Dees on Brink of Another Trade Disaster

[old55 21,235]

59 minutes ago, one_demon said:

Yep.  They'll be no premiership this year and May will be twenty nine years old at the start of next season. 

So 3 or 4 more good years left?

[one_demon 826]

24 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

So 3 or 4 more good years left?

Yep, That's about it.   Ben King is twenty years old. 

[Little Goffy 12,546]

8 minutes ago, one_demon said:

Yep, That's about it.   Ben King is twenty years old. 

Well, Gawn is ten days older than May, so really the best thing would have been to trade Gawn and that way we could have had both Kings.

[Diamond_Jim 11,722]

May probably needs to play for another five to six years to make the trade worthwhile.

Full backs have traditionally had great longevity. Fingers crossed.

 

[old55 21,235]

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

May probably needs to play for another five to six years to make the trade worthwhile.

Full backs have traditionally had great longevity. Fingers crossed.

 

May needs to play in an MFC premiership team - that was the plan with the trade.

[Diamond_Jim 11,722]

36 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

May needs to play in an MFC premiership team - that was the plan with the trade.

on that basis....I think you know the answer

[one_demon 826]

 

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

May needs to play in an MFC premiership team - that was the plan with the trade.

Correct

[old55 21,235]

49 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

on that basis....I think you know the answer

Yes Steven May will be an MFC Premiership player.

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

5 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

Yes Steven May will be an MFC Premiership player.

 

You should do stand up comedy Fifty, that was brilliant.

[old55 21,235]

2 hours ago, GoGetRossLyon said:

 

You should do stand up comedy Fifty, that was brilliant.

To bring it back on topic - Kosi Pickett will too ... oh and you'll have a new user name and will have always been on board.

[Pulp Fritschon 641]

Apologies if this has been mentioned....

How long did we actually hold pick 6 for? Was it all of 5 mins? 

I see it as it was - we traded Hogan for May.

Freo traded pick 6 (Ben King) for Hogan. Write that one up Kane Cornes! 

[58er 5,607]

On 7/17/2020 at 4:32 PM, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Change "these academies" for "father-son selections" and hopefully you'll appreciate why the academies were created. It's still quite some time before GWS and the Gold Coast will have access to father-son prospects.

Succession planning. By the time Jackson is old enough to be a reliable first ruck option (should he get there), Max will be close to or perhaps even be retired. Preuss is just a backup should we need a strong first ruck option in the meantime.

In all of this most people querying Jacko are vastly under estimating his ability to be a utility.

That is a mobile ruck, utility,  handy versatile, forward or around the ground plus a fantastic X factor.

Indeed Jacko has the potential to be a once in a generation player viz Barassi or Jesaulenko or Matthews or Buddy or Brereton or Hudson or any major player of the AFL/VFL in the last 56 years of our history.

Also examine the record  of teams With above 80/120 goals or Coleman Medallist's and very few have saluted in GRand Final day.

3 or 4 years out of Stephen May could be enough to win a flag ( or two) with say Petty his successor.

Look at GWS today and they are struggling at present and we could join them on 3 wins by tomorrow night and who would say our list is the potential of their AFL gifted amalgamation if talent!

Please keep some faith and sensibility about trading and its irregularities. 
 

PS Seem to recall a guy called Lockett and he hasn't ever hung an AFL medal around  his neck. Also another quirk is that Brian Lake win a  "Normie" who would have thought that plus Chip Frawley kept Josh Kennedy to a handful of kicks in 2015.

One trade decision does not prevent a premiership !!

[Greendale 327]

I don't think Melbourne played the percentages in the most recent draft. The Pickett selection is a good one, he was the top rated small forward in the draft and perfectly fit a need for the team. But I don't think it made sense to draft a high-risk high-reward ruckman at pick 3, when we already have an elite ruckman for the next 5 or so years.

If you look at the other options we had at the trade table, Jackson was a huge gamble. Melbourne had the option of trading pick 3 for pick 6, GWS 2020 first rounder, and a 3rd rounder. We could then trade pick 6 back to 10 to grab Pickett, 28, and something else (a mid second rounder). The opportunity cost of selecting Jackson was effectively our 2020 first, a GWS 2020 first, pick 26, a mid second rounder, a GWS third rounder, and pick 50. Hopefully Jackson becomes a star player and is worth it, but only time will tell.

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,762]

Ridiculous time to be analysing this. I love what we've done at the draft and trade table over the past 6-7 years. We just need a game plan that clicks with these players and none of that will matter. People are so quick to judge.

[sue 8,417]

Why the worry about giving the #1 pick to North. (We'd have more to worry about than that if we do).  It's been said the 2020 draft was compromised before Covid.  Now recruiters will have to a  lot more guessing than usual.  Pick quality will be more random than ever.

[old dee 22,832]

31 minutes ago, sue said:

Why the worry about giving the #1 pick to North. (We'd have more to worry about than that if we do).  It's been said the 2020 draft was compromised before Covid.  Now recruiters will have to a  lot more guessing than usual.  Pick quality will be more random than ever.

Not if you have the first few picks sue. But you are correct if we give north pick 1 the MFC will be up to its eyes in crap and be looking for several FD positions to fill and potentially a new board.

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

North on brink of massive trade disaster

Giving up their chance to draft the magician Kysaiah Pickett to trade into the next years heavily compromised draft

More news at 11

[titan_uranus 22,274]

19 hours ago, Pulp Fritschon said:

Apologies if this has been mentioned....

How long did we actually hold pick 6 for? Was it all of 5 mins? 

I see it as it was - we traded Hogan for May.

Freo traded pick 6 (Ben King) for Hogan. Write that one up Kane Cornes! 

Agree with this.

I reckon there's a fair chance we only released Hogan for pick 6 once we knew that GC would trade us May (+ KK) for 6.

In other words, we really traded Hogan for May + KK.

And even if we did trade May (+ KK) for 6, it was a justified call at the time, and isn't even in the top 10 reasons for our poor early-2020 form.

[mauriesy 6,787]

5 hours ago, old dee said:

Not if you have the first few picks sue. But you are correct if we give north pick 1 the MFC will be up to its eyes in crap and be looking for several FD positions to fill and potentially a new board.

The further we go up the ladder, the less North's pick is worth.

[Garbo 1,326]

7 hours ago, Greendale said:

I don't think Melbourne played the percentages in the most recent draft. The Pickett selection is a good one, he was the top rated small forward in the draft and perfectly fit a need for the team. But I don't think it made sense to draft a high-risk high-reward ruckman at pick 3, when we already have an elite ruckman for the next 5 or so years.

If you look at the other options we had at the trade table, Jackson was a huge gamble. Melbourne had the option of trading pick 3 for pick 6, GWS 2020 first rounder, and a 3rd rounder. We could then trade pick 6 back to 10 to grab Pickett, 28, and something else (a mid second rounder). The opportunity cost of selecting Jackson was effectively our 2020 first, a GWS 2020 first, pick 26, a mid second rounder, a GWS third rounder, and pick 50. Hopefully Jackson becomes a star player and is worth it, but only time will tell.

Pickett was never going to last till 28 dogs would have taken him with pick 15 if he even lasted till then. Agree Jackson is high risk high reward so we have to wait and see there.  None of the other players that were in the pick 3 range have done anything yet anyway.

Edited July 19, 2020 by Garbo

[layzie 28,655]

Let's make that pick as crappy as it can be.

[Greendale 327]

1 minute ago, Garbo said:

Pickett was never going to last till 28 dogs would have taken him with pick 15 if he even lasted till then. Agree Jackson his high risk high reward so we have to wait and see there.  None of the other players that were in the pick 3 range have done anything yet anyway.

In that scenario we would maintain picks 10 and 28. The only difference would be Jackson and the picks I listed.

[Pates 9,536]

1 hour ago, mauriesy said:

The further we go up the ladder, the less North's pick is worth.

This was the point I made earlier, the trade for the pick wasn’t a trade disaster because we gambled on us having a good year. It’s up to the team to make the trade get it’s best return. 

Kozzie hasn’t been prolific but he’s doing plenty of important things and is clearly getting more confidence in himself. 

[Farmer 683]

8 hours ago, Greendale said:

I don't think Melbourne played the percentages in the most recent draft. The Pickett selection is a good one, he was the top rated small forward in the draft and perfectly fit a need for the team. But I don't think it made sense to draft a high-risk high-reward ruckman at pick 3, when we already have an elite ruckman for the next 5 or so years.

If you look at the other options we had at the trade table, Jackson was a huge gamble. Melbourne had the option of trading pick 3 for pick 6, GWS 2020 first rounder, and a 3rd rounder. We could then trade pick 6 back to 10 to grab Pickett, 28, and something else (a mid second rounder). The opportunity cost of selecting Jackson was effectively our 2020 first, a GWS 2020 first, pick 26, a mid second rounder, a GWS third rounder, and pick 50. Hopefully Jackson becomes a star player and is worth it, but only time will tell.

Do you still think so Greendale, after today?

jackson  could  win a Brownlow . Never seen an 18yo very tall, so promising

[Farmer 683]

On 7/7/2020 at 6:24 PM, Half forward flank said:

And another. Should have taken Tom Greene last year, understanding it was a bit complicated with the Academy situation.

So we would now have two AFL ready players, Green and King.

 

Ok. We picked up Kozie ( likely 200 games) Jackson , ditto, Rivers, possibly ditto plus Bennell,  Langdon, Tomlinson 

seems ok to me. I think we are a live chance this year, and a terrific chance next year