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4 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Tom Morris was just on otc and said something like he has it on good authority (people that he trusts very much) that if we don’t make finals Goodwin a job is not safe. 
The board is restless, members are restless and the president is restless. 
Gerard Healy said that Bartlett is a lawyer specialising in contract law and that maybe there is a clause in Goodwins contract that would save us paying him out in full. 
 

Wednesday nights game is huge. 

Good Point. Bartlett is a Lawyer.
A 4 year extension without a get out clause would be very negligent 

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Here are some of the choice words he used: "It was disgraceful.  When you pull on a Melbourne jumper, we don't give them out in Weeties packets" "You have to show respect for the jumper and

Here are a few more that I missed: "I have defended our footy department, our coaches and players my whole tenure but I can't defend that.  How can you defend that? "I said at the start of t

Scathing alright.  Never seen him react this way before. I am also glad that internally they're fuming big time.

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5 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I should have narrowed it down to AFL discussion. 

Surely you've heard that the modern day young AFL footballer is less willing to receive criticism and responds less favorably than previous generations. Well that's what I hear when I listen to AFL shows on the radio and watch on TV.

Yes "its said", but by people who like to denigrate others for fun, not by anyone with any real understanding. 

My experience is that millennials and gen Y love constructive criticism and feedback. They look to improve themselves and develop successful, fulfilling careers. They don't like getting a spray from an old fool who doesn't know how to do simple modern tasks. They don't like slugging it out for a pittance while the same old fool is hoarding all the wealth, houses etc. and using exploitative practices such as umpaid internships.

I expect the same happens gen y footballers. Give them a spray and only some will be motivated. A good manager, a good coach, will use all techniques available to get the best out of their players. In this way Gen Y are harder work. So it isn't surprising that the old timers complain about millennials, they can't just yell and scream, they need to think. 

 

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3 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I'm not convinced Tom Morris knows anything about the club.

The article he wrote the other day didn't feature anything, it was clickbait.

He may be right about what he's saying, I'm just not so sure he's got any "good authority" on it.

 Not sure if he has good contacts or not but he was very sure of himself. Sounded very confident. 
 

We will have to wait and see what happens. 
 

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1 minute ago, DemonOX said:

Tom Morris was just on otc and said something like he has it on good authority (people that he trusts very much) that if we don’t make finals Goodwin a job is not safe. 
The board is restless, members are restless and the president is restless. 
Gerard Healy said that Bartlett is a lawyer specialising in contract law and that maybe there is a clause in Goodwins contract that would save us paying him out in full. 
 

Wednesday nights game is huge. 

As i'm sure every one of us Demonland are, i am so sick of must win, line in the sand games, I have had over 40 years of them.

Not sure what the update on maxy is but i actually wouldn't mind if he misses the next two matches. Would put the acid on the rest of the team to step up. 

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11 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Good Point. Bartlett is a Lawyer.
A 4 year extension without a get out clause would be very negligent 

Would it?

Do you know that this is how other contracts are structured?

I'm not saying it is, or it isn't, but how would you know?

7 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

 Not sure if he has good contacts or not but he was very sure of himself. Sounded very confident. 
 

We will have to wait and see what happens. 

That's his only demeanour.

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14 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Tom Morris was just on otc and said something like he has it on good authority (people that he trusts very much) that if we don’t make finals Goodwin a job is not safe. 
The board is restless, members are restless and the president is restless. 
Gerard Healy said that Bartlett is a lawyer specialising in contract law and that maybe there is a clause in Goodwins contract that would save us paying him out in full. 
 

Wednesday nights game is huge. 

Well looks like he's job is not safe then because we sure as hell aren't making finals.

I think we'll win maybe 7 or 8 games. Unless there are drastic changes internally, then cannot see how we'll just click when we haven't even been able to knock of some of the top 6 sides.

Is it Goodwin? Is it the players??

Million dollar question.

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1 hour ago, binman said:

Contest out football. Load up on contested ball winners. Don't worry about recruiting elite foot skills. Drum that philosophy into your successor. Roos say hello

Correct but you are taking that out of context to create a general negative specific to recruiting a style of player Bin.  Different issue.

I am talking accountability in the back half, specifically directed at Jnr's original post where he was commenting on Oscar.   Roos, Ross or Ron...makes no difference.  Accountability when you haven't got the ball is one of the critical factors required in team defence and a significant requirement for a club's success imv.

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52 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Well looks like he's job is not safe then because we sure as hell aren't making finals.

I think we'll win maybe 7 or 8 games. Unless there are drastic changes internally, then cannot see how we'll just click when we haven't even been able to knock of some of the top 6 sides.

Is it Goodwin? Is it the players??

Million dollar question.

... or is it the FD as a whole Dazzle?  So many long faces among the FD, both in the box and on the field of late.

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12 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Correct but you are taking that out of context to create a general negative specific to recruiting a style of player Bin.  Different issue.

I am talking accountability in the back half, specifically directed at Jnr's original post where he was commenting on Oscar.   Roos, Ross or Ron...makes no difference.  Accountability when you haven't got the ball is one of the critical factors required in team defence and a significant requirement for a club's success imv.

Yes I know.

Wasn't trying to link it to Oscar. Though i quite like the idea of even degrees of Oscar.

The post just reminded me roos was very old school and his legacy is a bunch of midfield bulls who couldn't hit a corona virus in an abbotoir 

 

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1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

Would it?

Do you know that this is how other contracts are structured?

I'm not saying it is, or it isn't, but how would you know?

 

If i was a Lawyer drawing up a 4 Year Contract in a very competitive market, i would be sure to have a get out clause written in there, in case it didn’t work out  

4 years is a long time in Sport  i am only giving my opinion  

If Glen has done it differently i would call that very negligent, but i don’t think that will be the case

The Heat is on The Football Department as of now, even Ben from the MFC Media Department was onto that

 

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It is rare to see a contract in modern society without 'termination clauses'. 

It is a failure of 'good governance' if our Board did not include such clauses in Goodwin's contract.  Especially poor in an industry notorious for sacking coaches while in contract.

Morris alludes to the Leighoak money being available.  I will be filthy if that money, earmarked for new club facilities which we so desperately need, is used to pay out a contract for Goodwin (or anyone else) because the Board stuffed up firstly by extending by 4 years and secondly if they failed in their corporate governance to put appropriate 'termination' clauses in the contract.

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On Ch 7 last night Tom Browne (who is not the most reliable of reporters) said Goodwin will address Bartlett's comments in a press conf today. 

I'm thinking this is mischievous by Brown.  Goodwin has a pre-selection meeting each week so nothing special there.  And I can't imagine a coach publicly taking on his president.  What is more likely is that he will be asked about Barlett's comments, is his job safe etc and I expect he will play with a straight bat.  The last thing we need is a public spat between coach and President.

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43 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

On Ch 7 last night Tom Browne (who is not the most reliable of reporters) said Goodwin will address Bartlett's comments in a press conf today. 

I'm thinking this is mischievous by Brown.  Goodwin has a pre-selection meeting each week so nothing special there.  And I can't imagine a coach publicly taking on his president.  What is more likely is that he will be asked about Barlett's comments, is his job safe etc and I expect he will play with a straight bat.  The last thing we need is a public spat between coach and President.

Goody will juts say something along the lines of:

'football it results driven business, and we are all under pressure to get those results, me included. That is how it should be. Glenn is a passionate demon man and has every right to be angry with that performance as do dees fans. It wasn't acceptable. it wasn't the Melbourne way. Now have you have you heard the one about....' 

But i woud prefer;

'whoa, Glenn needs to take a chill pill man. I reckon the lockdown is getting to him. He's going stir crazy. We are all in lockdown too you you, but we are taking the approach it more a retreat and we are super chilled. Surfing, golf, billys for breakfast - juts had one then actually. Niiice. It will be right man, all good - we've got this. We'll thrash the crows on Friday night and then...and then... smash whoever we have after that. Crazy times. I'm pretty sure i'm going home this week, to racey Adelaide. Are they in lockdown? I thought i saw some people at the footy...What was the question?' 

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If Melbourne history is a guide they will look at Bartlett comment as an insult and have a little sook. Whenever Melbourne is challenged we fold. Game where responses are expected normally end in humiliation but we proved against Gold Coast a response is possible. Playing Adelaide with no wins is just the type of game we implode on. Playing a team with no wins should be a soda but a winless Crows against shambolic Demons does not fill you with confidence. I thought the Pres comment were terrific.

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5 minutes ago, binman said:

Goody will juts say something along the lines of:

'football it results driven business, and we are all under pressure to get those results, me included. That is how it should be. Glenn is a passionate demon man and has every right to be angry with that performance as do dees fans. It wasn't acceptable. it wasn't the Melbourne way. Now have you have you heard the one about....' 

But i woud prefer;

'whoa, Glenn needs to take a chill pill man. I reckon the lockdown is getting to him. He's going stir crazy. We are all in lockdown too you you, but we are taking the approach it more a retreat and we are super chilled. Surfing, golf, billys for breakfast - juts had one then actually. Niiice. It will be right man, all good - we've got this. We'll thrash the crows on Friday night and then...and then... smash whoever we have after that. Crazy times. I'm pretty sure i'm going home this week, to racey Adelaide. Are they in lockdown? I thought i saw some people at the footy...What was the question?' 

Hello Simon! 

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2 minutes ago, CYB said:

Hello Simon! 

"The Melbourne Way" ?

Just what is that ? We've  been suffering "The Melbourne Way" for far too long - from what I've seen it represents perennial underachievement. "The Melbourne Way" has never been the way to deliver anything like sustained competitiveness and success 

Personally I'd prefer to hear and see a brand new way that is not The Melbourne Way  

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8 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

If i was a Lawyer drawing up a 4 Year Contract in a very competitive market, i would be sure to have a get out clause written in there, in case it didn’t work out  

4 years is a long time in Sport  i am only giving my opinion  

If Glen has done it differently i would call that very negligent, but i don’t think that will be the case

The Heat is on The Football Department as of now, even Ben from the MFC Media Department was onto that

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

It is rare to see a contract in modern society without 'termination clauses'. 

It is a failure of 'good governance' if our Board did not include such clauses in Goodwin's contract.  Especially poor in an industry notorious for sacking coaches while in contract.

Morris alludes to the Leighoak money being available.  I will be filthy if that money, earmarked for new club facilities which we so desperately need, is used to pay out a contract for Goodwin (or anyone else) because the Board stuffed up firstly by extending by 4 years and secondly if they failed in their corporate governance to put appropriate 'termination' clauses in the contract.

Do either of you know how these sorts of things work? Or what other clubs do? Or what is lawful in the world of employment law?

As far as I am aware, these sorts of clauses don't just give us the power to sack him for free.

I'm sure there are clauses in there that talk about the contract ending early, but they'll almost certainly have financial ramifications attached.

If you know more than me, please divulge. But if not, I don't think it's fair for you say the club has been "very negligent" or "failed in their corporate governance" if we have to pay Goodwin to end his contract early.

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1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

Do either of you know how these sorts of things work? Or what other clubs do? Or what is lawful in the world of employment law?

As far as I am aware, these sorts of clauses don't just give us the power to sack him for free.

I'm sure there are clauses in there that talk about the contract ending early, but they'll almost certainly have financial ramifications attached.

If you know more than me, please divulge. But if not, I don't think it's fair for you say the club has been "very negligent" or "failed in their corporate governance" if we have to pay Goodwin to end his contract early.

Last contract I signed was reviewed at 6 months and at 12 months thereafter.Usually 3 year contracts.

If performance was deemed to be unsatisfactory against measurables then a process of departure was started with negotiated settlement.

I've signed a few of these and never has the contract ever been fully paid out even if the reason was the project not proceeding.

I work in the construction and development industies.Perhaps footy coach contracts are different. If he hasnt performed he cannot expect a full payout.

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16 minutes ago, Sydee said:

"The Melbourne Way" ?

Just what is that ? We've  been suffering "The Melbourne Way" for far too long - from what I've seen it represents perennial underachievement. "The Melbourne Way" has never been the way to deliver anything like sustained competitiveness and success 

Personally I'd prefer to hear and see a brand new way that is not The Melbourne Way  

You have my vote.

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I have struggled with the decision to give him a three year extension before a ball was bounced in 2019. 
If he ends up being flung at the end of this I am not sure how you can see the decision to give that contract as anything other than a big failure on behalf of Mahoney, Pert and the board who would have signed off on it.

IMO if he is flung then a number of those same people should follow him out the door.

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8 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

If i was a Lawyer drawing up a 4 Year Contract in a very competitive market, i would be sure to have a get out clause written in there, in case it didn’t work out  

4 years is a long time in Sport  i am only giving my opinion  

If Glen has done it differently i would call that very negligent, but i don’t think that will be the case

The Heat is on The Football Department as of now, even Ben from the MFC Media Department was onto that

 

It's not like this would have been a one way discussion, though.  Goodwin's manager and/or lawyer would have been working from the other side to limit the effectiveness of any proposed get out clause. Presumably the two sides met somewhere near the middle which I expect would have given the club an opportunity to terminate on some grounds. Whether ladder position is one of them would be questionable. 

I imagine there are lawyers in Victoria right now looking at Force Majeure clauses in all sorts of contracts in every industry and business to see whether Stage 4 lockdown triggers anything. In fact, Covid-19 and the effect it has had on the AFL this year is why I would be surprised if any AFL coach is removed at the end of this year.

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