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Must say the mathematical probabilities relating to reported cases overseas by comparison to the number of reported cases in Wuhan itself makes me think that China are massively under reporting. Wuhan and surrounding areas have a population of 13 million. There are now around 50 cases reported outside China with only 1250 approximately within China.

At its simplest that suggests that a half million citizens of Wuhan have travelled overseas during the incubation period

Something not quite right perhaps.

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On 1/25/2020 at 8:06 PM, Diamond_Jim said:

Must say the mathematical probabilities relating to reported cases overseas by comparison to the number of reported cases in Wuhan itself makes me think that China are massively under reporting. Wuhan and surrounding areas have a population of 13 million. There are now around 50 cases reported outside China with only 1250 approximately within China.

At its simplest that suggests that a half million citizens of Wuhan have travelled overseas during the incubation period

Something not quite right perhaps.

absolutely correct.....13 million people supposedly "quarantined" by the Chinese government.....how are they fed?  Plenty of pictures of closed railway stations with PLA soldiers in the front.  No pictures of the trucks, farmers etc going in and out that are needed to feed all these people. 

Build a hospital in 2 weeks.....as if the PLA didn't have mobile army hospitals to house multitudes quickly!  More propaganda to make it look like they are actually doing something.  Thousands of people "quarantined" in one facility...that only guarantees the virus will spread as the Diamond Princess scenario has shown in Japan. 

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On 1/25/2020 at 8:06 PM, Diamond_Jim said:

Must say the mathematical probabilities relating to reported cases overseas by comparison to the number of reported cases in Wuhan itself makes me think that China are massively under reporting. Wuhan and surrounding areas have a population of 13 million. There are now around 50 cases reported outside China with only 1250 approximately within China.

At its simplest that suggests that a half million citizens of Wuhan have travelled overseas during the incubation period

Something not quite right perhaps.

 

Its called communism.

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78000 out of about 80000 world wide  in China.

I think the Chinese government have done an excellent job of containment

Well PLA.

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On 2/20/2020 at 6:34 AM, JakovichScissorKick said:

 

Its called communism.

What does communism have to do with corona virus reporting? Just interested in the nexus.

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22 hours ago, ProperDee said:

What does communism have to do with corona virus reporting? Just interested in the nexus.

What about the lack of initial information from the (communist leadership) when they were first aware of the virus?

How many people left there before the crackdown on travel kicked in?

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Is a lack of information from a government restricted to Communist regimes?

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China is increasing looking like a country who deliberately delayed/understated its reporting to impact the Western economies.

I have very little doubt the CCP are delighting in the Wests current troubles.

They must be made to pay a heavy price if their lying and delays can be proven.

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It's a tough one. I wouldn't trust China as far as I could throw them, but I find it far more likely that their initial response of 'nothing to see here' was to save face, rather than deliberately impact western economies. Although, as you say, the CCP are probably privately delighted at the current state of play in the west.

I'd be highly skeptical of any foreign inquest into China's initial response. There's too much political influence - China, of course, will deny everything, and the US will go to any lengths necessary to divert attention from their own comical incompetence back onto China. 

Interesting times.

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On 2/27/2020 at 8:54 AM, Kent said:

78000 out of about 80000 world wide  in China.

I think the Chinese government have done an excellent job of containment

Well PLA.

Want to amend your post?

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On 3/4/2020 at 7:20 AM, ProperDee said:

Is a lack of information from a government restricted to Communist regimes?

Want to amend your post, anything you want to add' or are you an Andrews man who can see no wrong in the brutal regime of the CCP?

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I see plenty wrong with the brutal regime in China (also see plenty wrong with the brutal regime in Washington) - but I'm an Andrews man. And a Berejiklian man. All the Premiers (and Scomo, albeit a bit reluctantly) did a great job in protecting us from the virus. Saved thousands of lives.  

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On 5/29/2020 at 8:47 AM, Dante said:

Want to amend your post, anything you want to add' or are you an Andrews man who can see no wrong in the brutal regime of the CCP?

Didn't say anything in defence of the CCP.  Only made an observation that a lack of information from a government is not restricted to Communist regimes.

 As for being an Andrews man, I confess that I am a fan.  Living here in Brisbane I think that Harris is perhaps the best fullback in the comp right now.  Ni xuyao fangsong wo de pengyou. 😘

 
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57 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

Didn't say anything in defence of the CCP.  Only made an observation that a lack of information from a government is not restricted to Communist regimes.

 As for being an Andrews man, I confess that I am a fan.  Living here in Brisbane I think that Harris is perhaps the best fullback in the comp right now.  Ni xuyao fangsong wo de pengyou. 😘


 

Even though he openly supports the brutal regime of the CCP?  That tells me a lot about you.

Signs documents committing the State to unknown agreements with the CCP and won't release the details of what it entails, perhaps that's the type of government you prefer.

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You goose. I was referring to Harris Andrews!  Oh dear! 😂😂😂

You clearly see only what you want to. Lighten up brother.

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4 hours ago, Dante said:

Even though he openly supports the brutal regime of the CCP?  That tells me a lot about you.

Signs documents committing the State to unknown agreements with the CCP and won't release the details of what it entails, perhaps that's the type of government you prefer.

So does Twiggy Forrest. Everybody trades everywhere. Where do you draw the line? Should we trade with Indonesia (disgusting behaviour in West Papua, East Timor). Russia (disgusting behaviour in Syria, Crimea etc) The US (the most appalling example of international aggression since Vietnam, the invasion of Iraq, not to mention a racist administration)?

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On 6/3/2020 at 7:52 AM, ProperDee said:

 

 As for being an Andrews man, I confess that I am a fan.  Living here in Brisbane I

Of course you're a fan, you don't live in Melbourne.  Daniel Andrews has turned the worlds most livable city into a dystopian wasteland with the full backing off his Chinese masters. Mandatory masks now,  mandatory vaccines next.   Just watch.

To the people who voted for him, well you get what you vote for.   They were given plenty of warning.

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Huh?  Read my post properly AND the one after it.  Jeezus, some people are trigger happy. 

 

If you want my comment on Victoria's Premier, the very least could do is show some humility, put his hand up to the up to the quarantine failures, apologise, and refrain from blaming the victims.  He is the head of a general government of incompetence and the buck stops with him. His government's poor handling of the current crisis and failure to accept responsibility, shows that his position is no longer tenable.  I can understand him not throwing the towel in right now but when things start to flatten out again, he has no option other than to leave.

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16 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Of course you're a fan, you don't live in Melbourne.  Daniel Andrews has turned the worlds most livable city into a dystopian wasteland with the full backing off his Chinese masters. Mandatory masks now,  mandatory vaccines next.   Just watch.

To the people who voted for him, well you get what you vote for.   They were given plenty of warning.

Mandatory masks is a good thing in my opinion.  The mask is to protect others, not the wearer, and as we can be contagious before showing symptoms, it is an effective way of stopping the spread if everyone is wearing a mask.  As for vaccinations, I doubt very much that they will be mandatory, but they will be highly recommended, as they should be... or are you an anti-vaxer? 

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