Dees Reviewing Senior Footy Department Positions

[Cheap Seats 3,300]

40 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I was told of a huge reshuffle last week. 
no names were given, but it was a “Watch this space” so i am not at all Suprised if Mahoney goes. But who will fill his role, if he does go??

Interesting times ahead.

Change always brings excitement, and of the review finds it's time for change than so be it.

While we haven't had the success we have all been craving i for one dont think Mahoney has been bad at his role.

If it is time for change good luck to him, he is a ripper guy and sometimes your time up

[KLV 1,626]

2 hours ago, Vineytime said:

Brett Anderson, former Inside footy / draft guru and mad demon supporter now working in Port Adelaide’s recruitment team would be a good person to reach out to get into our recruitment team. 
Ports recruitment has been exceptionally good the last few years and Brett is a vital part of that team. 

Wondered where Brett had gone, he was great on SEN at trade time, assumed he was another hutchy cast off.

[Sir Why You Little 34,430]

28 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Interesting times ahead.

Change always brings excitement, and of the review finds it's time for change than so be it.

While we haven't had the success we have all been craving i for one dont think Mahoney has been bad at his role.

If it is time for change good luck to him, he is a ripper guy and sometimes your time up

It’s nothing personal, but there may be better ways to do a job. We need the best. 
over the last 2 years we haven’t performed 

[Demons1858 1,658]

gubby allen with links to Collingwood and Pert would be available

[Cards13 9,117]

6 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

gubby allen with links to Collingwood and Pert would be available

Didn’t Allen get suspended for hiding Whitfield from drug testers?  

[Sir Why You Little 34,430]

1 minute ago, Cards13 said:

Didn’t Allen get suspended for hiding Whitfield from drug testers?  

Gubby is employed at The Aints right now i think. I am sure i heard commentators talking about him Pre Game last weekend

[Demons1858 1,658]

9 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Gubby is employed at The Aints right now i think. I am sure i heard commentators talking about him Pre Game last weekend

think its a consultant type role but could be wrong ... may be interested in a full time gig

[ChaserJ 3,963]

Speaking of recruiting consultants, what’s Chris Pelchen up to these days?

[dazzledavey36 48,707]

 

Seems to align with what some have already said on here about a potential general manager's role.

[drdrake 3,037]

I don't see why this is a big deal, even on footy classified last night it was made out to be something not good for the club.  Every club will do a review of all personal at the end of the season.  You want to get better and you need to ensure to have the right people/structures in place to do this.  If there are better people available for roles with in your club you get them.

Some clubs will decide that they are happy with the current staff and direction, others like us that need to take the next step and improve.  It is more important now as you need to reduce your soft cap spend, you want to review to make the right calls. 

[Demon3 2,541]

52 minutes ago, drdrake said:

I don't see why this is a big deal, even on footy classified last night it was made out to be something not good for the club.  Every club will do a review of all personal at the end of the season.  You want to get better and you need to ensure to have the right people/structures in place to do this.  If there are better people available for roles with in your club you get them.

Some clubs will decide that they are happy with the current staff and direction, others like us that need to take the next step and improve.  It is more important now as you need to reduce your soft cap spend, you want to review to make the right calls. 

Couldn't agree more Dr.  I think the fact that we had such a public review last year and we blew a chance to make finals heaps more pressure on teh club. The media will make a big deal out if this, but every year we dont make finals i want a review, the competition is about making the last 8.. review until you get it right, if its nor right, you go again until you get the mix right.

[Lucifers Hero 36,991]

15 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Couldn't agree more Dr.  I think the fact that we had such a public review last year and we blew a chance to make finals heaps more pressure on teh club. The media will make a big deal out if this, but every year we dont make finals i want a review, the competition is about making the last 8.. review until you get it right, if its nor right, you go again until you get the mix right.

Huh!!  Maybe to Melbourne (and its supporters) making the 8 is the goal.  Other clubs are chasing their next piece of silverware!  For some anything less than top 4 is a failed season. 

In terms of review after review after review 'until you get the mix right':  how many chances do people get if they regularly get it wrong?

Edited October 5, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[drdrake 3,037]

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Huh!!  Maybe to Melbourne (and its supporters) making the 8 is the goal.  Other clubs are chasing their next piece of silverware!  For some anything less than top 4 is a failed season. 

In terms of review after review after review:  how many chances do people get if they regularly get it wrong?

We need an expectation that we are a top 4 side or working towards this, just scraping into the finals isn't good enough.  

Any business or in this instance Football Club that doesn't continually review is doomed to fail.  You need to make changes to make you better, getting it wrong is OK as long as your learn and adjust.  Even Richmond will do a review of all personal at seasons end, they know they have to get better to stay at the top.  

[Lucifers Hero 36,991]

2 minutes ago, drdrake said:

We need an expectation that we are a top 4 side or working towards this, just scraping into the finals isn't good enough.  

Any business or in this instance Football Club that doesn't continually review is doomed to fail.  You need to make changes to make you better, getting it wrong is OK as long as your learn and adjust.  Even Richmond will do a review of all personal at seasons end, they know they have to get better to stay at the top.  

I'm all for regular reviews and changes for the better.  My question was how many chances is someone given to' get it right' if they regularly don't and we don't improve. 

On your basis we could get it wrong, learn, adjust, get it wrong, learn, adjust ad infinitum.  It has been happening for too long and it isn't acceptable any longer.

[Demon3 2,541]

11 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Huh!!  Maybe to Melbourne (and its supporters) making the 8 is the goal.  Other clubs are chasing their next piece of silverware!  For some anything less than top 4 is a failed season. 

In terms of review after review after review 'until you get the mix right':  how many chances do people get if they regularly get it wrong?

You know what i mean, you cant win the flag unless you play finals. every team wants to win a flag, but first you have to play finals..

Football clubs are no different to corporations, always reviewing, always changing or at least aiming to change, i agree, lots of chance sin this club, but whats the alternative.. no do anything, we have to keep thriving to get the best set up, its on the club.. do i have faith?, its hard to with this club as i believe professionalism and MFC do not go hand in hand at all..  BUt have to keep going forward.

[sue 8,418]

Sorry to air my ignorance, but I'd be grateful if anyone can provide a list of job titles in a FD and what they actually do - like a duty statement.  For example, what does the football manager actually manage?

[Lucifers Hero 36,991]

Just now, Demon3 said:

You know what i mean, you cant win the flag unless you play finals. every team wants to win a flag, but first you have to play finals..

Football clubs are no different to corporations, always reviewing, always changing or at least aiming to change, i agree, lots of chance sin this club, but whats the alternative.. no do anything, we have to keep thriving to get the best set up, its on the club.. do i have faith?, its hard to with this club as i believe professionalism and MFC do not go hand in hand at all..  BUt have to keep going forward.

The alternative is to change the people that keep making the wrong decisions and those that are 'round pegs in square holes'. 

I've lost faith in the FD department.  I'm looking to Pert to take decisive action to ensure all parts of the FD are functioning effectively.

[SFebes 4,692]

I don't see how this "internal" review is any different to any other club or any other team, it happens across any organisation.

What we want and need is an external review, done by non melbourne, non bias industry leaders. I don't see what the beat up or surprise is currently, we've changed things around each year and still Goodwin spits them all out.

[Lucifers Hero 36,991]

1 minute ago, sue said:

Sorry to air my ignorance, but I'd be grateful if anyone can provide a list of job titles in a FD and what they actually do - like a duty statement.  For example, what does the football manager actually manage?

Unfortunately, the club no longer publishes a staff list so don't have all the latest names.

The FD structure is:

GM Football - Mahoney.  His director reports are:

• List Manager - Lamb (incl recruitment)
• Coach (and Player Development) - Goodwin
• Sports Science & Medical - Burgess
• Football Admin -
• AFLW Coach - Stinear
• Casey Football Manager - Maynard (I think)
• Technology - ?
• Academy - ?
• Sports Psychologist - ?
• Player Development - ?

[Lord Nev 13,511]

4 minutes ago, SFebes said:

I don't see how this "internal" review is any different to any other club or any other team, it happens across any organisation.

What we want and need is an external review, done by non melbourne, non bias industry leaders. I don't see what the beat up or surprise is currently, we've changed things around each year and still Goodwin spits them all out.

Is it an internal review though? I thought it had been mentioned here and in articles that it was an external one that will hand it's findings to Pert?

[SFebes 4,692]

Just now, Lord Nev said:

Is it an internal review though? I thought it had been mentioned here and in articles that it was an external one that will hand it's findings to Pert?

I'm not sure, I've been away for a week, thought I read previously that the review was being done by Pert? Send through any links or articles to read though?

[drdrake 3,037]

10 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I'm all for regular reviews and changes for the better.  My question was how many chances is someone given to' get it right' if they regularly don't and we don't improve. 

On your basis we could get it wrong, learn, adjust, get it wrong, learn, adjust ad infinitum.  It has been happening for too long and it isn't acceptable any longer.

This will be Pert's first seasons end Review at Melbourne, a fresh set of opinions with no real emotional link to anyone at the club.  2018/19 I agree we got it wrong, turned over some assistant coaches and the one we brought in seem to have little impact.  Burgess was a win and upgrade, medical and conditioning team have performed well our injury list was short all season and we ran out games, something that would have been identified in the 2019 review.

The big question is Mahoney, from what we were told Jackson rated him to step up to take his role, the board went Pert.  He has overseen an under performing Football Team for a number of years, basically he has been the only constant in the club.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

17 minutes ago, SFebes said:

I'm not sure, I've been away for a week, thought I read previously that the review was being done by Pert? Send through any links or articles to read though?

A couple of posters here seem to know about it, I know @A F was one. I can't remember where it was, but I'm sure there was also an article posted here where it mentioned who was doing the review as well.

Plus, an article yesterday mentioned that after the review "Chief executive Gary Pert will be central to the staffing outcomes", which to me sounds like he'll be acting on recommendations.

[old dee 22,848]

33 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The alternative is to change the people that keep making the wrong decisions and those that are 'round pegs in square holes'. 

I've lost faith in the FD department.  I'm looking to Pert to take decisive action to ensure all parts of the FD are functioning effectively.

You are not alone, while we might differ on the quality of the list there is no doubt in my mind that the FD cost us finals this year. There performance in  the first half of the year in particular was deplorable. Selection seemed be made with darts and a team list.

[SFebes 4,692]

3 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

A couple of posters here seem to know about it, I know @A F was one. I can't remember where it was, but I'm sure there was also an article posted here where it mentioned who was doing the review as well.

Plus, an article yesterday mentioned that after the review "Chief executive Gary Pert will be central to the staffing outcomes", which to me sounds like he'll be acting on recommendations.

Yeah saw his post and sounded more like an opinion, have seen nothing official to say its "external"