2021 AFL National Draft prospects: The next batch

[dazzledavey36 48,619]

1 hour ago, BAMF said:

 

Exactly.

However the question I would really like answered is how much time and resources we have put into this already. 

I have a feeling that it isn't much.

It's frustrating that we miss out on Mac due to the rule change, however the JUH situation should never have occurred. If they applied the new rule after we got Mac I most likely wouldn't care.

Well Mac Andrew has been in our NGA system since he was 14 years of age. That's according to Jason Taylor. But clubs are generally pretty good integrating each year into their development. When they're about 16-17 years of age, club will usually invite them down during the pre season for a week or two and train with the footy club. They also might do some work experience as well during the year. Mostly it's all about building them up into that professional environment so that they're ready from day dot.

My take is that the AFL overreacted last year because club recruiters whinged about the whole JUH situation. Jason Taylor is right, there should have been some minor changes and a bit more charity instead of just jumping the gun so suddenly. But, unfortunately it is what it is.

 

[drdrake 3,035]

44 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Well Mac Andrew has been in our NGA system since he was 14 years of age. That's according to Jason Taylor. But clubs are generally pretty good integrating each year into their development. When they're about 16-17 years of age, club will usually invite them down during the pre season for a week or two and train with the footy club. They also might do some work experience as well during the year. Mostly it's all about building them up into that professional environment so that they're ready from day dot.

My take is that the AFL overreacted last year because club recruiters whinged about the whole JUH situation. Jason Taylor is right, there should have been some minor changes and a bit more charity instead of just jumping the gun so suddenly. But, unfortunately it is what it is.

 

We would have had a couple of training sessions a year for our NGA.  Clubs when they first announced the NGA put some effort into them holding regular training but after the first year they realised effort V reward was little and reverted to signing a lot but not doing much.  You might find highly talented kids would have been doing some pre-season training with AFL teams in their draft year.

Clubs are cracking it due to the Northern states NGA, they get access to every kids in their allocated Zone.  Look at Sydney, they put a lot of time into their Academy, Paul Roos was involved with this coaching, they have a number of senior good players that came from their academy.

I think the AFL changed up the ruling for Gold Coast, they also changed all the Zones gave them more

[Grimes Times 1,278]

@EdPascoe_eDPS from https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/ doesnt have Mac Andrews in his top 20. Only needs one club to have him inside 20 though.

 

 

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7 hours ago, drdrake said:

We would have had a couple of training sessions a year for our NGA.  Clubs when they first announced the NGA put some effort into them holding regular training but after the first year they realised effort V reward was little and reverted to signing a lot but not doing much.  You might find highly talented kids would have been doing some pre-season training with AFL teams in their draft year.

Clubs are cracking it due to the Northern states NGA, they get access to every kids in their allocated Zone.  Look at Sydney, they put a lot of time into their Academy, Paul Roos was involved with this coaching, they have a number of senior good players that came from their academy.

I think the AFL changed up the ruling for Gold Coast, they also changed all the Zones gave them more

Yes, I know of someone with a son in an AFL club’s NGA. They usually start out with open days for eligible players within their zone for 14 year olds that are simply aimed at being fun and they then go on to be more serious with squads at 16/17. Jason Taylor referred to Mac playing in a trial game just before Covid 19 out at Beaconsfield before he showed some significant improvement through the Stingrays earlier this season. I got the impression that we didn’t put that much time into him - unlike Toby Bedford and Deakyn Smith who came to Melbourne through the NGA. We would be entitled to crack it if he we worked with him over a long period of time in which he was recognized as a future star and played in state under 16 and 18 squads and the like. But I don’t believe Taylor is claiming that. If we don’t get him, we might be stiff but we have no cause to complain.

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On 9/2/2021 at 10:55 AM, Grimes Times said:

@EdPascoe_eDPS from https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/ doesnt have Mac Andrews in his top 20. Only needs one club to have him inside 20 though.

 

 

With the NAB League cancelled and little prospect of the national competition games taking place, our Victorian prospects are going to be at a distinct disadvantage. They can’t even train together and might not even have the combine to show what they’ve got. I think this means that there are going to be some very good players attainable outside the top 20.

Victorian draft hopefuls miss on-field chance to impress AFL recruiters

[Colm 1,473]

12 hours ago, Pinball Wizard said:

With the NAB League cancelled and little prospect of the national competition games taking place, our Victorian prospects are going to be at a distinct disadvantage. They can’t even train together and might not even have the combine to show what they’ve got. I think this means that there are going to be some very good players attainable outside the top 20.

Victorian draft hopefuls miss on-field chance to impress AFL recruiters

One on the recruiters on Cals road to the draft podcast also said there’s not a lot difference in players between picks 10/15 and 35. Given the high strike rate JT has is recent drafts he may well find a couple of gems in the second round. 

I wonder would it be smart not to  trade for a player this year- try and improve our first 2 picks in the draft(prob  take Tai Woewodin later) and leave our first rounder next year in case we need to make a move for a tall forward. 

[Whispering_Jack 27,884]

2 hours ago, Colm said:

One on the recruiters on Cals road to the draft podcast also said there’s not a lot difference in players between picks 10/15 and 35. Given the high strike rate JT has is recent drafts he may well find a couple of gems in the second round. 

I wonder would it be smart not to  trade for a player this year- try and improve our first 2 picks in the draft(prob  take Tai Woewodin later) and leave our first rounder next year in case we need to make a move for a tall forward. 
 

I also think that the perceived evenness of the draft is going to help Jason Taylor this year. However, I cant really see how we can improve our draft position without trading some players out at the end of the year.  The are some benefits of finishing in the top four and that is that your team depth puts you in a position where you have some eminently tradeable players who can move elsewhere in the hope of getting games and progressing their careers. I would like to think we can end up with at least a selection in the first round.

As to moving for a tall forward, if some of the drafts being put out by the experts are right, we might get a handy key forward prospect this year. There are a few in the WA under 19 state team that I like as future players.

[WERRIDEE 5,198]

59 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I also think that the perceived evenness of the draft is going to help Jason Taylor this year. However, I cant really see how we can improve our draft position without trading some players out at the end of the year.  The are some benefits of finishing in the top four and that is that your team depth puts you in a position where you have some eminently tradeable players who can move elsewhere in the hope of getting games and progressing their careers. I would like to think we can end up with at least a selection in the first round.

As to moving for a tall forward, if some of the drafts being put out by the experts are right, we might get a handy key forward prospect this year. There are a few in the WA under 19 state team that I like as future players.

What about Andrew as that key forward? Imagine getting all of Cerra, Andrew and Woewodin the tent will definitely be up then

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What expectations would people have from a full forward in his first year given that we’ve had Sam Weideman on our books for six seasons for 49 games and 49 goals?

[WERRIDEE 5,198]

Just now, Chelly said:

What expectations would people have from a full forward in his first year given that we’ve had Sam Weideman on our books for six seasons for 49 games and 49 goals?

None

[Stiff Arm 4,410]

Cal Twomey's latest draft team

[dazzledavey36 48,619]

19 minutes ago, Chelly said:

What expectations would people have from a full forward in his first year given that we’ve had Sam Weideman on our books for six seasons for 49 games and 49 goals?

If you're talking about Andrew as a potential key forward then personally I don't see that in him at all. 

Hasn't shown one bit that he has the capability to play up forward at under 18s level. I see more potential as a ruck but more so down back playing the same role similar to Alir Alir.

At least with Luke Jackson when he went back to Colts level towards the end of 2019 he started to hit the score board when playing up forward as a genuine key forward.

[drdrake 3,035]

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

If you're talking about Andrew as a potential key forward then personally I don't see that in him at all. 

Hasn't shown one bit that he has the capability to play up forward at under 18s level. I see more potential as a ruck but more so down back playing the same role similar to Alir Alir.

At least with Luke Jackson when he went back to Colts level towards the end of 2019 he started to hit the score board when playing up forward as a genuine key forward.

Bloody hard assessing players from Victoria, you basically have 2 years of little to no football.  There was most likely more PSA football than NAB U19 football this year in Victoria.

I liked Johnson from WA last week, really good size moved well and found a lot of the footy.  The other one from WA was no 34 blond player in the middle.

 

[dazzledavey36 48,619]

24 minutes ago, drdrake said:

Bloody hard assessing players from Victoria, you basically have 2 years of little to no football.  There was most likely more PSA football than NAB U19 football this year in Victoria.

I liked Johnson from WA last week, really good size moved well and found a lot of the footy.  The other one from WA was no 34 blond player in the middle.

 

Incredibly hard.

Once again a lot of the recruiting will once again go off footage that's been recorded throughout games and also limited form this year as well.

[drdrake 3,035]

22 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Incredibly hard.

Once again a lot of the recruiting will once again go off footage that's been recorded throughout games and also limited form this year as well.

It is going to be interesting to see the on going effects of the last 2 years on any athlete from all sports that are 15-16 years old.  Younger than that you have a chance to still get the body of work in you need but the 15-16yo have lost 2 years of really important development.

[Whispering_Jack 27,884]

1 hour ago, drdrake said:

It is going to be interesting to see the on going effects of the last 2 years on any athlete from all sports that are 15-16 years old.  Younger than that you have a chance to still get the body of work in you need but the 15-16yo have lost 2 years of really important development.

The kids who want to make it in that age group will put in the necessary work.

[drdrake 3,035]

 

12 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

The kids who want to make it in that age group will put in the necessary work.

Agree, they can keep fitness up but the 14-16 age group is a really important stage of development, you start to really learn how to play the game.

[Freddy Fuschia 660]

Been announced that the Draft Combine has been cancelled and instead, combines will proceed in the states when and where permitted by government Covid19 rules. 

[Whispering_Jack 27,884]

The AFL Draft Central Power Rankings for September, 2021 are out. 

The list goes down to #30. The player named in that position is an excellent young key position player Jacob van Rooyen who was close to BOG in the recent Under 19 national championship match for WA v SA. There are some handy players outside the 30 described as being “in the mix” so Jason Taylor should have plenty to work on come draft night even if a club snatched Mac Andrew out of our clutches.

Draft Central Power Rankings: September 2021

[ChaserJ 3,956]

On 9/1/2021 at 7:45 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

Isn't he a NGA to one of the Adelaide clubs?

I believe he was initially in Ports NGA squad, but doesn't appear to still be tied (would go too high for them to match anyway). He's free to anyone with a pick in the 10-16 range.  Maybe higher with a few more eye catching performances.

[ChaserJ 3,956]

On 9/3/2021 at 10:51 AM, Whispering_Jack said:

I also think that the perceived evenness of the draft is going to help Jason Taylor this year. However, I cant really see how we can improve our draft position without trading some players out at the end of the year.  The are some benefits of finishing in the top four and that is that your team depth puts you in a position where you have some eminently tradeable players who can move elsewhere in the hope of getting games and progressing their careers. I would like to think we can end up with at least a selection in the first round.

As to moving for a tall forward, if some of the drafts being put out by the experts are right, we might get a handy key forward prospect this year. There are a few in the WA under 19 state team that I like as future players.

Players could net us picks,  also would expect us to dangle our future first again to get a '21 first rounder in.

Would imagine the Dogs pick will be in play with Darcy to be matched much higher than their 1st rd pick, possibly GWS' pick 13 is worth targeting.

Whether we end up taking any picks we trade in to the draft, or whether we get deep into other trade scenarios will be interesting.

Edited September 6, 2021 by ChaserJ

[Elwood 3184 1,263]

1 hour ago, ChaserJ said:

Players could net us picks,  also would expect us to dangle our future first again to get a '21 first rounder in.

Would imagine the Dogs pick will be in play with Darcy to be matched much higher than their 1st rd pick, possibly GWS' pick 13 is worth targeting.

Whether we end up taking any picks we trade in to the draft, or whether we get deep into other trade scenarios will be interesting.

While the club has other fish to fry at this point in time, no doubt JT and TL are working out strategies to improve the club’s draft position as happened last year. No club can afford to stand still.

[Whispering_Jack 27,884]

Chris Doerre has put out his September Power rankings on ESPN (and on bigfooty where he’s known as Knightmare). 

AFL Draft - September's Power Rankings: Two father-sons in the likely first three picks

Like most of the draft pundits, he has two father-son players in the likely first three picks and what follows reflects a diversity of thinking about the top prospects resulting in part from the interruption to a large portion of the season through the lockdowns.

[buck_nekkid 5,457]

42 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Chris Doerre has put out his September Power rankings on ESPN (and on bigfooty where he’s known as Knightmare). 

AFL Draft - September's Power Rankings: Two father-sons in the likely first three picks

Like most of the draft pundits, he has two father-son players in the likely first three picks and what follows reflects a diversity of thinking about the top prospects resulting in part from the interruption to a large portion of the season through the lockdowns.

Thanks WJ.  I find the ‘weaknesses’ list interesting.  Given we will want whomever we get to have footy smarts, a strong defensive work rate and quality delivery, it rules many out.  Mac Andrew will not get the luxury of jumping by himself in AFL too often so his weakness of not coping when man on man is a concern.  Much longer term prospect perhaps.

I think we may not trouble the top end of the draft pool this year.  

at the moment I can’t really focus beyond the game(s) ahead, good thing TL and JT are on the case.

[Colm 1,473]

On 9/3/2021 at 10:51 AM, Whispering_Jack said:

I also think that the perceived evenness of the draft is going to help Jason Taylor this year. However, I cant really see how we can improve our draft position without trading some players out at the end of the year.  The are some benefits of finishing in the top four and that is that your team depth puts you in a position where you have some eminently tradeable players who can move elsewhere in the hope of getting games and progressing their careers. I would like to think we can end up with at least a selection in the first round.

As to moving for a tall forward, if some of the drafts being put out by the experts are right, we might get a handy key forward prospect this year. There are a few in the WA under 19 state team that I like as future players.

I’m sure if we are very keen on a player in the 20-30 pick range we could move up if we wanted too. We would prob have to lose a bit on draft point but I’m sure it could be done. Pies, Dogs, Suns and Richmond would be open to swaps for different reasons I think. 
If nothing else I’d like to get in front of the cats as they seem to target players that we are interested in.