Weideman's Future?

[D4Life 2,299]

Presented, contested, grabbed 2, kicked 2, got pushed in back probably 6 times.

Play him for the rest of the season and let him build some continuity and confidence!

[Rednblueriseing 649]

3 hours ago, D4Life said:

Presented, contested, grabbed 2, kicked 2, got pushed in back probably 6 times.

Play him for the rest of the season and let him build some continuity and confidence!

Couldn't agree more looks like he is scared to make a mistake cos he will get dropped, Needs to be told your playing for the rest of the season as long as you crash packs and have second efforts, the goals will come 

[Willmoy1947 3,769]

Almost gave me the"old Weideman smile" of how much he liked it. Turned a corner i reckon.

[Lord Travis 10,161]

He played his role yesterday. He provides us a strong target inside 50, and though he doesn’t clunk all the marks he crashes packs and creates opportunities for our smalls. Another thing I liked is that he doesn’t get sucked up the ground like others in the forwardline - he anchors himself closer to goal and it improves our entire structure. If he plays that same role he did yesterday he’d kick 40 goals a year and setup many more.

He needs to stay in the team and needs to be played forward, not swung around the ground in the ruck. Sure he can take ruck contests inside 50, but he stays inside 50.

Edited July 12, 2020 by Lord Travis

[Demon Disciple 10,923]

He should be designated as our #1 up forward, leading our attack. I reckon he will come on if given that kind of responsibility.

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

The first contested mark was a beauty.  Its what we have missed since Hogan left and  its what we need from Weid.

[Bay Riffin 1,413]

It was a pass yesterday with a couple of good marks. Question I have when we snap a quick kick forward how often does his opponent mark Lin stead of him? Almost always. One on one push and shove he is quite poor. When he gets a run at it he is potentially very good. I was hoping by now he could push off his opponent a bit better. 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

32 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

It was a pass yesterday with a couple of good marks. Question I have when we snap a quick kick forward how often does his opponent mark Lin stead of him? Almost always. One on one push and shove he is quite poor. When he gets a run at it he is potentially very good. I was hoping by now he could push off his opponent a bit better. 

He is a leading type forward, keep playing him to his strengths. That GC kid who was taking all the marks is a star. 

[John Lord 124]

Defenders covered him more than would normally happen. T Mac looked good early in game because defenders needed to cover both Weid and Tom. When Tom went of the defenders then just needed to cover Weid. This made his efforts yesterday even more commendable. He will get better with more games under his belt.

[Sir Why You Little 34,430]

Deserved his spot in the side. Needs more games...

[Deeko2 698]

Please for Weid but still needs to build he strength around the legs and backside.

He definitely gets outbodied a bit and shoved under the ball but this will come.

Played his role yesterday clunking a couple and crashing some packs. The structure looks a thousand times better with him in.

Hopefully they just play him all year now as a second target. Gives Maxy a rest not having to push forward so much

[Engorged Onion 9,255]

10 minutes ago, John Lord said:

Defenders covered him more than would normally happen. T Mac looked good early in game because defenders needed to cover both Weid and Tom. When Tom went of the defenders then just needed to cover Weid. This made his efforts yesterday even more commendable. He will get better with more games under his belt.

Bang on John, I'd be signing him up for the next 5 years...big breakout coming up

[Demon Disciple 10,923]

Yesterday was just his 32nd game. He still has a heap of learning and development to go through before he reaches his peak.

Just needs to learn how to use his big bodied presence more. The 2018 EF & SF shows he can do it.

[defuture15 844]

I think he needs to workout with Omac

He looks a solid unit now!

[Watts the matter 1,235]

He was serviceable. Kicking straight made a big difference as he was out marked and failed to make a contest on too many occasions. When he does contest and split packs it looks great but doesn't do it often enough.

People saying he needs to play the rest of the year based on that performance are kidding themselves. He has earned his game next week and that's it at this stage.

Edited July 12, 2020 by Watts the matter

[Mickey 4,173]

26 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Yesterday was just his 32nd game. He still has a heap of learning and development to go through before he reaches his peak.

Just needs to learn how to use his big bodied presence more. The 2018 EF & SF shows he can do it.

Only just turned 23 as well. Anyone expecting him to play like a 26-27 year old big key forward is kidding themselves.

It's time for him to show a bit, but we can't expect him to dominate. I think people see a Hogan type come straight in an dominate and expect all talks to do it. It just doesn't happen.

Edit: for comparisons sake. Hawkins break out year was the year he turned 24 (2012). Until then, he had done very little (except win 2 flags of course). 18 games and 21 goals in 2010, and dropped from the seniors in 2011.

I'm not saying Weid will be a Hawkins, but all but the very special big guys take time.

Edited July 12, 2020 by Mickey

[Watts the matter 1,235]

6 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Only just turned 23 as well. Anyone expecting him to play like a 26-27 year old big key forward is kidding themselves.

It's time for him to show a bit, but we can't expect him to dominate. I think people see a Hogan type come straight in an dominate and expect all talks to do it. It just doesn't happen.

Edit: for comparisons sake. Hawkins break out year was the year he turned 24 (2012). Until then, he had done very little (except win 2 flags of course). 18 games and 21 goals in 2010, and dropped from the seniors in 2011.

I'm not saying Weid will be a Hawkins, but all but the very special big guys take time.

For every Hawkins you could find 20 other key position players with similar outputs in their first few years.

The very special talls show it from day one with glimpses. I don't see it with Weideman.

This Weideman talk has been going on for the last 3 years now and it drives me nuts. I hope he does well but his poor agility and lack of ground level game will always hold him back.

I've mentioned it before but he has shown the least (maybe on par with Schache) out of all the talls from the first round in his draft. Most of them are also struggling this season but he has still shown the least. Hipwood, Curnow, McKay, Himmelberg, Weitering and Schache.

[Mickey 4,173]

47 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

For every Hawkins you could find 20 other key position players with similar outputs in their first few years.

The very special talls show it from day one with glimpses. I don't see it with Weideman.

This Weideman talk has been going on for the last 3 years now and it drives me nuts. I hope he does well but his poor agility and lack of ground level game will always hold him back.

I've mentioned it before but he has shown the least (maybe on par with Schache) out of all the talls from the first round in his draft. Most of them are also struggling this season but he has still shown the least. Hipwood, Curnow, McKay, Himmelberg, Weitering and Schache.

Weitering has only just come good, and he was a number 1 draft pick. Hipwood and Curnow play as tall flankers rather than key forwards. 

McKay is another who is only just coming on and I think will be a good player. But these guys are only just coming into the age where they should be impacting consistently. 

All I'm saying is writing him off at this stage is a tad premature in my opinion.

[Jaded No More 57,784]

For someone who hasn’t played for a very long time at senior level and given our generally woeful delivery forward, he did as well as can be expected. 

He attacks the contests and he rarely gets out marked which means he nullifies the constant stream of slow high bombs that go into our forward 50 which at least created a ground level contest and allows us to lock the ball in. 
We were so much better at keeping the contest in our front half yesterday simply for this reason. We had repeated entries and while they didn’t always work like in previous weeks, yesterday the ball didn’t just bounce in and then straight out again. 

He did his job, and injuries aside, should be given every game for the rest of this season.

Would love to see a full game of him and Tmac as our two talls. Both would benefit greatly from not taking multiple tall defenders individually, and there is no doubt our structure would look much better too. 

[markc 975]

I just hope we leave him in the team for 4 - 5 weeks 

he will have bad patches even games , but he will learn , let him play 

[nosoupforme 3,085]

It is not Rocket science that we need two tall forwards as focal points and one of them to crash the pack for the crumbers every now and again. The Weid  IMO is  crucial and now must be paired with another tall, may it be Brown Tmac or Petty when fit.

He had a good game without TMac and held his own. Needs a partner in crime.  I hope Goody plays him and gives him time to perform.

Edited July 12, 2020 by nosoupforme

[Macca 16,173]

I thought Sam presented and played quite well on Saturday.  All things considered.  Kudos.

It's a tough gig playing as a KPF these days.  Crowded forward lines & zones makes it near impossible for a KPF to stand out.

So the expectations need to be tempered.  A lot of grunt work for not a lot of reward.  But without that structure,  our forward line is up against it. 

And he's still learning. 

You'd like to imagine that Sam would be getting some specialised coaching because again,  it's a tough role to excel at.  Body positioning,  knowing where to be and where to lead to as well as the other basics often need to be taught.  Unless said player is a bit of a natural.

And if T-Mac is out next game we need to place another tall in the forward line otherwise Weideman can be double-teamed out of the contest (esp against a team like the Hawks) Brown is the back-up so he looks the logical replacement.  Petracca & Gawn can drift forward to help out. 

Not sure Weideman or Brown are suited as forwards who can roam far and wide as T-Mac can do (when he's on song) so we might have to improvise in that area.  Melk & Fritsch can both play as high half forwards so there's that option.

[Pates 9,536]

If we were marking him on a A+ to F system I’d give him maybe a generous B+, he had good periods to the game where he was timing his runs well to give him the best opportunity to mark it or at the very least bring it to ground. Ironically his best passage of play involved him not even marking the ball, he had three opponents going up for the same ball as him and he crashed the pack (taking out another suns player) and it resulted in a goal for us. It was Neitz/Ox like. 

2 goals and 2 contested marks is a decent first up effort, I’d hope this is a starting point. Need a bit more follow up work as well which was a highlight of his at the end of 2018. 

[Kent 2,581]

13 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

For every Hawkins you could find 20 other key position players with similar outputs in their first few years.

The very special talls show it from day one with glimpses. I don't see it with Weideman.

This Weideman talk has been going on for the last 3 years now and it drives me nuts. I hope he does well but his poor agility and lack of ground level game will always hold him back.

I've mentioned it before but he has shown the least (maybe on par with Schache) out of all the talls from the first round in his draft. Most of them are also struggling this season but he has still shown the least. Hipwood, Curnow, McKay, Himmelberg, Weitering and Schache.

yes and at pick 9 he was amongst the most fancied

[Rednblueriseing 649]

17 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

He should be designated as our #1 up forward, leading our attack. I reckon he will come on if given that kind of responsibility.

Wouldn't it be great if w e could finally develop our own