What has happened to Clayton Oliver?

[Dr.D 1,771]

people that wanted him traded clearly dont understand football. Should be AA imo. he'll poll brownlow votes in 3 of the last 4 weeks

[Watts the matter 1,235]

3 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

people that wanted him traded clearly dont understand football. Should be AA imo. he'll poll brownlow votes in 3 of the last 4 weeks

I don't think I have seen anyone that wants him traded.

How about you acknowledge that everyone that has been questioning his game was proved correct last night. He changed what he has been doing (which most of the critics have asked for) and it made a big difference. 

[Gorgoroth 12,308]

People comparing him to Danger is a start, but he has the potential to be better than him. Danger ain’t a good kick, has good speed. Oliver has the chance to be a much better player, that was what was frustrating with his little useless handballs. He is much better than that. Last night proved it. And if him and Trac play both inside and out with Viney as a predominately inside mid then we have the makings of the best mid since Brisbane/west coast

[WERRIDEE 5,209]

When on song, is there a better player out there than Clarry?

Edited August 6, 2020 by Grapeviney
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[Older demon 2,166]

I think a lot can be learnt from the way Dangerfield plays in that he gets the ball and runs to clear the congestion. Clarrie gets the ball and credit to the coaches, they are asking him to run and gun with the ball rather than the quick handball off.I hope this is the next stage of his development and we see a new dynamic in our contested ball play. As noted earlier danger isn't a great kick especially set shots at goal. I wonder what Danger was like at the sane stage in his career?

[deelusions from afar 1,608]

King went on and on about it last night - accelerating away from the contests.  I hope it is a mindset thing that Clarry can continue to do.  But I suspect it's got more to do with playing against the bottom side who didn't know how to stop him getting off the chain.

[Willmoy1947 3,769]

Good effort for a bloke who gets tackled five or six times a match when he hasn't got the pill... 

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

1 hour ago, WERRIDEE said:

When on song, is there a better player out there than Clarry?

Dustin Martin goes alright

[Demon3 2,541]

some Oliver ranking as it stands, all with a game less as well: AFL RANKINGS

disposals - 3rd

Inside 50s -  15th

Cont Poss -  2nd

Ground Ball gets - 2nd

Centre Clear - 2nd

Stoppage Clear - 6th

Tackles - 3rd

Pressure acts - 1st

Out an out star. Those in the media suggesting he should be in trade mix should be embarrassed

Edited August 6, 2020 by Demon3

[Billy 1,958]

18 hours ago, Elegt said:

I asked for a lift from clayton and it looks like I got one. Good on you clarry!!

No you said he should be dropped 

[Binmans PA 25,997]

14 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

some Oliver ranking as it stands, all with a game less as well: AFL RANKINGS

disposals - 3rd

Inside 50s -  15th

Cont Poss -  2nd

Ground Ball gets - 2nd

Centre Clear - 2nd

Stoppage Clear - 6th

Tackles - 3rd

Pressure acts - 1st

Out an out star. Those in the media suggesting he should be in trade mix should be embarrassed

I reckon there are a few on here that need to acknowledge this as well.

Yeah, great, he can improve areas of his game, like all players can, but the guy is still putting together a very, very good season.

[Demon3 2,541]

1 minute ago, A F said:

I reckon there are a few on here that need to acknowledge this as well.

Yeah, great, he can improve areas of his game, like all players can, but the guy is still putting together a very, very good season.

He is 23 years old.. he is a star. Frustrating at times? of course, not many aren't. But he is an A-Grader.

[Binmans PA 25,997]

7 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

He is 23 years old.. he is a star. Frustrating at times? of course, not many aren't. But he is an A-Grader.

Absolutely. He could be an A+ grader, but that'll come. He's 23 years old, as you say.

Edited August 6, 2020 by A F

[Engorged Onion 9,256]

3 minutes ago, A F said:

Absolutely. He could be an A+ grader, but that'll come. He's 23 years old, as you say.

Imagine if he was eloquent in his interviews rather than throwing out the cliche. He would incredibly marketable and ALREADY be seen as a superstar a la Dangerfield. Alas that ain't his bag.

No surfing Fairhaven in his suit for Oliver.

[Elegt 872]

55 minutes ago, Billy said:

No you said he should be dropped 

Ok bill

[Engorged Onion 9,256]

49 minutes ago, A F said:

Absolutely. He could be an A+ grader, but that'll come. He's 23 years old, as you say.

Quick comparison - Oliver on the left, Dangerfield on the right.

Make of it what you will.

First is comparing Oliver to Danger (who is 7 years older) for the current season and second table is at the same age.

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

His AFL rankings (per game)

#3  in disposals

#2 in Clearances

#2 in Contested Possessions

#7 in tackles

 

[Billy 1,958]

17 minutes ago, Elegt said:

Ok bill

Jumped the gun a wee bit you think?

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

1 hour ago, Demon3 said:

some Oliver ranking as it stands, all with a game less as well: AFL RANKINGS

disposals - 3rd

Inside 50s -  15th

Cont Poss -  2nd

Ground Ball gets - 2nd

Centre Clear - 2nd

Stoppage Clear - 6th

Tackles - 3rd

Pressure acts - 1st

Out an out star. Those in the media suggesting he should be in trade mix should be embarrassed

 

13 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

His AFL rankings (per game)

#3  in disposals

#2 in Clearances

#2 in Contested Possessions

#7 in tackles

 

 

I should read threads properly before I post.....   might get sued for plagiarism one day.  ?

Edited August 6, 2020 by Pickett2Jackson

[Elegt 872]

2 hours ago, Billy said:

Jumped the gun a wee bit you think?

Yes sure whatever you say bill 

[dworship 3,342]

54 minutes ago, Elegt said:

Yes sure whatever you say bill 

Aptly enough I believe it's called eating crow.

[Demon Marty 119]

8 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Dustin Martin goes alright

he he

[Demon Dynasty 15,385]

20 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Calls to trade Clarry were ridiculous. He's been a gun inside midfielder from his first game.

What some people are frustrated by is the fact he's got the attributes to become more than just an inside mid, and could be a better inside mid. He could become a more rounded midfielder and hit the scoreboard too. Last night showed that. He was driving out of stoppages instead of dinky handballs to shift pressure. He was creating more space for himself and team mates and kicking to advantage more. He got himself more involved inside forward 50 and hit the scoreboard.

He could become a superstar like Dangerfield or Martin. 

If he continues playing that style of game LT he will be.  I would show the great steps he made in this game and reinforce that game again and again.  This is the promise he showed coming to reality.  Rinse repeat, rinse repeat.

Get the 5 top players together.   Big Maxy,  Tracc, Clarry, Viney and May.  Show them their effort from the last 3 to 4 weeks.

While there was a big gap with Port, they aren't far off beating the best on their day IF they can all bring that output together as often as possible.

The rest need to lift also but if those top 5 fire more often than not and with solid support from the rest for the remainder of the season, we are headed for finals.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Rusty Nails

[Elegt 872]

Love how he has developed a burst from the stoppage approach and looks to assess options before disposing. Makes him so much more of a damaging player