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Smith........=chook

Tomlinson.......= unfit but tough.

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If we gave Smith a three year contract, he contributed strongly for a flag push for two seasons and had one season of pension padding, that is money extremely well spent in my eyes.

I concur with Nasher. I must be one of the few Demonlanders that think we can salute in 2021.  And I genuinely do. I see shades of Geelong 2006 and Richmond 2016 in this Melbourne side.  Not

Mate, i totally understand people pointing out i got this one wrong. but surely you understand things change in silly season. as of 3 days ago when i last posted this my source of information was very

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1 minute ago, Pollyanna said:

Good get on Suckling.  I guess Brad Hill is a live chance too ...

I was initially going to laugh at your comment as the joke it should be, but 2020 has been a pretty weird year, so a St Kilda flag wouldn't feel out of place. 

 

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9 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

I was initially going to laugh at your comment as the joke it should be, but 2020 has been a pretty weird year, so a St Kilda flag wouldn't feel out of place. 

 

There would be some weird logic if they did win it. I will have ended up in some very low probability branch of the wave function.

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Interesting on Frost. I thought he was very good for the Hawks this year. Picked his moments. Did well one-on-one. No chook with its head cut off runs. Neatish disposal. I put that down to decent coaching.

Back on Smith. Those saying he will improve the team next year, maybe? He has declined considerably over the past two years. Maybe 2021 is the year he hits the wall like Jones and Jetta did for us this year. If you bring him in it is one less person in the right age group that gets a chance to perform/develop. Also, with  the salary cap it prevents you from competing for free agency players that are looking for a bigger pay packet.

You should only top up with 32 year olds if you are:1. An extremely young list. We did this Cross. or 2. In the premiership window. Even then it is a risky business.

We are neither. Our guns are primarily 24-25. They need the support of other guys in that age group.

 

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7 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

There would be some weird logic if they did win it. I will have ended up in some very low probability branch of the wave function.

If you run at the wall enough times then eventually you'll pass right through. 😁

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12 minutes ago, dee-tox said:

He has declined considerably over the past two years.

Will admit to not watching a lot of the Hawks the last 2 years, but statistically speaking he hasn't dropped off.

Remember this year games were 20% shorter and his disposal numbers went down by about that same margin.

 

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If we dont get Smith. Can i ask, why doesnt Christian Salem get a gig on the wing? The idea he doesnt have a tank is not based on evidence.    He was second to Langdon on average distance run in a game. He has our highest speed recorded for 2020 (admittedly this stat seems a little subject to error, but he's definitely not slow).  Simply, he's a great runner and a great kick.  Im probably missing something. Maybe it was tried and i blinked and missed it. 

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1 hour ago, Axis of Bob said:

Interestingly, when Tomlinson was playing as a key defender this year we were 5 wins and 2 losses. With Oscar 3W / 4L. With Joel Smith alone (or just May and Lever),  1W / 2L. 

So he clearly fits the defensive system pretty well and a mobile big body who can keep opponents on the ground in marking contests.

Matt Suckling would have with the Bulldogs had he not injured his achilles int he semi-final.

And let's see what happens with Grant Birchall .... 

Sam Mitchell received 2 years at WC. If hadn't of retired after the first year, he possibly could have played in the 2018 flag instead of assistant coaching them to it?

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10 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

If we dont get Smith. Can i ask, why doesnt Christian Salem get a gig on the wing? The idea he doesnt have a tank is not based on evidence.    He was second to Langdon on average distance run in a game. He has our highest speed recorded for 2020 (admittedly this stat seems a little subject to error, but he's definitely not slow).  Simply, he's a great runner and a great kick.  Im probably missing something. Maybe it was tried and i blinked and missed it. 

I like your thinking. Not sure Salem is that quick off the mark, but he can work up a pace to run down and tackle opponents. Certainly has the disposal and decision-making to be a winger. My question is who would replace Salem as the distributor in defence? 

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I would of tried Salem on the wing personally but I do think he’s too slow.

I.Smith hasn’t really lost any pace or lost his elite kicking. He probably hasn’t stood out that much due to Hawthorns decline the past 2 years, but I’d get him in a heart beat. Won’t cost us a trade, he’s got finals experience, good leader, elite skills, elite running, would increase out efficiency inside 50. All of which we need. If he’s only at the club for 2 years, who gives a rats. We need to get better as a club and play finals consistanty year after year, and ultimately win grand finals. He will help us do these things.

Stuff the logic that we’re not in the premiership window. We’ll challange if we tidy up a few areas and recruit for needs. We’re not as far off as some people think.

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14 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

I like your thinking. Not sure Salem is that quick off the mark, but he can work up a pace to run down and tackle opponents. Certainly has the disposal and decision-making to be a winger. My question is who would replace Salem as the distributor in defence? 

Yea, its a small robbing peter to pay paul situation. But i figure our defence is a lot more settled now (both lever and may effective kicks) and Rivers is a neat kick, I think its worth a decent try.  Maybe he's eternally pigeon holed by Goodwin's preconceived notions and biases.   We cant have another season of winning the ball and not hitting the scoreboard and nothing new considered.  Thats insane. 

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Salem reached the top speed for a Melbourne player on the field in 2020.  But I agree he doesn't look anything above pedestrian.

Salem has played on a wing before, but plays his best footy behind the ball, which is easier and he does it effectively.

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18 minutes ago, BW511 said:

If anyone here has used GPS watches or computers for cycling or running, they are definitely not reliably accurate.

Im not sold that Salem is our quickest for the year

I’ve only used GPS on cycling computers and running for 14 years. They’re highly accurate so you’re right they’re not reliably accurate except for the fact they’re reliably accurate - to the metre.

I’m unclear just what point you’re making 

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6 hours ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

For all the people bagging Tomlinson on a wing....we may have recruited him for that role but he is clearly better in our backline.  He has barely missed a beat all year.  For you baggers you would prefer Omac?  I don't get the angst about him one bit.  He is automatic best 22 and he rarely stands out doing silly things during the course of a game.  Worth the $$$ we spent on him.

What a complete load of crap. Wiffed about a hundred marks played OK towards the end but for a big money free agent he's a dud.

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On 9/14/2020 at 9:36 AM, Clintosaurus said:

Hawks have offered him a 2 year deal, which they normally don't do for over 30s.

According to the press Clint?  The Hawks would be very pleased to offload him to us i reckon.

Seriously in for a world of pain already in 2021 if we think we need a player well past his prime and about to check out.

If this is fair dinkum and goes ahead we have officially turned in to the AFL's legit aged care retirement village and be lucky to win a flag this side of 2070.

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13 hours ago, Stein9193 said:

What a complete load of crap. Wiffed about a hundred marks played OK towards the end but for a big money free agent he's a dud.

He marked most that came his way....i would say watch some of our games some time.  He got better as the year went on.  Not sure what game you are watching lol.  You are way off the mark!

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2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Can someone give a brief summary of the article please..

It's nothing you haven't heard already.

Ralph only mentions us by name as being interested, but apparently other Vic clubs are circling.  Doesn't say who though, so that strikes me as speculation more than anything

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He would be a good get but would prefer Polec.

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The wife who is a Hawks tragic is telling me we have offered Isaac Smith a 2 year deal with the option of a third, not sure on what coin. She thinks the Hawks have offered one year plus a second depending on performance. Interesting! She reckons he will stay.

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On 10/1/2020 at 9:29 AM, Pollyanna said:

I think he's a campaigner but I may feel differently if he's OUR campaigner.

In the Jordan Lewis sense of campaigner, I assume.

I've met him a number of times (not recently) and have never discussed football with him. He doesn't strike me as a campaigner at all. He's quite aloof though. Maybe it's a white line thing

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