've had some stinkers

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5 minutes ago, Turner said:

ben kennedy, pat mckenna, harley balic, corey wagner, viv mitchie, bugg... we've had some stinkers

Not sure steak knife type players traded for crap picks count 

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3 minutes ago, adonski said:

Not sure steak knife type players traded for crap picks count 

but u cant say "all our targets have been hits" if ur only gonna look at the hits thats just stupid! doesn't make sense

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9 minutes ago, Turner said:

but u cant say "all our targets have been hits" if ur only gonna look at the hits thats just stupid! doesn't make sense

You judge a trade by what you pay vs what you get in return.  Bugg, Wagner, McKenna, Mitchie and Balic were all steak knives, late picks and DFAs.  They didn’t come off, but we also gave up next to nothing for them.

Kennedy was a poor trade, but we were being held over a barrel on that one anyway.

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6 hours ago, Turner said:

ben kennedy, pat mckenna, harley balic, corey wagner, viv mitchie, bugg... we've had some stinkers

So first of all Corey Wagner wasn't traded in. He was taken in the rookie draft I'm pretty sure after his B&F season at Casey the year after being delisted by North.

Balic cost us Pick 66 which Freo used to draft Tom North who never played a game. Nil all draw.

Michie cost pick 56 which Freo used to draft Brady Grey who played 21 games, the same as Michie for us. Also worth noting we got Michie in Roos first year where he was looking for immediate help and depth for our midfield. I'd say at worst it's a nil all draw, if not having us slightly ahead.

McKenna like Balic didn't play for us, but all we did to get him was a pick swap with GWS which we used to get Mitch Hannan and Dion Johnstone. GWS used the picks for Tiziani and Matt DeBoer. Maybe they came out slightly ahead, but barely I'd suggest.

Bugg came as steak knives in a trade that saw us get the pick we used to draft Weideman. In exchange the 3 picks GWS got gave them Matthew Kennedy (now Carlton), Matthew Flynn (delisted) and they passed on the pick we gave them in the 60's. A comfortable win for us IMO.

And finally while I'll concede the Kennedy trade was a bust in isolation with us giving up Howe and Toumpas for Kennedy, Pick 29 and the pick we used for Hulett. We shouldn't forget that we used Pick 29 in a packaged deal with Gold Coast to move up the draft order to secure Clayton Oliver, so again it makes it hard to complain about that trade.

So out of those 6 players you mentioned, I'd argue that the overall picture of each of them coming to the club was a win. Bar Wagner who wasn't traded in.

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19 minutes ago, MadAsHell said:

So first of all Corey Wagner wasn't traded in. He was taken in the rookie draft I'm pretty sure after his B&F season at Casey the year after being delisted by North.

Balic cost us Pick 66 which Freo used to draft Tom North who never played a game. Nil all draw.

Michie cost pick 56 which Freo used to draft Brady Grey who played 21 games, the same as Michie for us. Also worth noting we got Michie in Roos first year where he was looking for immediate help and depth for our midfield. I'd say at worst it's a nil all draw, if not having us slightly ahead.

McKenna like Balic didn't play for us, but all we did to get him was a pick swap with GWS which we used to get Mitch Hannan and Dion Johnstone. GWS used the picks for Tiziani and Matt DeBoer. Maybe they came out slightly ahead, but barely I'd suggest.

Bugg came as steak knives in a trade that saw us get the pick we used to draft Weideman. In exchange the 3 picks GWS got gave them Matthew Kennedy (now Carlton), Matthew Flynn (delisted) and they passed on the pick we gave them in the 60's. A comfortable win for us IMO.

And finally while I'll concede the Kennedy trade was a bust in isolation with us giving up Howe and Toumpas for Kennedy, Pick 29 and the pick we used for Hulett. We shouldn't forget that we used Pick 29 in a packaged deal with Gold Coast to move up the draft order to secure Clayton Oliver, so again it makes it hard to complain about that trade.

So out of those 6 players you mentioned, I'd argue that the overall picture of each of them coming to the club was a win. Bar Wagner who wasn't traded in.

Look MaH . . . you wanna start bringing in evidence and rationality to discussions, you'll receive the wooden spoon here on 'Land. 

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13 hours ago, CYB said:

Wasn’t for sale Titan. Just my humble opinion. St Kilda weren’t a destination club until they threw massive cash at players - same for Carlton. In the end I think it will burn them as they may not be able to keep their better players when contracts needs to be renewed. 

What you appear to be saying here is even clubs who are "destination clubs" are going to struggle.

I'm really not following your complaint about us.

9 hours ago, Turner said:

everyone does seem to forget the players we're after that we don't get or the ones we're linked to that never really take off, it makes any clubs trade hall seem better than it is. 

i dont have any exact examples but as a blanket rule 

Well then I'm not sure whether this is a fair point to raise.

Do you think we're the only club which has an interest in some players who ultimately don't come to the club?

You've already seen from @MadAsHell's post above that some of your gripes around so-called "stinker" trades don't really add up to a meaningful argument. But, again, do you think we're the only club which brings in players who ultimately struggle?

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15 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

* GWS believed to be the likely 2021 destination of Jesse Hogan; and 

This surely hurts our chances of offloading Tommy McDonald. 

Are any clubs a serious chance to take Tom and who will be paying his salary?

GWS played the long con to finally land Hogan. Well played GWS. Well played. 

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Just now, Kelpien said:

This surely hurts our chances of offloading Tommy McDonald. 

Are any clubs a serious chance to take Tom and who will be paying his salary?

GWS played the long con to finally land Hogan. Well played GWS. Well played. 

Any club looking at TMac will be looking to deploy him in his natural position of key defender. GWS need to replace Aiden Corr, if anything the Hogan news strengthens TMac to the Giants as they will likely be enthused by the prospect of surrounding him with a former team mate and familiar face. 

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Just now, RedFox said:

Any club looking at TMac will be looking to deploy him in his natural position of key defender. GWS need to replace Aiden Corr, if anything the Hogan news strengthens TMac to the Giants as they will likely be enthused by the prospect of surrounding him with a former team mate and familiar face. 

That is true but I doubt it will be TMac's choice if the Dees want to offload and trade him.

My big concern in regards to offloading Tom is that that we might be stuck footing the bill for a good chunk of his salary. 

I would hate for this to bite us in terms of landing other trade targets.

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1 minute ago, Kelpien said:

That is true but I doubt it will be TMac's choice if the Dees want to offload and trade him.

My big concern in regards to offloading Tom is that that we might be stuck footing the bill for a good chunk of his salary. 

I would hate for this to bite us in terms of landing other trade targets.

I think we will end up trading Tom for a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick, possibly even next year's. GWS have cash to splash with all the high profile trade requests they are copping over the past month; can't see there being an issue with them taking on Tom's salary if they get him on the cheap in a trade. Win win, frees up cap space for us and fills a positional need for them. 

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