POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Carlton

[old dee 22,848]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Laziness and selfishness. Players have been getting away with this for ages. It's crucial, especially in the forward line to run hard for a ball you know you're not going to get to create space behind you for your teammates to work in. Along with failing to shepherd for your teammates after dishing off the footy its one of things that does my head in.

WE having been watching this for the last four years  Dr. you would think that someone in the FD would notice.

[old dee 22,848]

1 minute ago, Return to Glory said:

Old Dee, I haven't been sleeping well. I recommend it.

Nah, I caught it whilst channel surfing.

 

 

I have a feeling a lot of the players have stopped listen or never started as well.

[DistrACTION Jackson 6,418]

Anyone unhappy with our game last night need to look at some other results this weekend.

Eagles spanked by last year's wooden spooners.

Giants beaten at home by a Roos team that traveled up on the same day.

Just have to take the wins no matter how we get them.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Collar-Jazz-Knee

[Half forward flank 1,022]

6 minutes ago, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

Anyone unhappy with our game last night need to look at some other results this weekend.

Eagles spanked by last year's wooden spooners.

Giants beaten at home by a Roos team that traveled up on the same day.

Just have to take the wins no matter how we get them.

Rubbish, Eagles will not be down for long. Gold Coast have overtaken us and already have a second gamer who is better than any of our players bar, Gawn. No interest in Roos V Giants but Giants are still miles ahead of us. 

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Just now, Half forward flank said:

Rubbish, Eagles will not be down for long. Gold Coast have overtaken us and already have a second gamer who is better than any of our players bar, Gawn. No interest in Roos V Giants but Giants are still miles ahead of us. 

Gold.

GC have overtaken us off the back of one game.  It's their first win in 17 matches but that constitutes overtaking us.

And he has little interest in the Roos and Giants because it doesn't fit the narrative.  

Love it.

[Diamond_Jim 11,740]

3 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

No interest in Roos V Giants but Giants are still miles ahead of us.

Actually the Roos and Hawks are the teams we have to match before we get into the big time.

The sad news is that we are probably still short of them. At this stage we should be ahead of Port but we are at the near bottom.

Injury free we win a few more games...maybe as many as eight for the season but you can never help but wonder what might have been with a better coach.

[Demon Dynasty 15,385]

1 hour ago, Buzzy said:

Whilst I'm sure he'll be better for the run, I prefer Smith up forward... 

God knows we were crying out for a target at half forward yesterday.

Agree re Petty, he looks cumbersome but seems to get to the right spots.  Where is he at the moment? Or just not best 22...

 

According to the website an indefinite groin injury Buzzy.  Sadly we haven't had a consistent impact regular goal kicking KPF at the MFC since Neitz and that feels like a lifetime ago now.

[titan_uranus 22,290]

2 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

MFC had more than a year to plan for the loss and replacement of a blue chip ,once in a generation forward in Hogan. And what do we do, quickly rush at a deal for a CHB we play at full back. That play has thrown our goal to goal line completely out of whack and something we are still playing with like deckchairs on the titanic.

When we lost Hogan we had TMac who had kicked 53 goals in 20 games and we had Weideman who had taken the finals by storm.

But we had OMac and Frost as our key defenders.

Hindsight, hindsight, hindsight.

2 hours ago, binman said:

On that lever kick I criticised him for floating that kick (a technique issue) and not putting it to fritters advantage (which given the situation had to be his right side so if he couldn't mark he get get it over the line).

But you're right why were there not more dees players in that area. As you say that was where he had to kick it. It was actually 5 v 2 in that area. We were super lucky we won that ball as if they won it, as they probably should have, it would have gone straight back inside their 50. We got it inside our 50 and that was that.

The other thing I found perplexing was why at least one player didn't gut run to provide a short option. Even if lever doesn't kick it to them it stretches their coverage and mitigates against an out number.

Agree with this.

Smith and TMac just stood in the defensive 50 doing nothing. Presumably crossing their fingers that Lever would find a magic target on a wing full of Carlton players and they'd be OK.

Too often we see too many of our players failing to gut run when we need it. TMac is a senior player. Inexcusable. We see it from Jones, Brayshaw and Oliver as well. It's not good enough.

[leave it to deever 15,317]

21 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

2 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

the titanic.

When we lost Hogan we had TMac who had kicked 53 goals in 20 games and we had Weideman who had taken the finals by storm.

Ive always argued the importance of having 3 talls to have up forward. Always. Despite being knocked for it, i still think its crucial.

3 key forwards and not 2 and a utility.

One at best gets injured and the other loses form and hey how come we dont have a forward line.

By all means get a strong defence but lets kick goals to defend in the first place.

Given our recent lack of quality crumbers, the club has been shortsighted in not concentrating on this issue.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

19 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

When we lost Hogan we had TMac who had kicked 53 goals in 20 games and we had Weideman who had taken the finals by storm.

But we had OMac and Frost as our key defenders.

Hindsight, hindsight, hindsight.

Agree with this.

Smith and TMac just stood in the defensive 50 doing nothing. Presumably crossing their fingers that Lever would find a magic target on a wing full of Carlton players and they'd be OK.

Too often we see too many of our players failing to gut run when we need it. TMac is a senior player. Inexcusable. We see it from Jones, Brayshaw and Oliver as well. It's not good enough.

Well, gotta say you have no idea. Hogan was a star who made defenders nervous with his talent and allowed McDonald to play second fiddle.  If you think Lever is a major improvement on Frost or McDonald, well good for you. Could not care less. 

[Demon Dynasty 15,385]

2 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

MFC had more than a year to plan for the loss and replacement of a blue chip ,once in a generation forward in Hogan. And what do we do, quickly rush at a deal for a CHB we play at full back. That play has thrown our goal to goal line completely out of whack and something we are still playing with like deckchairs on the titanic.

Is it time to trial May at FF and move T-Mac down back once again?  Either that or play T-Mac only from the square as we did in 2018.  Looks completely lost higher up the ground lately.

At this point in time our structure is non existent forward of centre in the two key forward positions. 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Gold.

GC have overtaken us off the back of one game.  It's their first win in 17 matches but that constitutes overtaking us.

And he has little interest in the Roos and Giants because it doesn't fit the narrative.  

Love it.

And more, Gold Coast have more young talent than us, they have a world class training and admin facility, a good coach They have an AFL admin desperate for them to succeed and you dont think they have overtaken us. 

[Wiseblood 24,636]

1 minute ago, Half forward flank said:

And more, Gold Coast have more young talent than us, they have a world class training and admin facility, a good coach They have an AFL admin desperate for them to succeed and you dont think they have overtaken us. 

No, I don't.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

6 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Ive always argued the importance of having 3 talls to have up forward. Always. Despite being knocked for it, i still think its crucial.

3 key forwards and not 2 and a utility.

One at best gets injured and the other loses form and hey how come we dont have a forward line.

By all means get a strong defence but lets kick goals to defend in the first place.

Given our recent lack of quality crumbers, the club has been shortsighted in not concentrating on this issue.

Agree. But you cannot change the views of some on here or the idiot football dept.

[leave it to deever 15,317]

8 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Is it time to trial May at FF and move T-Mac down back once again?  Either that or play T-Mac only from the square as we did in 2018.  Looks completely lost higher up the ground lately.

At this point in time our structure is non existent forward of centre in the two key forward positions. 

Definately worth a shot.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

No, I don't.

Your problem is you dont like newish people here having opinions.

[leave it to deever 15,317]

On 2nd thought moving May up forward would make Lever more exposed.

Tmac would have to swap.

Edited June 14, 2020 by leave it to deever

[Wiseblood 24,636]

1 minute ago, Half forward flank said:

Your problem is you dont like newish people here having opinions.

And your problem is you don't like people disagreeing with yours.

What are you basing this idea of GC overtaking us on?  The fact they rolled a sub par Eagles side on their home deck in slippery conditions?  They have a long, long, long way to go before they overtake anyone to be honest.  They might have some young talent, but they've had that before and done little with it.  Let's wait and see how this season, strange as it is, pans out before we start making the big statements.

[leave it to deever 15,317]

7 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

Your problem is you dont like newish people here having opinions.

And hes a Dees supporter.

[640MD 2,794]

7 hours ago, chook fowler said:

Classic Melbourne, making a win feel like a loss. Main concern is Goodwin was our coaches by a rookie. Teague adjusted his structure to fix our midfield dominance and Goodwin didn’t know how to respond.

My take is he never seems to respond, with moves on the field, instructions or looking at him in the coaches box, and then there are cliches after every game......  but a win is a win is a win, better than losing  enjoy a beer!

[Flemo56 383]

We take the w any time thank you. The 1st qtr was great to watch, our pressure on them with the ball was the reason we took control ourselves and created more opportunities, together with Gawn and our centre dominance of course. Five goals too zippo, two more in the 2nd and then the blues started pressuring us and we just did our predictable thing, nothing! It appears we’ve learnt very little as a team, and that word “team” makes me very skeptical of our prospects going forward. Unfortunately I just don’t see the working hard and awareness for one another that is clearly in the good “teams”. We are still who we are and have been for too long, not very good. Go Dee’s.

[640MD 2,794]

1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

Is it time to trial May at FF and move T-Mac down back once again?  Either that or play T-Mac only from the square as we did in 2018.  Looks completely lost higher up the ground lately.

 

I think I would perhaps look at swapping Tmac and Smith  rather than May.  I am Not a coach though

[Demon trucker 1,743]

3 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Yep, here's the problem with posters like you. You excuse poor performances. You'd be the kind that hangs around the players race after a 10 goal loss to pat them on the back.

The whole culture of the club is one that accepts mediocrity. Here we are playing a terrible team indoors and we burst out of the blocks and then completely capitulate. No on field leaders, a coaching panel that hasn't a clue and a supporter base that says 'oh well, its bette r than losing'.

Until we lose that pathetic acceptance of sub-par performances and demand 4 qtr consistent efforts we will be a terrible football club.

But you'll be on your rocking chair mumbling to yourself 'it'll be our year next year'.

Good luck with that.

 

 

Sorry f head, never been positive after 10 goals loss not even a 1 point loss, never pat anyone in the back for trying hard, there is no try there is only win or lose. Find any post where I am happy  with a loss always happy with any win. Poster like you make me sick, you are the terrible supporters Roos was talking about, the Vail of negativity that's no help to no one. If I see another negative post from you after a good win I will spew up,. Not that last night is a good win, but that never matters to you, you  are negativity whether it's 10 goal win or a 1 point win.

[old55 21,271]

3 hours ago, Grr-owl said:

But where's the passion, the fire, the inspirational spark? There is none. Instead we get 'learnings.' I feel I'm stuck at new-age retreat.

Have you been inside the rooms?

[640MD 2,794]

Some should watch the match now.

both sides poor!

but both coaches showing emotion frustration and interest 

I doubt we will get any cliches from either Ratten or Beveridge