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19 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

God I hate Geelong.

Edit - also, what does this mean for their pursuit of Brad Crouch?  Surely they can't get both?

Tigers will now pounce

1 hour ago, The Chazz said:

The salary cap is a rort.  I know Geelong pay outside of it, and I'm sure other clubs are in the same boat.  Sadly, there will never be a perfect system.

Big claim. Spill the beans.

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Sounds like Geelong will give up their three 1st round picks and get a future 2nd back for Cameron. A case of Free Agency not going to script!  Geelong were committed.  GWS knew it.  Good on

I have no issue with either Cameron or Geelong here, but the Free Agency thing clearly isn't doing as intended.

Which is exactly what the AFL wants.  Gil referring to the upcoming GF as the dream match up. Teams like us, Norf and the Aints get further and further away from any chance of a flag every season

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1 hour ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

i think some people are COTTONing ON as to how the cats manage their books...

I wonder who will be the next employee connected to GFC? Maybe someone named Indi?

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If GWS force a trade Geelong can use two first round picks and effectively get him 'cheaply'.

Geelong have picks 11, 13 and 18/19.  They can give 11 and 13 to GWS  (which they got on the back Tim Kelly (a 2018 2nd rnd pick #24)).  See below.

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Very astute trading.  They were preparing their war chest for 2020 FA's with a few targets in mind (Viney, Crouch and Cameron) so if forced to trade they had the currency.

...The pick swap with GCS was borderline legal but the AFL ok'd it.

If they use 11 and 13 it will be 3 players (Cameron, Stephens, Evans) for the original price of Kelly +/- steak knives. They will do even better if they don't use both picks in a Cameron trade.

I hope GWS (and Adelaide if Geelong go for Crouch) force trades to soak up those 3 first round draft picks. 

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It’s our own fault we are not a destination club and we need to fix it but that seems really difficult for some reason. 
 

We were on our way with Roos and Jackson but since Roos more so left we have gone south. THIS is the problem. 
 

A good type player will look at the way the top teams play then look at us and the way we play. It’s no contest. If I were a player I wouldn’t choose us either  Generally the only way to get a player to the lower clubs is by giving them crazy $$$$$$$$$$$$$

I wish I could change who I support but unfortunately I am so invested in this nut house I couldn’t do it. 
 

Players want to go to well run and well COACHED clubs. It’s not hard to understand why. 

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2 hours ago, Grimes Times said:

Big claim. Spill the beans.

Not saying this about Geelong but there are lots of ways friends of a club can give players benefits:  jobs for family members, paid education, free use of sporting/holiday facilities, post footy career jobs, discounts on any number of purchases and services etc etc.  All on a handshake of course.

Technically they should be caught in the sal cap as '3rd party payments' but not sure if the AFL police them anymore.  Suspect clubs would be very good to ensure there is no audit trail.

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1 hour ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

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Is Cotton On a major sponsor of the Cats?

They are definitely cheating the cap some how.     Just like they cheated their way to flags with Dank and the Weapon.

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2 hours ago, Win4theAges said:

Naysmith couldn't clean Thiago and Van Dijks boots.

Stay classy, the ability of the player determines how bad the act is does it.

Pathetic

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45 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Is Cotton On a major sponsor of the Cats?

They are one of the Cats sponsors, that is the point of that joke tweet.

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Next you guys will be telling me that there is a welcome cocktail party for members of the Williams and Saad families, who are joining Visy, at their head office.

Oh there is!

Apparently the De Goey and Oliver families have been uninvited.

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The only positive out of this is GWS are pretty screwed. Williams and Cameron and two massive losses. the writing is on the wall, a lot of other giants will be calling their agents to flee the sinking ship.  Hopefully we can snag a Kelly/Greene/Himmelberg/Whitfield at some point

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Was it Mitch Clark's girlfriend who we were picking up her tab for university? I can't remember now.

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Definitely not saying this as gospel but I thought there were some cheeky deals done somewhere along the lines with real estate a little while back while Bomber Thompson was coach. 

If they have been able to make salary cap room for Cameron, given their already high amount of "stars" at the club, it's quite an achievement of book keeping.

I'd love us to go hard after him, but I suspect he's looking to go to one of the big clubs. 

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Didnt a club just recently offer a new car to a player as an incentive to swap over clubs? That one is pretty obvious. Any range of sponsors or like minded companies can offer incentives outside TPP.

Salary cap is for appearances only. Typical Gil. Nothing to see here!

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4 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Didnt a club just recently offer a new car to a player as an incentive to swap over clubs? That one is pretty obvious. Any range of sponsors or like minded companies can offer incentives outside TPP.

Salary cap is for appearances only. Typical Gil. Nothing to see here!

The rules say they should be included in the TPP (unless for approved and declared 'marquee' payments) as it is a form of cheating the salary cap.

MFCSS says if we did it, some disgruntled ex-player, ex-official would 'sing' and we would be fined for 'not doing something everyone else does' ala fine for 'not tanking'.

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2 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The rules say they should be included in the TPP (unless for approved and declared 'marquee' payments) as it is a form of cheating the salary cap.

MFCSS says if we did it, some disgruntled ex-player, ex-official would 'sing' and we would be fined for 'not doing something everyone else does' ala fine for 'not tanking'.

Yes, would be just our luck

However, Jaguar could 'loan' a player a lovely new car for the terms of the contract. Or Tourism NT 'gives' a family holiday during the off season to a recruit. Or a sponsor sells a block of land at a remarkably cheap price along the coast to a sister of player X

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39 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Yes, would be just our luck

However, Jaguar could 'loan' a player a lovely new car for the terms of the contract. Or Tourism NT 'gives' a family holiday during the off season to a recruit. Or a sponsor sells a block of land at a remarkably cheap price along the coast to a sister of player X

The modern corporate equivalent of brown paper bags I suppose 

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54 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

The modern corporate equivalent of brown paper bags I suppose 

Yes, indeed. Wouldnt be too hard to do on the sly, but it only takes one fu** up to have it come out and the AFL to be pushed to act. Look at what that lovely fellow Brock McLean did last time!

I wish someone would give me one of those new brown paper bags, Uncle!

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Since he’s nominated Geelong as his club of choice, he’s no longer of direct relevance to the MFC recruiting drive. 

Shipping this thread off to the Melbourne Demons Board where it will stay unless the situation changes.

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On 10/20/2020 at 10:48 AM, Jjrogan said:

Serious question, can someone explain how is the competition's fairness undermined by free agency?  Every team has to follow a salary cap doesnt it? Its not as if some clubs have extra dollars to spend, its about effectively managing the resources that you have?

If a player wants to take less money to go to a 'destination club' surely thats the result of the club having other positives to offer other than money.  Isn't that a reward for being good financially, on field etc? Seems more fair than arbitrary zones on a map or academies from which recruit players etc.  

you should go to the other thread discussing your question

but part of the answer is top clubs getting fa's without having to give up any players or picks at all

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