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4 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

Yes, I understood that perspective, but still a silly thing to add to his otherwise good words. Players could easily respond. Yeah, and we cant get in your office and get a MFC home ground sorted.

Really HFF you are drawing a long bow!

He meant that it was purely in the players and FD corner to respond as others are not able to influence the playing group effort and form.

And your further comment about the players possible response bring  upset is the thoughts of a house domestic dispute not a mature football Club issue.

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Here are some of the choice words he used: "It was disgraceful.  When you pull on a Melbourne jumper, we don't give them out in Weeties packets" "You have to show respect for the jumper and

Here are a few more that I missed: "I have defended our footy department, our coaches and players my whole tenure but I can't defend that.  How can you defend that? "I said at the start of t

Scathing alright.  Never seen him react this way before. I am also glad that internally they're fuming big time.

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On 8/1/2020 at 11:42 PM, Northern Summer said:

It goes on. . top of the ladder in 2004 with 4 rounds to go. . lose all remaining 4 games, lose the double chance, then lose to Essendon in its last finals win by less than a goal.

2006 - head to Adelaide to play a depleted Adelaide side with plenty of injuries. A win secures a top 4 spot. We got smashed.

2018 - we basically led the competition in every single stat that you want to be leading (i.e. points for, %, etc), lost crazy games like St Kilda and Sydney along the way, to cost us the double chance. Should have finished at least 2nd with home finals at the 'G.

2006 was defined by losing to Carlton -- twice. They won 3 games for the year and finished last. Had we won both we'd have been top 4. 

I remember on BigFooty, we had zero respect from neutral fans during the Daniher era. It was obvious to Melbourne supporters and other supporters. We were chokers and lost games we shouldn't. Clubs knew we were pushovers.

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8 hours ago, 58er said:

Really HFF you are drawing a long bow!

He meant that it was purely in the players and FD corner to respond as others are not able to influence the playing group effort and form.

And your further comment about the players possible response bring  upset is the thoughts of a house domestic dispute not a mature football Club issue.

A mature footy issue.  Surely you jest, Melbourne players mature?   

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On 8/1/2020 at 11:42 PM, Northern Summer said:

It goes on. . top of the ladder in 2004 with 4 rounds to go. . lose all remaining 4 games, lose the double chance, then lose to Essendon in its last finals win by less than a goal.

 

Anyone else remember the huge roar from the crowd after the game when they showed the ladder on the big screen at the G and we were on top?

Five weeks later we are eliminated in first week of finals by the team that destroyed us in the Grand Final 4 years earlier.  This club has been torturing us for what feels like an eternity.......

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On 8/1/2020 at 11:39 AM, DemonOX said:

I think he said on the demonland podcast that they are having a review at the end of the season.  
 

IMO Goodwins job is far from safe if we continue to produce performances like Thursday night. 
 

The rest of the season (not the next 2 weeks against out of form opposition) will show us where we are at and if the players are behind goody or not. 
 

Timing is critical as there are quality coaches around that could be gettable. 

Every club should have a review after every season, irrespective of whether they finished 1st or 18th. It would be best practice to do so. 

As he has shown in his time as President, Bartlett is very measured. I assume, therefore, that this spray was a calculated rather than spontaneous outburst. I also expect there may have been a similar, although possibly less colourful, private conversation with Goodwin and Mahoney beforehand. At least, I hope so. It should be much more effective if delivered personally rather than through the media.  

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19 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Jordan Lewis (4x Premiership Winner):

“I certainly think he has the right to. He is a voice to the members purely from the football club and that was his assessment,” Lewis told Saturday Stretch. “And I don’t think we can disagree with him.

“It was a hard game to watch and the players would be disappointed with their performance and the coaches would be disappointed as well.

“It just shows that everyone in football, whether you’re playing or not playing or part of the board, everyone hurts when you put out a performance like that.”

Why Demons president ‘has the right’ to publicly criticise team after ‘lifleless’ performance

 

Interesting that Jordan Lewis has supported Bartlett's comments while Bernie Vince was against them.

One appears to be from the old school and the other for the new age millennial that can't take criticism.

I thought Bartlett's comments were excellent and spoke on behalf of the rank and file member who have had a gut-full of these insipid performances under Goodwin, and can only use Demonland or Bigfooty as a forum to express one's disgust.

 

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34 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Interesting that Jordan Lewis has supported Bartlett's comments while Bernie Vince was against them.

One appears to be from the old school and the other for the new age millennial that can't take criticism.

I thought Bartlett's comments were excellent and spoke on behalf of the rank and file member who have had a gut-full of these insipid performances under Goodwin, and can only use Demonland or Bigfooty as a forum to express one's disgust.

Yep, you could even use the comparison of one being a ruthless competitor who has 4 flags and the other being a top bloke/party boy who has 0.

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47 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

spoke on behalf of the rank and file member who have had a gut-full of these insipid performances under Goodwin,

Agreed, but not just under Goodwin - we’ve had a gutful for some years now.

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1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Every club should have a review after every season, irrespective of whether they finished 1st or 18th. It would be best practice to do so. 

As he has shown in his time as President, Bartlett is very measured. I assume, therefore, that this spray was a calculated rather than spontaneous outburst. I also expect there may have been a similar, although possibly less colourful, private conversation with Goodwin and Mahoney beforehand. At least, I hope so. It should be much more effective if delivered personally rather than through the media.  

This is worth repeating. 

Can't imagine a President blindsiding the FD with a public rant.  He would have given them a heads-up on what he was going to say after giving them a private dressing down.

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2 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Effort was not the issue.  
 

It’s the skills.  Kicking.  Handballing.  Not enough concentration.  Not smart enough to kick it to advantage. It’s needed work for how many years. Countless. 

I disagree wholeheartedly. Against Port effort was a massive issue. How many times did we see multiple Port players at the marking contest or running forward in waves. Effort was not there against Port.

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52 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

This is worth repeating. 

Can't imagine a President blindsiding the FD with a public rant.  He would have given them a heads-up on what he was going to say after giving them a private dressing down.

I wouldn't bet on that - what you think would ideally happen and what happens in reality is often poles apart when it comes to things like this (in business and footy).

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4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I wouldn't bet on that - what you think would ideally happen and what happens in reality is often poles apart when it comes to things like this (in business and footy).

If that is the case Dr G, our president has possibly caused deep ruptures in the FD and backed himself into a corner where he can't readily defend Goodwin if/when the going gets tougher.

I would like to think our President has enough smarts to not undermine his FD.  Sure have a say but his rant was childish.  If he doesn't have said smarts maybe he should pack it in himself.

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48 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Last time I tried to cut through butter I bent my knife. Maybe the players were microwaved before they played Port? Would explain why they looked so cooked.

You new age millennials with your fancy refrigeration! When Bartlett was a boy it was hessian sacks in the river to keep things “cool”. 

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30 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I wouldn't bet on that - what you think would ideally happen and what happens in reality is often poles apart when it comes to things like this (in business and footy).

You may be right, but everyone is different. I can imagine some Presidents blindsiding their coaches and football departments* while others would be much more careful in what they say publicly. I expect Bartlett to be in the latter group. 

(Be honest, everyone...whose first thought of a President who would blindside the coach thought of Jeff Kennett?)

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1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I disagree wholeheartedly. Against Port effort was a massive issue. How many times did we see multiple Port players at the marking contest or running forward in waves. Effort was not there against Port.

1000% agree.

The two biggest issues, in the port game is that the players were so obviously not mentally ready and that their effort was simply unacceptable.

The one non negotiable is effort. A big part of the justified anger at that performance was the lack of effort. 

And the fact that the players were not mentally ready and didn't work hard enough is of course on the players but the coach has to take his share of responsibility too. A big share in my opinion.

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6 minutes ago, binman said:

1000% agree.

The two biggest issues, in the port game is that the players were so obviously not mentally ready and that their effort was simply unacceptable.

The one non negotiable is effort. A big part of the justified anger at that performance was the lack of effort. 

And the fact that the players were not mentally ready and didn't work hard enough is of course on the players but the coach has to take his share of responsibility too. A big share in my opinion.

Has Goodwin lost the playing group? It seems incomprehensible that essentially the entire team would play like that, unless there were systemic issues. 

The notion of an entire team not being 'mentally ready' is just not realistic.

I would like to know how this has come to pass... and for mine it's about applying Occam's Razor (numerous alternates, go with the one with the least amount of assumptions). 

1) All players were completely knackered - well as evidence, hmmm we've got Burgess and Burgess has spruiked that fatigue won't be an issue

2) Players have lost faith in coach/system. Again as evidence - 'May' in his post match interview (and I paraphrase) essentially said the players just couldn't execute the method, due to poor fundementals". Im not sure whether that comment is about the systemic nature of it within the club, or he felt, it was one way to explain one game.

 

Anyway... I dunno.....sigh.

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3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Interesting that Jordan Lewis has supported Bartlett's comments while Bernie Vince was against them.

One appears to be from the old school and the other for the new age millennial that can't take criticism.

I thought Bartlett's comments were excellent and spoke on behalf of the rank and file member who have had a gut-full of these insipid performances under Goodwin, and can only use Demonland or Bigfooty as a forum to express one's disgust.

 

This is [censored] and I'm sick of hearing it to be honest.

Millennials are no tougher or weaker than previous generations, they're just more willing to discuss their emotions.

Speaking as a millennial and as someone who often takes criticism in my profession, this sort of blanket statement is sheepish ignorance. 

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4 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Effort was not the issue.  
 

It’s the skills.  Kicking.  Handballing.  Not enough concentration.  Not smart enough to kick it to advantage. It’s needed work for how many years. Countless. 

Smithy I think effort was an issue 

Slow and not ready to play in 1st quarter

out muscled and thought at the  ball them skills let us down chasing deficit. 

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On 8/1/2020 at 11:38 AM, kallangurdemon said:

Good response by Glen but in the immortal words of Barry (not Bryce )Gibb " it's only words and words are all i have....."Lets see if at last there is some action starting  at this weeks selection table .

The appropriate comment has been made, it has fallen on directed ears. Now, what will be done? Who will do it? What will be the outcome? A strong president and Board would know - one would hope.

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