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Sam Blease tweeted this out. It’s easy to be critical, but the club hasn’t been the same since Jr McDonald’s “retirement” club was on the right track until that infamous Geelong game, if they kept bails, the clubs path over the past 10 years would have been completely different IMO

 

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Here are some of the choice words he used: "It was disgraceful.  When you pull on a Melbourne jumper, we don't give them out in Weeties packets" "You have to show respect for the jumper and

Here are a few more that I missed: "I have defended our footy department, our coaches and players my whole tenure but I can't defend that.  How can you defend that? "I said at the start of t

Scathing alright.  Never seen him react this way before. I am also glad that internally they're fuming big time.

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Just now, dees189227 said:

Sam Blease tweeted this out. It’s easy to be critical, but the club hasn’t been the same since Jr McDonald’s “retirement” club was on the right track until that infamous Geelong game, if they kept bails, the clubs path over the past 10 years would have been completely different IMO

 

Sam Blease.  Trusted footy commentator....

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56 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

This team has a history of coming out in key games and not performing.

2016 - Carlton with 2 rounds to go and with 2 wins a fair chance of finals. Absolutely flat.

2017 - last round vs Pies. A win and we’re playing finals. Didn’t turn up.

2018 - prelim.

2019 - 

2020 - a chance to atone. We’ve only really performed for 1 qtr vs Blues, played ok vs Suns and well against a rabble which is the Hawks. Goody pointing to us being just about there, or just off, vs Brisbane is a joke because we were deplorable for 2 qtrs of footy. And didn’t turn up at all on Thursday. We’re barely flat track bullies.

This is not a new problem. What has the club done in the last 4 yrs under Goody to embed a ruthless mindset? I can’t see it.

The 2017 game vs Collingwood gets pointed out (and rightly so) but just as bad was our loss to North in Tassie a couple of weeks before

2018 - not just the Prelim, the game vs the Saints late in the season - you could throw the Queen's Bday and Hawks games in there too

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This is why I love Demonland.

The president gives the ol stern word after a loss, and the masses eat it up.

its the equivalent of posting a black square in social media posts - the ol i did something but you haven't really done anything.

 

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33 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Harmes should be playing the tagging role and I bet my left nut he comes back into form. 
 

Goodwin what r u doing?????????

Who steps out of the centre square for that to happen? Do we move Oliver forward?

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19 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

That was not long after the players gave the Saints lip about 'where will you be in September' sh-t. 

They thought they had made finals and didn't need to make an effort.  Making finals was enough.  Big surprise was in store for the lads.  They didn't.

The Saints game was in 2018

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19 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Sam Blease tweeted this out. It’s easy to be critical, but the club hasn’t been the same since Jr McDonald’s “retirement” club was on the right track until that infamous Geelong game, if they kept bails, the clubs path over the past 10 years would have been completely different IMO

 

Sorry Sam i cannot agree

This Club has been soft a lot longer than 186

 

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4 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

It's good to see to be honest.  Those quotes about probably encapsulate most of the things that have been posted on here in the last 36 hours.

One thing I got out of it was that he won't tolerate these sort of performances.  If they continue then I can see Bartlett swinging the axe and moving on as quickly as possible.  

However, you would like to think that in the coming weeks we'll make the right response and put Thursday night well and truly behind us.  I'm hopeful that it was the rocket we need to get ourselves into gear.

My worry is we will come out with fire and knock winless Adelaide off, maybe take a few more cellar dwelling scalps in the next few weeks, then the players will settle into last week's headspace again. Infuriating.

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9 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Sorry Sam i cannot agree

This Club has been soft a lot longer than 186

 

Agree.  Other than the period between the last 8 weeks of the 1987 season until the end of 1991( and even then there were some inexplicable fluctuations in performance from round to round) I'd say we have had a softness to us even when we've been playing reasonable footy.  The Northey coached teams were generally hard edged, gave a genuine effort mostly and their record, although they didn't get the ultimate success, was very good against the power teams of that era - Hawthorn, Carlton and Essendon.  That was the real measure of relative hardness and softness and we stood up more often than not against the very best. 5 consecutive years of making at least the second week of finals was an outstanding effort.  Before and since, we have been very flaky.  The Daniher teams were frequently up and down on an evens/odds pattern, Balme's sides were down more than up and thrashed frequently and everyone is aware of our record since 2007. Since Daniher left, Goodwin is now our longest serving coach.  It's an unusual record he is putting together. Since we dropped that prelim final we've won 8 games.  We've beaten Gold Coast twice, Carlton twice, Hawthorn twice and Fremantle and Sydney once each.  4 of those games have been won by less than a goal.  It's not a stellar record by any means. 

I think our attack on the ball is generally good (hard and all that) but mentally we just aren't there. And unfortunately we haven't been for more than 50 years.  How does that change ? 

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36 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The Saints game was in 2018

Incorrect. The game where the Dees players allegedly taunted the Saints players about not making finals was in 2017. The Dees also did not make finals that year.

In 2018 we made the finals but lost to St. Kilda by 2 points.

Melbourne player's massive sledge backfire against St Kilda

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3 minutes ago, Swooper1987 said:

Agree.  Other than the period between the last 8 weeks of the 1987 season until the end of 1991( and even then there were some inexplicable fluctuations in performance from round to round) I'd say we have had a softness to us even when we've been playing reasonable footy.  The Northey coached teams were generally hard edged, gave a genuine effort mostly and their record, although they didn't get the ultimate success, was very good against the power teams of that era - Hawthorn, Carlton and Essendon.  That was the real measure of relative hardness and softness and we stood up more often than not against the very best. 5 consecutive years of making at least the second week of finals was an outstanding effort.  Before and since, we have been very flaky.  The Daniher teams were frequently up and down on an evens/odds pattern, Balme's sides were down more than up and thrashed frequently and everyone is aware of our record since 2007. Since Daniher left, Goodwin is now our longest serving coach.  It's an unusual record he is putting together. Since we dropped that prelim final we've won 8 games.  We've beaten Gold Coast twice, Carlton twice, Hawthorn twice and Fremantle and Sydney once each.  4 of those games have been won by less than a goal.  It's not a stellar record by any means. 

I think our attack on the ball is generally good (hard and all that) but mentally we just aren't there. And unfortunately we haven't been for more than 50 years.  How does that change ? 

The Club has been soft for most of our shocking 56 years

Which is why we are here, now, & still in the same position 

Sam Blease is just wrong sadly. Cameron Schwab should have gone that day, but how much difference would that have made??

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42 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The Saints game was in 2018

August 29, 2017:  melbourne-players-massive-sledge-backfire-against-saints

“Late in that (fourth) quarter, there were some sledges directed from Melbourne players to St Kilda players along the lines of ‘what are you blokes doing in September?’” Warner said.

“And as we know, it’s turned out none of them are doing much in September.” 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Incorrect. The game where the Dees players allegedly taunted the Saints players about not making finals was in 2017. The Dees also did not make finals that year.

In 2018 we made the finals but lost to St. Kilda by 2 points.

Yes 2017

The same time the Club released a Video of Nathan Jones making the Final Series, before it happened....

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2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes 2017

The same time the Club released a Video of Nathan Jones making the Final Series, before it happened....

I thought it was just the “How to get finals tickets” mail out. 

 Where is this video? 

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Just now, Demonland said:

I thought it was just the “How to get finals tickets” mail out. 

 Where is this video? 

Hopefully deleted for all time

it wasn’t good

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9 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

You know the wheels are falling off when Wiseblood stops pulling his punches.

Nah, he is just trying to win the popularity stakes...😎

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1 hour ago, dees189227 said:

Sam Blease tweeted this out. It’s easy to be critical, but the club hasn’t been the same since Jr McDonald’s “retirement” club was on the right track until that infamous Geelong game, if they kept bails, the clubs path over the past 10 years would have been completely different IMO

 

 

41 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Sorry Sam i cannot agree

This Club has been soft a lot longer than 186

 

You are both right.  Jr was summarily dismissed at the end of 2010.  The infamous 186 game was July 2011 and the late Dean Bailey was fired.

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3 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

 

You are both right.  Jr was summarily dismissed at the end of 2010.  The infamous 186 game was July 2011 and the late Dean Bailey was fired.

Oh i know that. But 186 was the ultimate “soft” game. That should have been the last time this [censored] should have ever been discussed. 
But here we are 9 years later with exactly the same situation 

 

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I was wondering before the game given what the city Melbourne is going through compared to every other in the country this would have motivated the boys a bit more than p.a. given they wear its name. Nope.

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I have read most of this thread. Most of the points are spot on 

its good to see management saying what many supporters feel. Might be many reasons for it but it was terrible. 

talk about an advertisement for our brand!

It’s the coaches and FD job to manage the reasons and days between games and the players rest and recovery.  Let alone pick the right players to play on opposing players. And it’s not good enough!

 

perhaos it should not have been said aloud outside the club but I for one am pleased, maybe they do feel the same as I do,   fFS The  next game  needs to never better,   

Proud to belong Proud to give.....why?

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42 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

You know the wheels are falling off when Wiseblood stops pulling his punches.

 

Not sure what you mean here. 

I just posted the quotes for those to read who couldn't get past the pay wall without posting the full article, which is against site rules. 

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2 hours ago, DemonOX said:

Harmes should be playing the tagging role and I bet my left nut he comes back into form. 
 

Goodwin what r u doing?????????

You Know the answer to that question!

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Reads like a frustrated executive. The board has done everything right by the club and players and football department. Backed them in, thrown money at talent, brought in fitness gurus, and held off grim financial results to get us into a better position. Fans have donated hundreds of thousands of dollars. Bartlett and co. backed in the coach and team last year but we went in on Thursday night with a near full list to choose from. 

He sounds like he feels helpless. The back office have played their role, established stability and invested in this group. I can definitely see how that performance may sting and feel like a slap in the face to Bartlett and co. Would sting a different kind of hard compared to fans because the board has worked extremely hard to get us into a strong position with sound fondations. The last piece of the puzzle is winning.

In all honesty though I think this is the beginning of the end of the Goodwin era rather than the kickstarting of anything spectacular. It was a rocket the club and playing group needed but I've come to realise we just aren't that good. 

Suspect this will create some tension and a bit of a fire in the playing group but don't be surprised if we lose to Adelaide. Like I said: beginning of the end. I've seen enough of Goodwin and this team to know that.

Will happily take the loss if I'm proven wrong.

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