Jump to content

Discussion on recent allegations about the use of illicit drugs in football is forbidden
  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Posting unsubstantiated rumours on this website is strictly forbidden.

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the issue of illicit drugs in footy, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


Tom McDonald - How long do we wait?


Pates

Recommended Posts

On 6/19/2020 at 6:43 PM, Pates said:

Going to start this by saying I think he still has the goods in him to get back to being a good power forward. Perhaps not the 50+ goal a year forward we need but still capable of 30-40+.

Having said that Tom has been poor for a while now. Like others he had injury issues coming into 2019 which made him start slow and aside from the Carlton game which he subsequently got injured, he never really played a game worth noting. Now in 2020, with a full pre-season of fitness under his belt, he has started with two poor games. The question in the title says it all: how long do we wait for him to turn it around?

This could potentially tie in with Weiderman and how he isn't being played, where if Tom's poor form continues and maybe if Sam is banging down the door, perhaps Sam takes on the full mantle of the FF role. 

I have long believed that Tom's form is massively linked to our ability to compete with the best, without a key forward target taking grabs, we look really lost as a team.

Taking the line from the page heading..We dont ... Package him and his Brother of and get players who can KICK GOALS.. LOTS OF THEM!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Jacob Weitering has been having a stellar season and added another scalp this season, Tmac has another 2 weeks before going back....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Tom is a gun but looks sore to me. He has the turning circle of a truck at the moment but I still think we're a better side with him in it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

35 minutes ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

Tom is a gun but looks sore to me. He has the turning circle of a truck at the moment but I still think we're a better side with him in it.

No Tom isn't a Gun, he is a bloke that had a good season and was almost out the door, he found life going forward but hasn't fired a shot for since 2018.  The big concern is marking, he always has been a good contested mark, now he just can't grab them and is being pushed off the ball to easy.

We put all our eggs in the 2018 finals combination of Weid and TMac, we have no developing tall forwards at our Club, Jackson will be a ruck not forward, even Petty is a defender that we are trying to do a Tmac with and make him a forward.  

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 6/19/2020 at 11:24 PM, Pennant St Dee said:

Let's not rewrite history to suit the narrative

Our defence badly needed fixing, defence is what wins you premierships, we went on a nice run in 2018  without Hogan but let's be honest we weren't really up there with the top 3 other sides.

and and here are some facts

Hogan wanted to get back to Perth, Melbourne did not move him on, but they saw an opportunity to fix our biggest deficiency.

Watts needed to be moved and you will find a big call and say was made by the leadership group, in this. A big statement re committment by senior players was required 

Goals win premierships. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

20 minutes ago, drdrake said:

No Tom isn't a Gun, he is a bloke that had a good season and was almost out the door, he found life going forward but hasn't fired a shot for since 2018.  The big concern is marking, he always has been a good contested mark, now he just can't grab them and is being pushed off the ball to easy.

We put all our eggs in the 2018 finals combination of Weid and TMac, we have no developing tall forwards at our Club, Jackson will be a ruck not forward, even Petty is a defender that we are trying to do a Tmac with and make him a forward.  

He's not getting near it and isn't getting anywhere near the space he had in 2018. His ability to catch the thing hasn't gone anywhere - he's not moving well at all and that's his strength, his ability to run his man around and still have plenty in the tank.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

He's not getting near it and isn't getting anywhere near the space he had in 2018. His ability to catch the thing hasn't gone anywhere - he's not moving well at all and that's his strength, his ability to run his man around and still have plenty in the tank.

So lets stop picking him for the player he was.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Just read the thread and a few thoughts on various posts.

1. In regards to May.
Many players get drafted as forwards, can't cut it and get tried back.
May might be able to pinch hit but that'll be it.
Pretty sure TMac was drafted as a forward also, the pinch hitter that got stuck there.

2. Tmac was terrifying coming out've defence with the ball.
He either got caught or butchered the kick.
He also did best up forward when he worked wth Hogan both using their aerobic abiliities to run their opponents up and down the ground.
Hasn't been near as successful as the stay at home KP as we know.
 
3. Saty .... We did bomb the hell out've the forward line in 2018 and previous.
Goodwin even called it "Chaos Ball."
Very few of our goals were created with precision, it was like watching rugby most the time.

4. We do have a potential tall mobile forward in Jackson if he comes on.
 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

37 minutes ago, My name is legion said:

Goals win premierships. 

As do big forwards who can take a big grabs when the Hail Marys are coming in.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 6/19/2020 at 2:54 PM, Deestar9 said:

At the moment...Jeremy Cameron says hi ?it is & will be a bizarre season ...let’s give the players a bit of leeway for a few weeks ...

Jeremy has not re-signed with the Giants yet. I'd put a bit of money on MFC spending big to return him South. We need a big key forward and big key forwards need to be needed.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

58 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

As do big forwards who can take a big grabs when the Hail Marys are coming in.

And if we kick all our goals by our small players,  during H&A games...  and then bring-in another tall for finals,  as other clubs have already stated to use a smaller back-line structure.

Speed kills.  as do mismatches.

Edited by MyFavouriteMartian
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Fork 'em said:

Just read the thread and a few thoughts on various posts.

1. In regards to May.
Many players get drafted as forwards, can't cut it and get tried back.
May might be able to pinch hit but that'll be it.
Pretty sure TMac was drafted as a forward also, the pinch hitter that got stuck there.

2. Tmac was terrifying coming out've defence with the ball.
He either got caught or butchered the kick.
He also did best up forward when he worked wth Hogan both using their aerobic abiliities to run their opponents up and down the ground.
Hasn't been near as successful as the stay at home KP as we know.
 
3. Saty .... We did bomb the hell out've the forward line in 2018 and previous.
Goodwin even called it "Chaos Ball."
Very few of our goals were created with precision, it was like watching rugby most the time.

4. We do have a potential tall mobile forward in Jackson if he comes on.
 

i think we should manage Jackson the same way Gold Coast and the Saints have done with the King twins.

Give him a year or two in the Magoos and solid gym work before playing him again.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 6/19/2020 at 9:08 PM, Pates said:

Difference is the JC has a lot more seasons backed up, Tom has one outstanding season and half a season where he started his swing forward.

JC's had about 2,000 pre-seasons to get it right.

13 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

I would give Tom another game and then it is over to Weids to have a fair crack at it. If he still has it Tom will work his way back into the side. Just treat him with respect and the rest is up to him and a spot opening up. 

I doubt either McDonald or Weideman will succeed if they are the only tall forward. I'd like to see them play together. It still might not work, but I think there's a much better chance of success if they are sharing the load.  After all, Tom played his best football forward when he was the second tall. Now he's the only tall, and it becomes a different game for him altogether.

Mind you, if he gets his body right, Petty might overtake both of them and in the not too distant future it might be a Petty/Jackson tall forward combination.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

30 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

JC's had about 2,000 pre-seasons to get it right.

I doubt either McDonald or Weideman will succeed if they are the only tall forward. I'd like to see them play together. It still might not work, but I think there's a much better chance of success if they are sharing the load.  After all, Tom played his best football forward when he was the second tall. Now he's the only tall, and it becomes a different game for him altogether.

Mind you, if he gets his body right, Petty might overtake both of them and in the not too distant future it might be a Petty/Jackson tall forward combination.

Agree on Petty. He looked like he could hold his body in the key forward post and had some presence of those around him. Early days but hold some hope. Get him to watch old footage of highly respected Mark Maclure play the position

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, chook fowler said:

i think we should manage Jackson the same way Gold Coast and the Saints have done with the King twins.

Give him a year or two in the Magoos and solid gym work before playing him again.

It is the Kings second year. They never played a year or two in the seconds. The StKilda King didn't play last year due to an ACL and the GC King played 14 senior game last year. I think you should re-evaluate your management plan.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


1 hour ago, Grimes Times said:

It is the Kings second year. They never played a year or two in the seconds. The StKilda King didn't play last year due to an ACL and the GC King played 14 senior game last year. I think you should re-evaluate your management plan.

My bad. However, Jackson looks far from ready.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

 

JC's had about 2,000 pre-seasons to get it right.

 

And were still trying to wear low cut boots.   Some things never change.

Ps: can someone please talk to him about that aura-ring on his head.  It just does not go with our jumper.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Tmac can help our forward line out immensely if used correctly. He does however need to be fit and able to make long leads up the ground all day, creating space behind him, which opens up our forward line. He isn't he answer for us as a goal kicking forward, but he can still be used to improve our forward line. Just have to use him right. Keeping him out of the 50 not only opens it up, but drags out an additional defender that only becomes a burden when we do bomb it in (which we do all day). If we are going to continue to bomb it into our forward 50 (which nothing suggests we won't), then we need to open it up and give ourselves a chance. Otherwise its just more inside 50's that go no where. 

Edited by KingDingAling
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 6/21/2020 at 9:39 PM, Every Game in '64 said:

TMac should go back.

Play him in the back line where he made his name.

Bring Joel Smith to the forward line.

 

Play Weid off the bench.

So you are happy to wait another 55 years for our next flag then 64?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 6/22/2020 at 1:11 PM, drdrake said:

No Tom isn't a Gun, he is a bloke that had a good season and was almost out the door, he found life going forward but hasn't fired a shot for since 2018.  The big concern is marking, he always has been a good contested mark, now he just can't grab them and is being pushed off the ball to easy.

We put all our eggs in the 2018 finals combination of Weid and TMac, we have no developing tall forwards at our Club, Jackson will be a ruck not forward, even Petty is a defender that we are trying to do a Tmac with and make him a forward.  

Ty Dr.  Can't argue with any of that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 6/22/2020 at 2:23 PM, Grr-owl said:

Jeremy has not re-signed with the Giants yet. I'd put a bit of money on MFC spending big to return him South. We need a big key forward and big key forwards need to be needed.

One can only hope Grr

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 6/22/2020 at 3:39 PM, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

JC's had about 2,000 pre-seasons to get it right.

I doubt either McDonald or Weideman will succeed if they are the only tall forward. I'd like to see them play together. It still might not work, but I think there's a much better chance of success if they are sharing the load.  After all, Tom played his best football forward when he was the second tall. Now he's the only tall, and it becomes a different game for him altogether.

Mind you, if he gets his body right, Petty might overtake both of them and in the not too distant future it might be a Petty/Jackson tall forward combination.

They have played together a number of times from recollection LDv.  Aside from a few patches in 2nd half of 2018, when the whole team was up and about, i can't recall them kicking bags of goals (or even a decent return consistently) between them.

We need a MOBILE marking geniune KF or two who are capable of taking regular contested / pack marks and can finish off (honour) the good work thats getting the ball inside 50 so often (incentive).

So far the only player on our list who i've seen show small glimpses of looking like a 'Genuine' one of those on occasions and presents as a mobile marking / target....has been Petty.  The one player who should be getting more game time (trialled) here but can't get on the park (yes a bit of MFCSS)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all.    On that rainy Friday night at the Adelaide Oval, Ken Hinkley’s young midfield secured much more than four points on offer. The victory over one of the big dogs of the competition after a succession of wins over some of its lesser lights gave his team respect and validation fo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Monday 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training. DEMON DYNASTY'S TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Kade Chandler's left knee heavily strapped. BBB, Spargs & Jake Lever also in rehab group. Jake Bowey solo running separate kicking/sprint/agility drills. Super fine morning / early arvo at Gosch's for the boys to blow out some cobwebs. Choco initially had the light duties / rehab group

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter. By the time they worked out it was game on, their opponents from Box Hill had accumulated five goals and, if the game wasn’t over, it might as well have been. For a se

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head. The Demons have now won nine of their last ten encounters with the other result, a draw.     And like a fork, it was the multi-pronged options that Melbourne had all across the ground.  It certainly helped that Hawthorn

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 8

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in the Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out?

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 278

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 25th March @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons victory at the MCG against the Hawks in the Round 02. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & Chat

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 46

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 50

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 363

    GAMEDAY: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 437
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast Stream 


    Open Stream in
    New Window
        TuneIn    Opens in New Tab
  • Support Demonland  



  • 2021 Premiership  

  • Social Media 

  • Non MFC Games  

    NON-MFC: Round 03

    Discussion of all the other games that don't involve the Demons in Round 03 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | Round 03

  • Match Preview      

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 27

  • Latest Podcast      

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The boys dissected the clinical thrashing of Hawks praising the immense performance of Christian Petracca whilst lamenting the injury toll to our defensive unit ... LISTEN

    Demonland | March 26

  • Training  

    Monday, 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • Casey Report      

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • PreGame      

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head out on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out? ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 28

  • Match Report      

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Post Game      

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Votes      

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Game Day      

    GAMEDAY: Round 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Training  

    Friday, 22nd March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin and I attended the Captain's Run at Gosch's Paddock on this lovely sunny morning to bring you the following observations from the training session ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 22

  • Training  

    Tuesday, 19th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin & Walking Civil War attended Tuesday morning's training session at Gosch's Paddock to bring you the following observations ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 19

  • Training  

    Saturday, 16th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Dee Zephyr wandered down to Gosch's Paddock on Saturday morning to bring you their observations from the Captain's Run in the lead up to Sunday's Round One match against the Bulldogs ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 16

  • Farewell  

    Angus Brayshaw Retires

    After 167 games including the drought breaking Premiership Angus Brayshaw has made the heart breaking decision to medically retire from football as a result of a series of serious head knocks over his nearly decade of footy. We wish Gus all the best and he'll always be a hero at Demonland ... READ MORE

    Demonland | February 22

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Koltyn Tholstrup Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club’s newest recruit Koltyn Tholstrup to have a chat about his journey from the farm to the Demons, his first few weeks of preseason training, which Dees have impressed him on the track and his aspirations of playing Round 1 ... LISTEN

    Demonland | December 14

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Jason Taylor Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club's National Recruitment Manager Jason Taylor to have a chat about our Trade and Draft period, our newest recruits, our recent recruits who have yet to debut as well as those father son prospects on the horizon ... LISTEN

    Demonland | November 27

  • Next Match 

    .

    Round 03

       vs   

    Saturday 30th March 2024
    @ 07:30pm (AO)

  • MFC Forum  

  • Match Previews & Reports  

  • Training Forum  

  • AFLW Forum  

  • 2024 Player Sponsorship

  • Topics

  • Injury List  


      PLAYER INJURY LENGTH
    Jake Lever Knee Test
    Clayton Oliver Hand Test
    Oliver Sestan Concussion Test
    Steven May Ribs 1 Week
    Lachie Hunter Calf 1 Week
    Daniel Turner Hip 2-3 Weeks
    Charlie Spargo Achilles 2-4 Weeks
    Shane McAdam Hamstring 3-5 Weeks
    Jake Bowey Shoulder 7 Weeks
    Jake Melksham ACL 12-14 Weeks
    Joel Smith Suspension TBA

  • Player of the Year  


        PLAYER VOTES
    1 Christian Petracca 27
    2 Steven May 25
    3 Max Gawn 21
    4 Jack Viney 20
    5 Bayley Fritsch 19
    6 Clayton Oliver 18
    7 Christian Salem 12
    8 Blake Howes 11
    9 Jack Billings 10
    9 Alex Neal-Bullen 10

        FULL TABLE
  • Demonland Interviews 



  • Upcoming Events 

×
×
  • Create New...