James Frawley Retires... And Starts Playing Again

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On 11/27/2020 at 12:59 PM, hardtack said:

I really cannot understand comments such as this. 

Being an AFL footballer is a career, just like any other career that any one of us might have (or have had), and so, AFL footballers, look to improve themselves and secure their futures, just like any of us do.  I had a career as a Technical Writer and when my manager left to go to a bigger and better company, he contacted me and asked if I'd like to move and join him at that company on better wages, with better conditions, and with more talented developers; I jumped at it, as I'm sure most would, and it certainly did not diminish my caring about doing the best work that I possibly could... in fact it had the exact opposite affect, it reinvigorated me.

On the flip side of that coin, I was working at a company called Oracle and at the age of 62 was made redundant.  Not so different to an AFL club delisting or trading players who are now surplus to their needs.  Do you regard the MFC with the same disdain, for only caring about winning flags and attracting large sponsorships at the expense of players like Oscar McDonald?  Has that diminished your love of football?

This, 100%. People complaining about Frawley 'mailing it in' have obviously never decided to move jobs. They're obviously still sitting around the company they joined when they were 18, miserable about the fact that the company continues to underperform the industry, but too loyal to leave for more money and some success. They're obviously not grown up enough to realise that a job is a job and they can always see the mates they've 'left behind' on the weekends like the rest of us. Assuming that they even like the people they are working with, which is a big assumption in any organisation, football clubs included. 

As if. 

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On 11/29/2020 at 3:06 AM, Ohio USA - David said:

I believe that playing a Team sport is different  at the AFL  sporting level and is quite different than a "day job" in some ways that you and I enjoy. These players are on performance contracts and that contract encompasses a Team attitude to win ultimate glory - a Premiership flag for The Team and its members. There is little loyalty in a Club these days......Should a player leave a Team for another Club then he does it selfishly for money and other glory and not for the spirit of the Team he left behind. Just read the St Kilda Web site where Frawley speaks of how lovely it is to be at St Kilda and his reasoning...  Wipe away the BS and you begin to see it is for money $$$  There is no loyalty to The Team.. You can disagree with me all you like  but I am entitled to my own opinion.

 

What a load of bunk.

I'm on a base salary and a bonus that is almost entirely linked to company performance. 

Tell the me the difference - I'd love to hear it.

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3 hours ago, Undeeterred said:

What a load of bunk.

I'm on a base salary and a bonus that is almost entirely linked to company performance. 

Tell the me the difference - I'd love to hear it.

I don't want to buy into the general argument here, but if you get a bonus just because the company does well even if you didn't shine, then there is a difference.  (Also bonuses are not the same as getting better future contracts.)

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On 12/1/2020 at 11:56 AM, Ohio USA - David said:

Oh grow up. You know what I mean..  To spell it out in baby English... A Contracted player is a player whose 100% loyalty is to the Club ... As his 100% loyalty is to the Club therefore the Club own the terms of the contract for that player for the term of the contract 

On your own there David.  Doubt u would find anyone that agrees with your comments.

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11 hours ago, Undeeterred said:

This, 100%. People complaining about Frawley 'mailing it in' have obviously never decided to move jobs. They're obviously still sitting around the company they joined when they were 18, miserable about the fact that the company continues to underperform the industry, but too loyal to leave for more money and some success. They're obviously not grown up enough to realise that a job is a job and they can always see the mates they've 'left behind' on the weekends like the rest of us. Assuming that they even like the people they are working with, which is a big assumption in any organisation, football clubs included. 

As if. 

Wow this is the most ridiculous thing posted here for a long time. How the hell can you compare a guy who hardly turned up for his 'job' to someone who still busts their rear end after 18 years at a company. And why is it stupid to stay and help the company out instead of bailing when it gets tough like you obviously did. Average comment.

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As supporters we are all loyal. But how can we expect our players to feel like we do, when clubs give no loyalty to their players: look at OMac and the attempts to get rid of his brother. It starts with the draft, when a young man is recruited regardless of who he barracks for wants to play for. And on this site I have seen it seriously suggested that we get rid of Gawn, FFS! So where is loyalty supposed to come from?

As I remember it, in an attempt to tank we once played Chip on the forward line, making him look,  and no doubt feel, foolish. I don’t blame him leaving for greener pastures. The club’s job is to make OUR pastures green enough. And we should try to convince our players that one-club players get something in tangible in terms of the love of their supporters. That is an attractive asset, it seems to me,

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On 11/28/2020 at 9:05 PM, Uncle Fester said:

Nah a flag is a flag. I left one club where I played in a flag, to another where I won back to back. All three are as good as each other

A flag is a flag as you say 'Uncle' but there is always the one...

[Sir Why You Little 34,420]

The MFC has one job ultimately . To Win Premierships, and to do this contracts x amount of young players each year to compete 

Since 1964 we have failed to fulfill our duty and purpose, from the Boardroom to the players. 
too many players have left the MFC and found Premiership Glory elsewhere. 
It sucks and it proves that this club is not held in high esteem. 
Meanwhile the Club that lives 100 metres from us has won 3 out of the last 4 Premierships.