TEAMS: Rd 05 vs Richmond

[Bay Riffin 1,413]

3 minutes ago, Razza13 said:

The problem with Oscar is that he is too slow. He can't keep up with the forwards. He is good one on one when battling on the spot.

 

yeah not sure on the one on one part either.

[Grimes Times 1,278]

3 minutes ago, rjay said:

Their list is ageing and on the wane but they are well drilled and we didn't take it to them.

I think this is also undersold when people say we didnt adapt to the differing tactics. Geelong is super experienced team and have played under Scott for 10 years. They had 50 games ave and 2 years ave on us. They also had 10 players with 150 plus games. we had 2.

[binman 37,953]

Just now, Grimes Times said:

you may be right but Scott did say that he didn't want Gee to kick to contest or get in a shoot out because they are both a strength of ours  hence the slow chip kick style they played.

Yep agree. And clever coaching in terms of maximizing their chances of winning.

A big part of my frustration is I think we should have spanked them. And leaving that aside it was a dreadful game to watch.

As I noted elsewhere a noun  point would at least provide some incentive to score

[rjay 23,888]

Just now, Grimes Times said:

I think this is also undersold when people say we didnt adapt to the differing tactics. Geelong is super experienced team and have played under Scott for 10 years. They had 50 games ave and 2 years ave on us. They also had 10 players with 150 plus games. we had 2.

They do it well, how he can change up a totally different game plan is testament to that.

...but we did nothing to put doubt in their mind, we watched it unfold.

Goody seems to have a problem getting his message across to the players.

Can he communicate.

If he knows we should have been pushing up to take space and not allow them to chip the ball around so easily then surely he expressed this. What aren't the players understanding? Why aren't they understanding? or did Goody just figure this out after the game was finished?

There is a problem...

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,133]

I wouldn’t mind Spargo making the cut just for the melts, anger, sarcasm and humour around here for tonight.

[Razza13 13]

5 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

yeah not sure on the one on one part either.

One on one where stationary for example, a ball is kicked highly and they have to out-muscle each other to mark/punch ball. Oscar is pretty solid at that.  

[Demons11 6,404]

41 minutes ago, rjay said:

I'll trust my footy knowledge on picking a player ahead of yours any day of the week.

I flagged Tommy would have these problems at the start of 2019 and nothing has changed.

He's is struggling and hasn't played at the level for nearly 2 seasons with the exception of maybe one game.

Whether it's injury or that opposition coaches have worked him out the fact is he's played a lot of poor footy and would struggle for a game in any other team.

Tommy is looking a lot like Dawes mark 2 unfortunately.

I hope Spargo plays 2's but he is in the squad this week.

AVB is hard as a cats head but is a very limited player, without injury he may have made it but the injuries have taken their toll.

Hannan was a VFL player before we grabbed him and does the odd good thing but not enough to be a consistent level AFL player.

Smith was poor in his first game, was ok last week but certainly far from a proven player.

Brown was let go by EFC, now clubs make mistakes but his first game was hardly reassuring. He's depth, not an AFL player. Should only play when the cupboard is bare.

Melk might be past it...Ronald Dale was a pretty decent player but time takes it's toll. We're not running him out any more. Melk really needs to lift, he has been at the level but this year has given zilch...is it over for him. He should be out of the team to work on some things.

Hunt is borderline, but really if we were any good he would be fringe. Unfortunately we need to play him.

The bloke who has played 3 games in 3 years is a much better prospect than the other bloke who has played a similar amount of football in 3 year that can tackle but can't kick and is a poor decision maker.

 

Welcome Nostradamus 

[Buzzy 929]

4 hours ago, chook fowler said:

Agree. Hunt and AVB had about 10 possessions between them. Bennell 14 in half a game. Who would you prefer?

I suspect the coach values the pressure Hunt & AVB put on versus Bennell's posessions.

[jnrmac 18,947]

4 hours ago, chook fowler said:

Agree. Hunt and AVB had about 10 possessions between them. Bennell 14 in half a game. Who would you prefer?

How many did Bennell's opponent have?

Case for the defence rests

[Lord Nev 13,511]

49 minutes ago, Buzzy said:

I suspect the coach values the pressure Hunt & AVB put on versus Bennell's posessions.

 

19 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

How many did Bennell's opponent have?

Case for the defence rests

Hunt and vandenBerg combined for 7 tackles, 12 disposals (4 of which were kicks), 1 goal, 1 score involvement and 2 one percenters.

I'm not sure this argument about their immense pressure stands up, let alone that they brought more of the things we are lacking atm.

 

[Axis of Bob 10,207]

22 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

How many did Bennell's opponent have?

Case for the defence rests

Bennell likely didn't have a direct opponent because that isn't how modern defence works.

The problem being that, if Bennell can't do the same volume of two way running his team mates can, when he is out there.... errr ..... the defence rests. 

[bing181 8,164]

1 hour ago, rjay said:

If he knows we should have been pushing up to take space and not allow them to chip the ball around so easily then surely he expressed this. What aren't the players understanding? Why aren't they understanding?

Easy. The players aren't executing what they're being asked to do BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CAPABLE.

(At least not for a whole match. See Carlton first quarter, Geelong last quarter.)

[Demon3 2,541]

Bennell just needs time,, lets not get to anxious about why he isnt playing.. miles in the legs..  he will be in in a couple of weeks.

Hunt is our only fwd who moves.. has to play..Its melksham thats the real worry at the moment.. he doesnt move, he stands there and wrestles, so does Bailey.. they need to move, open up teh fwd line.. its pretty basic. Watched teh Saints last night, geary led all teh time, left room in behind him, King moved, lead at teh ball.. 

I think we cna beat the Tigers i honestly do, i think we match up well on them.. if Goodwin and his mates in teh coaches  box are pro active. If Oliver is struggling, play him fwd, James Harmes is in no mans land at the moment, what is his exact role.. get him to run with Cotchin.. its what he does best.  Rest Gawn fwd.. Play Jackson.. It starts in teh box... and  while we bemoan players.. Goodwin is seriously out of form and needs to show us something that suggests he is capable of arresting a run and getting it back on our terms.

[Mental Demons 136]

2 hours ago, Grimes Times said:

Geelong never played like that against us. i think you have missed the point.

That is nonsense, the point is they were skilled and trained enough to have a plan and disciplined enough to get it to work. I do get your point that we have never had a shortened game without a crowd while social distancing was in place against Geelong. I think they showed more versatility than us and that is our weakness. The blame for that is at Goodwin's feet. In the post match Goodwin said as much.

[chook fowler 18,211]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

How many did Bennell's opponent have?

Case for the defence rests

I’m sorry but I think AVB and Hunt did SFA against Geelng.

[rjay 23,888]

25 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Easy. The players aren't executing what they're being asked to do BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CAPABLE.

(At least not for a whole match. See Carlton first quarter, Geelong last quarter.)

...and that goes to Wallace's point that we have players not at AFL standard.

[goodwindees 2,118]

5 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I’m sorry but I think AVB and Hunt did SFA against Geelng.

I can tell you for a fact that AVB is playing.

 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

If this weather holds which it is predicted to do it is gonna be a damm awful slog of a game. May come down to a lucky break or a sneaky goal here or there. All the more reason why I would have Bennell in the side. Kozzy and Bennell are the ones you want ball in hand at the death. Also Petracca near goals. Those three would have even the best defencers on edge.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,133]

2 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

I can tell you for a fact that AVB is playing.

 

Serious lack of integrity of selection there.

He was woeful last week and totally undercooked as was evidenced by that run down tackle and subsequent holding the ball against him.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,133]

No change I believe.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

Unchanged lineup.

Hopefully not the same story with the game plan.

 

[Engorged Onion 9,255]

11 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Serious lack of integrity of selection there.

He was woeful last week and totally undercooked as was evidenced by that run down tackle and subsequent holding the ball against him.

So when do you give blokes a chance to settle... only when they're 18-21yo's? Context matters 

Sorry but I cant find a way not to do this with sarcasm...

Think about this...no seriously, think about this.

What do players learn, if they are dropped after a [censored] match?

They learn never to [censored] up of course..never ever [censored] up, just don't do it, don't have a bad game, don't make individual errors, because your career (employment) is on the line.

And we all intuitively understand, that that is not the reality of sport. 

BUT, what do humans do all the [censored] time. They make errors.

 

Now your threshold as a viewer of this great team of ours, is clearly less, due to the context of the the W/L ratio. But not the FD... there must be something that they know, that you don't. What could it be?

 

What you don't do, is punish someone who makes errors, you don't just drop them...because what do they 'actually learn'? 

They learn, it's never appropriate to make mistakes, ever, never ever. 

Thus, how do they play? They play safe, so so so [censored] safe, that they never take risks... just look at old mate Billy Stretch.  They'll stop, they'll prop, they'll slow the game down, just so they feel safe enough to execute a 16m pass and not [censored] it up. Oh... and go against the team plan...taking the game on etc etc.

 

All clubs are willing to give personnel another chance due to circumstance, need etc (some would call it favourtism, or lack of integrity I suppose)

Edited July 3, 2020 by Engorged Onion

[Lord Nev 13,511]

4 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

So when do you give blokes a chance to settle... only when their 18-21yo's? Context matters 

Sorry but I cant find a way not to do this with sarcasm...

Think about this...no seriously, think about this.

What do players learn, if they are dropped after a [censored] match?

They learn never to [censored] up of course..never ever [censored] up, just don't do it, don't have a bad game, don't make individual errors, because your career (employment) is on the line.

And we all intuitively understand, that that is not the reality of sport. 

BUT, what do humans do all the [censored] time. They make errors.

 

Now your threshold as a viewer of this great team of ours, is clearly less, due to the context of the the W/L ratio. But not the FD... there must be something that they know, that you don't. What could it be?

 

What you don't do, is punish someone who makes errors, you don't just drop them...because what do they 'actually learn'? 

They learn, it's never appropriate to make mistakes, ever, never ever. 

Thus, how do they play? They play safe, so so so [censored] safe, that they never take risks... just look at old mate Billy Stretch. 

 

All clubs are willing to give personnel another chance due to circumstance, need etc (some would call it favourtism, or lack of integrity I suppose)

Bennell, ANB and Jackson all say this is rubbish.

 

[DemonOX 8,530]

Unchanged from last week. Awesome cause that worked really well and we won oh wait on.........

FMD MFC never fails to amaze and delight its supporters. 

[Rednblueriseing 649]

14 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Unchanged lineup.

Hopefully not the same story with the game plan.

 

I'm happy with no change I know we lost but the there were signs we are starting to get it together, even our connection in the forward half was ok the mids choose the right options, didn't take the marks to convert 

 

Edited July 3, 2020 by Rednblueriseing