POSTGAME: Rd 04 vs Geelong

[John Crow Batty 8,242]

If a jury had to weigh in to whether we have improved this season the unanimous verdict would be NO!
 

Edited June 28, 2020 by america de cali

[3Dee 1,153]

Sadly Brisbane have proven to surpass us for now. I hope we can find that 2018 form again because these Queenslanders are obnoxiously cocky right now.

[whatwhat say what 18,874]

either both sides were very ordinary or both sides were very mediocre or both sides were very bad or both sides were very good

i think it was sort of somewhere in between

ugly contest played between two evenly-matched defensive sides; reminded me a lot of the tiggas v the filth game on resumption

neither side could really effectively break down the other's defensive structures

it was a seesawing battle of skill error and general ineptitude

i was expected to get absolutely hammered, so technically we did far better than i expected

still disappointing, but we've had the weirdest start to the resumption of any club, having also had our rd 1 effected as we knew the season was in jeopardy before we took to the field

gonna be a weird old year

 

[Cheap Seats 3,300]

14 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

I agree that we make costly mistakes and cough up simple goals, BUT we go forward just about more than any other side, and there is absolutely no method to our attack, which is largely on Goodwin, especially due to the fact that it’s been the same story for the last 18 months.

Coupled with a forward line that is the worst in the league.

Im not off us, but I am not expecting the world until we are more reliable.

Kossi looks nice though.

[dazzledavey36 48,701]

3 minutes ago, 3Dee said:

Sadly Brisbane have proven to surpass us for now. I hope we can find that 2018 form again because these Queenslanders are obnoxiously cocky right now.

Coached by a very good coach in Chris Fagan. The guy that Neale Daniher speaks highly about his time when they were successful. 

God i miss those days.

[DEE fence 4,445]

God that was tough to watch.

1, Tmac presented way more, this is a positive. Brown in for Melksham, Fritsch to fwd pocket.

2, Poor bastards are out of touch, is this the coach or two serious games in 10 months, breathe folks.

3, Goodwhen is like the anti-Neeld, he needs to find a compromise as the pendulum has swung too far the other way. Kudos to Waynewussel for calling for calm, but I just really would like to see a 'run' option game plan that uses our so called Burgess fitness. Or something, anything, this rabbit in the headlights instinct the players have developed terrifies me. 

4, I really don't care what the whole footy world thinks, they can GAGF. These Einsteins thought the Sun's would be the spoon. Our list is not that bad, it is just about buying some belief, (could you tell me where it is for sale please?). 

5, Lever needs touch, his 2018 was like this as well, he gets another game.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

Mids remind me of kids at cricket who put their best scores on their bat. Love to rake up meaningless possessions.  Unable to find a man with their kicks. No wonder Hogan used to shake his head. We need a commanding forward who will give it to our over rated mids if they dont lower their eyes or time thie kicks.

[Coq au vin 754]

1 hour ago, dees189227 said:

Ugh those last 2 plays were shocking. Tomlinson was never going to kick that goal. At best he should have centered. Yes it may not have resulted in a goal but Gawn was down there pickett was circling. At least give thema  chance. 

Salem then chose to go wide when 3 cats players were there. Again just get it to the square. 

In the 3rd quarter we went back to handballing and instead of someone owning it to kick at the goals they kept handballing it around. Viney and Oliver both had chances to kick but chose to handpass. 

Inaccurate kicking again. 

He only missed by the length of my [censored]!

[Demon Dynasty 15,357]

38 minutes ago, Happy Jack said:

Man on man defence is hard work but aren’t we supposed to be fitter than ever? Only time we manned up was in the last three minutes - result was a turnover and Brayshaw goal. Allowed a slower older average team to dominate for long periods by persisting with guarding grass. Also Gawny is one of my favourites but he doesn’t seem to have any communication with our mids. 
Starting to think there is only one solution to stopping our talent going backwards - Get Clarkson!!

Is he out of contract at year's end?  Would he want to?  Add Clarkson and a genuine KF plus one more classy outside winger who can hit targets with toe (ie., who we should have looked for, not Tomlinson) and we would be playing regular finals.  Might even snag one.

[Coq au vin 754]

8 minutes ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

God that was tough to watch.

1, Tmac presented way more, this is a positive. Brown in for Melksham, Fritsch to fwd pocket.

2, Poor bastards are out of touch, is this the coach or two serious games in 10 months, breathe folks.

3, Goodwhen is like the anti-Neeld, he needs to find a compromise as the pendulum has swung too far the other way. Kudos to Waynewussel for calling for calm, but I just really would like to see a 'run' option game plan that uses our so called Burgess fitness. Or something, anything, this rabbit in the headlights instinct the players have developed terrifies me. 

4, I really don't care what the whole footy world thinks, they can GAGF. These Einsteins thought the Sun's would be the spoon. Our list is not that bad, it is just about buying some belief, (could you tell me where it is for sale please?). 

5, Lever needs touch, his 2018 was like this as well, he gets another game.

Yes! You are a voice of reason!

[Rab D Nesbitt 7,105]

33 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

Enough wins? Geelong we're laying down with that chippy chippy excrement they displayed today, wow wee.

We are a mess and knowhere near the level required for finals football.

Hi W4tA. I hear what you're saying and I might feel the same in a few weeks. Right now I'm more optimistic of there being a peace settlement in the Middle East than us fixing our forward 50 entry issues. That said I've felt far worse after a loss than today and am prepared to give everyone concerned a little more time before I start burning effigies of Goody. 

[Hogan2014 390]

1 hour ago, waynewussell said:

Give it a rest! You are no better than the leader of a lynch mob! Get some help on analysis! Stop potting the coach! You are not contributing to the club in any way! Trolling is a sub-standard existence. I'm calling you out!

 

Buck stops with Goody... can’t hide from the truth it’s the same issues as 2019 can’t score, invested heavily on 2 defenders & continue to have loose easy goals scored against, cam convert going forward. Understand covid has messed up every clubs preparation & the shortened game time will affect teams differently. We are a club starved of success & many clubs eg saints, Carlton, Nth, lions, suns appear to be passing us!

 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

12 minutes ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

God that was tough to watch.

1, Tmac presented way more, this is a positive. Brown in for Melksham, Fritsch to fwd pocket.

2, Poor bastards are out of touch, is this the coach or two serious games in 10 months, breathe folks.

3, Goodwhen is like the anti-Neeld, he needs to find a compromise as the pendulum has swung too far the other way. Kudos to Waynewussel for calling for calm, but I just really would like to see a 'run' option game plan that uses our so called Burgess fitness. Or something, anything, this rabbit in the headlights instinct the players have developed terrifies me. 

4, I really don't care what the whole footy world thinks, they can GAGF. These Einsteins thought the Sun's would be the spoon. Our list is not that bad, it is just about buying some belief, (could you tell me where it is for sale please?). 

5, Lever needs touch, his 2018 was like this as well, he gets another game.

Tmac presented and marked once.

Other Clubs also few games in 10 months

Like anti Neeld?

I argued with one of your mob the Suns have gone past us as a Club

Lever, has not proved anything yet.

[Queanbeyan Demon 5,912]

55 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

Attention coach assassins! Which teams in the 21st Century have won a Premiership because they changed the coach? Not saying they don't exist, just interested in the probability!

Easy question to answer . . . 2001/02/03, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2016, 2017, 2018. So only 12. 

[ProperDee 1,698]

If we had kicked that last minute goal I wonder if the “sack the coach” and derogatory comments about players would be here? It was 3 points guys. I think we’re going ok. A few tweaks, a bit of confidence, a bit of luck and we will be back on track. All is not lost. 

[DeeSpencer 23,090]

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

Nicely entrenched in the bottom 4 where we clearly belong. 
 

Our coach is truly a disgrace. I was waiting to see the team selections in action and boy was I right in my suspicious. Jetta for Lockhart, a miss. Played Hannan and AVB and Fritsch and Melksham which just makes no sense. 

No second tall forward even tho both Weid and Jackson are fit. 
Back line is also a [censored] show. People can have a go at Omac all they like, but he can actually defend. Joel Smith gives us nothing. How many times were we mismatched down back because we didn’t go in tall enough? 
 

I am so disappointed with our game plan and selections. A fully fit list and this is the [censored] we put on the field. 

Backs: Hibberd came in for Jetta and was better than Nev has been in the vast majority of games since 2018. Neither Hibberd nor Jetta have the pace or skill to play at half back these days. So you can only pick one. Lockhart started well then made some errors but overall was hardly the difference in the game. Joel Smith was excellent. Oscar couldn't make some of the spoils Joel made today and he absolutely couldn't follow up at ground level providing pressure and contributing to rebound. Yes Oscar could've taken Esava but then who takes Rohan? Who provides the pace to get up and back and can cover at ground level. 

Our much maligned backline has conceded 4 goals in the open halves the last two weeks. 4 goals in 4 quarters. When the midfield and forward pressure is decent they look good to me.

Forwards: Melksham was our second tall forward. He's too lazy to be anything else but is also consistently better in the air than Jackson or Weid would be. Jackson is 6'7 but has no judgement of the ball in the air, he's a flanker in a rucks body if you're playing him forward. Weid can't hold a mark, I'd have no issue with Weid over Melksham but it's marginal at best. Play both forward and our spluttering forward pressure only gets worse - personally I think Melk should be able to play wing and Weid relief ruck and get rid of Tomlinson but I doubt that's happening. Hannan was good, best he's moved and tackled in a long time. Hunt was competitive too.

Mids: AVB gave us the extra midfield grunt and rotations on the wing to let Tomlinson do a bit of ruck and have some rest. We'd all rather a fit and healthy Harley Bennell but that was deemed not at option. The midfield composition is a big problem but I'd love to know any solutions apart from Harley and Vanders. Harmes back in at least helped the defensive efforts.

 

 

[Forest Demon 4,681]

2 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

If we had kicked that last minute goal I wonder if the “sack the coach” and derogatory comments about players would be here? It was 3 points guys. I think we’re going ok. A few tweaks, a bit of confidence, a bit of luck and we will be back on track. All is not lost. 

The performance in isolation isn’t the end of the world. It’s the fact that it was another game we should have won on the balance of play, yet we again showed no consistent way to goal.

Tbh, I’m not even fussed about this season, but we need to show improvement going forward before the end of the year, otherwise we should make a move imo.

[DemonOX 8,529]

Geelong aren’t that good but unfortunately we are worse. 
 

Well done dees We have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Bravo. 

[DEE fence 4,445]

15 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

Tmac presented and marked once.

Other Clubs also few games in 10 months

Like anti Neeld?

I argued with one of your mob the Suns have gone past us as a Club

Lever, has not proved anything yet.

I saw Tmac at more contests as a presence, I felt like he was getting to the play more. Would I like to see 8 contested grabs and 4 goals, of course I would, the point is their is improvement.

There are a few sides with rust it's a call for 3 more games before we get properly snarky about the coach.

I'd like to see a little more fire and brimstone, sometimes it feels a little to millenial the coaching. Also I don't think he would naturally be like that, his style seems a bit forced and without passion, I want passion from the coach too.

Deh, yes they have won 3 games, your point being?

Lever this season or ever? The problem with a loss is all the flaws just seem like one big issue an inch from your nose. Breathe in your own time, take a step back and look a little more calmly. Lever has for instance shown he is capable of playing...

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[layzie 28,652]

6 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

If we had kicked that last minute goal I wonder if the “sack the coach” and derogatory comments about players would be here? It was 3 points guys. I think we’re going ok. A few tweaks, a bit of confidence, a bit of luck and we will be back on track. All is not lost. 

Probably not but I think the mood would have been similar to after the Carlton game, would have papered over some cracks.

[Elegt 872]

1 minute ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

I saw Tmac at more contests as a presence, I felt like he was getting to the play more. Would I like to see 8 contested grabs and 4 goals, of course I would, the point is their is improvement.

There are a few sides with rust it's a call for 3 more games before we get properly snarky about the coach.

I'd like to see a little more fire and brimstone, sometimes it feels a little to millenial the coaching. Also I don't think he would naturally be like that, his style seems a bit forced and without passion, I want passion from the coach too.

Deh, yes they have one 3 games, your point being?

Lever this season or ever? The problem with a loss is all the flaws just seem like one big issue an inch from your nose. Breathe in your own time, take a step back and look a little more calmly. Lever has for instance shown he is capable of playing...

What has lever shown 

[Coq au vin 754]

Geelong are bigger bodied, more experienced and have more elite players.

[DemonOX 8,529]

Bring on Ross Lyon for 2021 please. 

[DeeZee 6,727]

Unfortunately it’s looking  more and more that 2018 was the aberration. 
The main worry for me is that we have easily the worst forward line in the league over the past two seasons.

[FarNorthernD 5,839]

Complete overrreaction. They obviously haven’t watched a Melbourne games over the past 40 years.