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1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

 

"I have defended our footy department, our coaches and players my whole tenure but I can't defend that.  How can you defend that?

 

For me the order is the key here. Time for the focus to go onto the fd and goody.

It is their job to get the team ready and to make the right selections.

They have made mistakes after mistakes this year.

Predicting footy would be fast after the covid break. Selecting team based on this prediction, most notably Smith down back and one forward. Wrong and wrong.

Taking too long to change selections. Wrong.

Ironically when speed actually needed selection of Jones and a third tall who is not in AFL shape and is slow as lockdown. 

And selecting another inside ball winner in a team full of them. He actually played well but we needed run and they played Brayshaw on the wing where his complete lack of pace was once again exposed. He was swapping with Jones for God's sake. Slow, slow  slow.

Picking tmac was an inexplicable decision. And perhaps the worst decision all season.

Leaving aside playing 3 talls on a predictably dewy night and the fact they had no synergy (And were barely on tbe ground at the same time) every demon fan would have in their rights to assume he was in ripping nick and back to peak fitness. Instead he was nowhere near that. Which of course they must have known. How on God's earth do they then pick him.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Elwood 3184 said:

Not so sure that it was the right thing for the President to come out and give his players a whack for being “soft as butter” for that performance after a four day break.

Perhaps he could look at the people who make decisions at the club? Was it wise to centre the Queensland hub on the Sunshine Coast mandating a one and a half hour drive to the Gabba and a further hour to Metricon for the team’s matches?

Perhaps the club could have looked at the policy of minimal changes after a four day break?

Perhaps they could have looked at the idea of using three tall forwards and match strategies that despite this, saw us being constantly out marked up forward with the talls nowhere in sight or the midfield’s exposure for the second week in a row after winning the majority of tap outs?

Perhaps he might have noticed that the players had no petrol in the tank from virtually the start of the game and asked why a team that played on the Sunday night before was picked to play the four day break first of all of the 18 team when the club could have asked for the Brisbane Lions game to have been put back a day to enable Melbourne v Port to be played in an equal footing?

Yes - the players were [email protected] but the responsibility for that effort was all over the place and lay not just with them. They deserve more support from their leadership - the sprays should remain within the club. They might make supporters feel better but will they help the team?

This is exactly what he meant when he said this

""I said at the start of the year we are absolutely going to be a club of no excuses.  I don't want any excuses.  I started to hear about a four day turnaround... Well we have been talking about how ready and fit we are.  Don't talk about that, even as supporters."

 

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Clearly Bartlett is angry but as he is a practical man cant help but think he has read the mood of the crowd.  Lets hope he does some digging and finds out why they were pathetic. Still not a Melb man when he suggest he, West Coast player and perty, Lions and pies player cant get out there and help. The last thing we want is for the players to be fired up and come out and play the only way they know, manic.

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2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Here are some of the choice words he used:

"It was disgraceful.  When you pull on a Melbourne jumper, we don't give them out in Weeties packets"

"You have to show respect for the jumper and the fans, and apart from a few blokes last night, it was an insipid performance.  It wasn't Melbourne-like and it won't be tolerated going forward"

"We pride ourselves on a tough, competitive brand of footy and on providing entertainment in the way we play.  We were on the right track in the last three weeks but that was as soft as butter"

"Not everyone (was soft), but it's a numbers game and I was scratching my head as to what I was watching as I'm sure were so many Melbourne fans.  It was so un-Melbourne like and I never want to see that again"

He didn't pull any punches!

That's the first rocket i've heard (publicly) out of the club regarding an awful performance since PJ.  Long overdue.  The match against the Cats was just as appalling, but unfolded in a different manner.  And much of that should have been directed at Goody behind closed doors for effectively conceding defeat from the opening bounce with the style / structure and method used for most of the game (pressure at a massive low ebb in the first half gifting the Cat's a big lead and pretty much the match).

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If this is what he said in the papers....I hope there were harsher things said to the FDs faces!!!

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This verbal lashing from El Presidente has given me a a new lease on life..... bring on the Crows I say.

 

 

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bartlett has been at pains to maintain his position as a president who works behind the scenes

as such, when he comes out and fires missiles like this i think it's a LOT heavier in terms of what it means

football department appears to FINALLY be under the pressure that the rest of the club believes it should be given the abject ordinariness we've seen over the last one and a half seasons

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1 hour ago, Elwood 3184 said:

Not so sure that it was the right thing for the President to come out and give his players a whack for being “soft as butter” for that performance after a four day break.

Perhaps he could look at the people who make decisions at the club? Was it wise to centre the Queensland hub on the Sunshine Coast mandating a one and a half hour drive to the Gabba and a further hour to Metricon for the team’s matches?

Perhaps the club could have looked at the policy of minimal changes after a four day break?

Perhaps they could have looked at the idea of using three tall forwards and match strategies that despite this, saw us being constantly out marked up forward with the talls nowhere in sight or the midfield’s exposure for the second week in a row after winning the majority of tap outs?

Perhaps he might have noticed that the players had no petrol in the tank from virtually the start of the game and asked why a team that played on the Sunday night before was picked to play the four day break first of all of the 18 team when the club could have asked for the Brisbane Lions game to have been put back a day to enable Melbourne v Port to be played in an equal footing?

Yes - the players were [email protected] but the responsibility for that effort was all over the place and lay not just with them. They deserve more support from their leadership - the sprays should remain within the club. They might make supporters feel better but will they help the team?

Just read this. Great post.

100% spot on. 

As you say there is no argument the players were rubbish.

But my anger is not with them. 

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13 minutes ago, binman said:

For me the order is the key here. Time for the focus to go onto the fd and goody.

It is their job to get the team ready and to make the right selections.

They have made mistakes after mistakes this year.

Predicting footy would be fast after the covid break. Selecting team based on this prediction, most notably Smith down back and one forward. Wrong and wrong.

Taking too long to change selections. Wrong.

Ironically when speed actually needed selection of Jones and a third tall who is not in AFL shape and is slow as lockdown. 

And selecting another inside ball winner in a team full of them. He actually played well but we needed run and they played Brayshaw on the wing where his complete lack of pace was once again exposed. He was swapping with Jones for God's sake. Slow, slow  slow.

Picking tmac was an inexplicable decision. And perhaps the worst decision all season.

Leaving aside playing 3 talls on a predictably dewy night and the fact they had no synergy (And were barely on tbe ground at the same time) every demon fan would have in their rights to assume he was in ripping nick and back to peak fitness. Instead he was nowhere near that. Which of course they must have known. How on God's earth do they then pick him.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

 

Excellent post highlighting many fundamental mistakes at selection.  As you say Bin, speed and explosive burst / smart ball use away from stoppages with a mobile forward line is the key.

The back 6 isn't the issue although i would much prefer seeing Hore in for O-Mac (obviously can't happen at the mo).  As i highlighted last week, O-Mac is easily exposed when you put a mobile athletic type on him.  Port obviously saw that weakness placing Georgiades on him Thurs night with a great result and the opening mark i50 / goal to get them started.

A stay at home forward and Oscar does ok but you have to be sure at selection that that is the way things will definitely pan out on match day.

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Reluctant to post as it’s all too depressing our current state. I’d hate to say it but it seems to me like Goodwin has lost the players and there’s definitely fractures within the club. For Bartlett to come out like this screams of panic, it’s unusual, he tried to create stability for once sticking with Goodwin and extending his contract after scraping into finals but he’s just the wrong coach. 

These issues haven’t just started either, I’ve been banging on about them for a couple of years. Goodwin was the wrong choice as coach considering his background (gambling and injections), the club couldn’t and can’t afford another rookie. Camp, Brayshaw issue, Hogan, ridiculous contract extensions, McCartney, Jones should’ve retired two years ago, captaincy x 2, recruits - May and Lever have been a fail so far and cost us $1.5m pa, Tomlinson and Langdon fails also, no gameplan - same crap every single week, it’s like pulling teeth...this has been going on for years! There’s only so much bash and crash and bruising you can take as a player before it becomes enough, great we win contested footy and get the most entries but we are so poorly coached it isn’t funny. It’s the same issue week after week. There is no tactical nous from Goodwin, his one and only saviour was TomMc forward which worked for a while but he just doesn’t do anything as coach. Don’t even get me started on team selections over the last few years (yes years).

2018 we got on a roll but had an easy draw and from memory didn’t beat a top 8 side all year at time of playing them. The same issues were there all of that year also. 

It still makes me wonder why Roos left in a hurry and didn’t take up his role overseeing Goodwin, then Roos’ team left when he did. 

He might be a nice bloke, I don’t know, but he’s certainly an incapable AFL coach. We need Clarkson or Lyon. And it needs to happen before it’s too late. Goodwin is way out of his depth. 

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Bartlett has to tread very carefully and hope that he has the right personnel in the gun when he fires shots like this. 

Sure the players need a rocket but so does the coaching staff. You can’t just alienate the players and not single out the people instructing them. 

I get that he wants to protect Pert as that was his appointment and Pert has some runs on the board with sponsorship during a [censored] pandemic. 

But if we lose the next two then Bartlett is going to have to either back his decision to extend Goodwin‘s contract or cut him loose. 

I like that he is talking the talk but I want and expect him to walk the walk if the time comes. 

You can’t sack all the players. 

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Goodwin is finished. He can't coach and is deplorable at motivating the players and maintaining their focus. Sad to say that I don't think he is the biggest problem.

Melbournes problem has been the same for decades. It is cultural to give up and roll over when things get tough. Hawthorn will go through a complete rebuild and be back winning flags before us because they have a culture that accepts nothing but winning. We are the exact opposite.

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Why didn't Bartlett say this after the Eagles prelim? That prelim was one of the most disgusting performances I have ever seen, and it clearly didn't spur the players on in 2019. Maybe this rocket is 2 years too late. Typical Goodwin refused to review the game and it has been all downhill since then.

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I was so surprised to read this - a scathing critique from within!

The negative feedback might actually turn from white noise to something they'll listen to.

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Wow. He didn’t miss.

Hard to say it wasn’t warranted. IF fatigue was an issue, then all the trumpeting about how fit and prepared they were with the gun conditioning expert is now looking ridiculous.

In the aftermath I’m finding I’m in a state of bleak acceptance, so props to Bartlett for coming out swinging.

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1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Miss finals this year and a football department review is an absolute must. Mostly to try and address the issues, but also because that's the only way we could then go to the AFL for the money to pay Goodwin out if that's a decision that is made.

 

I think he said on the demonland podcast that they are having a review at the end of the season.  
 

IMO Goodwins job is far from safe if we continue to produce performances like Thursday night. 
 

The rest of the season (not the next 2 weeks against out of form opposition) will show us where we are at and if the players are behind goody or not. 
 

Timing is critical as there are quality coaches around that could be gettable. 

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We need to start to improve with the list we have, none of us want to go through another rebuild.

 

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1 minute ago, deebug said:

We need to start to improve with the list we have, none of us want to go through another rebuild.

 

Clarkson or Ross Lyon would have this team in the top 4.

Gawns dominance would not be wasted.

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Just now, Pickett2Jackson said:

Clarkson or Ross Lyon would have this team in the top 4.

Gawns dominance would not be wasted.

Would love Clarkson as our coach.

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2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

It's good to see to be honest.  Those quotes about probably encapsulate most of the things that have been posted on here in the last 36 hours.

One thing I got out of it was that he won't tolerate these sort of performances.  If they continue then I can see Bartlett swinging the axe and moving on as quickly as possible.  

However, you would like to think that in the coming weeks we'll make the right response and put Thursday night well and truly behind us.  I'm hopeful that it was the rocket we need to get ourselves into gear.

Until the next time it happens

That's the problem with us, we never have lasting and fundamental change just a response for a few weeks to a kick up the bum - then revert to old habits.

Give me multiple seasons in a row of solid performances and I'll believe they've managed to rectify the culture.

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30 minutes ago, binman said:

Just read this. Great post.

100% spot on. 

As you say there is no argument the players were rubbish.

But my anger is not with them. 

On Thursday night the players look lost and unsure what to do when we had the ball and as a result were constantly under pressure and turned it over. 
 

The coach is responsible for the players understanding wtf the game plan is and setting a game plan according to the talent of the players. 

Goody has a lot of work to do to save his job. 

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Genuinely shocked tbh. Bartlett has always been very quiet and measured with his public comments.

I hope this was a measured attack that will get the right reactions from the right people, rather than emotional comments that are going to alienate people.

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2 hours ago, Soidee said:

That was refreshing from Bartlett.  It was needed, the clubs brand is [censored] at the moment and Goodwin and his playing group either respect it or get out.  I watched Mahoney in the podcast, I am now of the view he is part of the problem.  Maybe the club should get Balme to head footy dept!!!

What was Mahoney saying???

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Some interesting comments about where the blame lies and where Bartlett’s aim should be.

Yes, the coaches share a large portion with selection and match strategy (if, as would appear, the players selected were not prepared). And if this continues I dare say Goodwin will be in his sights.

But the players themselves are not blameless. They deserved a whack. And they’ve received it.

The club itself has been soft as butter for far too long. The President saying this publicly might be jarring, but something needs to change from how we’ve treated these performances in the past. The past hasn’t worked.

Any players who take offense are too delicate anyway. I would hope they cop it on the chin and set their sights on redeeming themselves.

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