Geelong Eyeing Our Picks

[John Demonic 4,781]

1 hour ago, John Demonic said:

... Maybe that's a sign that we should be drafting Kemp instead.

Not to suggest we should copy a recently successful teams drafting strategy. Only to say that if they liken him to being a Selwood replacement, gee we could use even a first year-Selwood rotating through the midfield at some point later in the year. And the years beyond? Hell yeah. Are small forwards that hard to find via trading/rookie'ing? Papley, Martin, Gray, Betts all up for grabs this year. Why wouldn't it be the same as the years go on?

Edited November 15, 2019 by John Demonic

[ArtificialWisdom 3,844]

1 hour ago, TheoX said:

"Melbourne is expected to call out West Australian ruckman Luke Jackson’s name with Pick 3"

[censored] hope not.

The under 18s finished playing weeks ago, how has he gone from a late first rounder to risky top 10 to a sure thing top 10 and now to an expeted top 3 pick without doing anything??

[DeeSpencer 23,058]

8 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Not to suggest we should copy a recently successful teams drafting strategy. Only to say that if they liken him to being a Selwood replacement, gee we could use even a first year-Selwood rotating through the midfield at some point later in the year. And the years beyond? Hell yeah. Are small forwards that hard to find via trading/rookie'ing? Papley, Martin, Gray, Betts all up for grabs this year. Why wouldn't it be the same as the years go on?

Papley was on offer for pick 9 and 900k and the deal didn't get done, a player of his quality won't be on offer too often. There's probably only 5-10 guys like that in the league. 
Martin is on offer for 625k and a first round pick and probably isn't a small forward anyway, he's a flanker/mid
Gray isn't much good, I like him but he's not solving our issues just adding depth
Betts is ancient.

A 30-40+ goal kicker with elite pressure is very hard to find.

Not that I'm racing out to draft a small with a really high pick but I think teams are drafting them earlier and earlier and know what to look for now. Waiting for a late trade or late pick might see you waiting a long time.

[Redleg 37,473]

1 hour ago, John Demonic said:

... Maybe that's a sign that we should be drafting Kemp instead.

Correct, get 2 great players instead of 1 and 2 maybes.

[deebug 1,754]

We should be the ones drafting Kemp not any other team?

DON'T YOU DO IT JASON TAYLOR!!!!!

If we miss out on this kid, i will be so (bipped) off

[samcantstandya 913]

1 hour ago, deebug said:

We should be the ones drafting Kemp not any other team?

DON'T YOU DO IT JASON TAYLOR!!!!!

If we miss out on this kid, i will be so (bipped) off

Me too

[Demon Dynasty 15,201]

Is the the talk of us picking Jackson with pick 3 a ruse by someone hoping we will waste it so they move higher up the order and get someone they want or get an extra pick in the top 10 in the case of Freo?

The Blues wanting to make more certain they might grab Kemp?

Freo wanting us to use 3 on Jackson hoping we don't bid on Henry and they get another pick in the top 10.

The crows wanting to grab Young stepping up a rung with pick 4?

Surely Taylor (Goody) aren't looking to grab another ruckman with such a valuable pick given we don't need a third?

Nobody in their right mind would be that foolish.

Edited November 15, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[Pulp Fritschon 641]

14 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Is the the talk of us picking Jackson with pick 3 a ruse by someone hoping we will waste it so they move higher up the order and get someone they want or get an extra pick in the top 10 in the case of Freo?

The Blues wanting to make more certain they might grab Kemp?

Freo wanting us to use 3 on Jackson hoping we don't bid on Henry and they get another pick in the top 10.

The crows wanting to grab Young stepping up a rung with pick 4?

Surely Taylor (Goody) aren't looking to grab another ruckman with such a valuable pick given we don't need a third?

Nobody in their right mind would be that foolish.

I don’t like it but invariably where there is smoke there is fire. Oliver came from the clouds but the media were all over that. Same here.  

Maybe in this the time of live trading it is all smoke.  Who knows. Doesn’t make sense to me. Seems like a massive gamble. We will soon know 

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

7 hours ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

Called it a few weeks ago. They will try to get one of our  picks to draft Brodie Kemp.  God I hate Geelong.

For once, it’s absolutely in our hands.

To stuff up, that is.

 

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

I really hope we're not thinking of taking a first round pick for next year. That draft is shot.

[Pennant St Dee 11,241]

7 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Well I must be the only one that actually don't mind trading pick 8 for 14 and 17?

The beauty of this draft is that whoever is picked at 14 or 17 will be just as talented as 8. At 14 the likes of Robertson, Serong or even Kemp could all slide.

The top 25 is quite a talented crop. 

No Im with you DD

3 & 8 Jackson/Young & Robertson/Kemp looks good

3, 14 & 17 Jackson/Young, Robertson/Weightman/Bergman & Sharp also looks good

[Cheap Seats 3,300]

7 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

I really hope we're not thinking of taking a first round pick for next year. That draft is shot.

Especially after we traded out of the first round of that draft.

Will be interesting.

Watch us [censored] it up

[old55 21,215]

12 hours ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

The under 18s finished playing weeks ago, how has he gone from a late first rounder to risky top 10 to a sure thing top 10 and now to an expeted top 3 pick without doing anything??

Only in media and fans eyes. Pro recruiters will have had a view all along but it's not in the public domain. 

"Sliders" is a nuff nuff concept, if 10 clubs in a row don't select a player then that's where they're rated, but it only takes one club to really like a particular player for him to go earlier than expected so a "bolter" is possible.

Edited November 15, 2019 by Fifty-5

[Demon Head 250]

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

Only in media and fans eyes. Pro recruiters will have had a view all along but it's not in the public domain. 

"Sliders" is a nuff nuff concept, if 10 clubs in a row don't select a player then that's where they're rated, but it only takes one club to really like a particular player for him to go earlier than expected so a "bolter" is possible.

But it can be a bit concrete than that in cases where information somehow leaks out - either via club recruiters mentioning that they have an interest in a particular player or via a player or his parents telling others that they had been interviewed and been given an indication they might be drafted. 

[jnrmac 18,914]

21 hours ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

Called it a few weeks ago. They will try to get one of our  picks to draft Brodie Kemp.  God I hate Geelong.

They can 'try' all they like. We are in the box seat and will do the deal that suits us.

Remember we gave away a lot to get pick 8. Why would we do that if we didn't have a clear idea of what we wanted? And why would we give it away for nothing?

 

[Ethan Tremblay 28,288]

2 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

They can 'try' all they like. We are in the box seat and will do the deal that suits us.

Remember we gave away a lot to get pick 8. Why would we do that if we didn't have a clear idea of what we wanted? And why would we give it away for nothing?

 

This is where I’m at Jr. I’ve said it before, we didn’t do the trade we did with North to secure pick 8 then on-trade it to another team for two later picks. We went for pick 8 because we want a certain player. 

[jnrmac 18,914]

17 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Papley was on offer for pick 9 and 900k and the deal didn't get done, a player of his quality won't be on offer too often. There's probably only 5-10 guys like that in the league. 
Martin is on offer for 625k and a first round pick and probably isn't a small forward anyway, he's a flanker/mid
Gray isn't much good, I like him but he's not solving our issues just adding depth
Betts is ancient.

A 30-40+ goal kicker with elite pressure is very hard to find.

Not that I'm racing out to draft a small with a really high pick but I think teams are drafting them earlier and earlier and know what to look for now. Waiting for a late trade or late pick might see you waiting a long time.

Papley is one of these guys that becomes a superstar because he's out of contract.

He's an OK player but not one you'd sell the farm for. Or pay $900k and pick 9. That's insanity.

[Deebacle 75]

3 hours ago, Demon Head said:

But it can be a bit concrete than that in cases where information somehow leaks out - either via club recruiters mentioning that they have an interest in a particular player or via a player or his parents telling others that they had been interviewed and been given an indication they might be drafted. 

Like the report last week that linked us with Tom Green through his coach suggesting we had increased contact in the last few weeks.

[old55 21,215]

3 hours ago, Demon Head said:

But it can be a bit concrete than that in cases where information somehow leaks out - either via club recruiters mentioning that they have an interest in a particular player or via a player or his parents telling others that they had been interviewed and been given an indication they might be drafted. 

Yes that's another way players can move up media and fan ranking without actually playing.  What recruiters think gets into the public domain. Re-read AW's post, he said "how can he move up without playing?"

[Mach5 4,482]

6 hours ago, jnrmac said:

They can 'try' all they like. We are in the box seat and will do the deal that suits us.

Remember we gave away a lot to get pick 8. Why would we do that if we didn't have a clear idea of what we wanted? And why would we give it away for nothing?

 

Because pick 8 gives us the upper hand in any negotiations.

We can happily keep it. However we can also wait to see how the draft plays out up to pick 8, then if it’s likely some players we like will be there at the later picks we’ll trade for, we then have that option (but have a level of certainty either way & can force a good deal for ourselves).

Conversely, if we were to hold with pick 26, 50 & next years 1st rounder in hand, and then try to trade them for a pick in the teens when a kid we really want is going to be available, that could become a very costly exercise for us - just as we’re hoping it will be for someone else.

[rpfc 27,391]

The only understandable trade would be in real time if we can’t get the kid we want - otherwise, why do the trade with NM in the first place? We would be giving up next years 1st round pick for to late first rounders in two trades entirely made up of picks?

No following that logic path.

[spirit of norm smith 12,834]

On 11/15/2019 at 8:36 PM, deebug said:

We should be the ones drafting Kemp not any other team?

DON'T YOU DO IT JASON TAYLOR!!!!!

If we miss out on this kid, i will be so (bipped) off

Naturally.  Cats know Kemp can be an absolute star. They are rabid to get him. Tell them to fu&))& off. 

[No10 323]

11 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

This is where I’m at Jr. I’ve said it before, we didn’t do the trade we did with North to secure pick 8 then on-trade it to another team for two later picks. We went for pick 8 because we want a certain player. 

Let’s say Kemp at 8 could be an option. But what happens if we bid on Green at 3?

GWS have 6. What are the rules for them to do this trade to Geelong: p6 for 14&17. I understand they get Green with 14 and later picks, then still have 17.

They’re not going to do nothing and waste 6 if they can do the split. Or am I misunderstanding the system?

[Ethan Tremblay 28,288]

1 hour ago, No10 said:

Let’s say Kemp at 8 could be an option. But what happens if we bid on Green at 3?

GWS have 6. What are the rules for them to do this trade to Geelong: p6 for 14&17. I understand they get Green with 14 and later picks, then still have 17.

They’re not going to do nothing and waste 6 if they can do the split. Or am I misunderstanding the system?

That’s essentially the old Academy/Father-Son bidding system. Now the AFL use a Draft Value Index which assigns a relative points value for each pick. Because Green is one of GWS’s Academy Players, they will get a discount so their pick 6 will beat our pick 3 and they’ll pick him up. If they trade 6 for 14 and 17, pick 14 alone wouldn’t be enough to trump our bid. I’m not sure on the value of each pick pick but 14 and 17 combined may not be enough to beat our bid.

Edited November 16, 2019 by Ethan Tremblay

[deebug 1,754]

 

8 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Naturally.  Cats know Kemp can be an absolute star. They are rabid to get him. Tell them to fu&))& off. 

If we let this kid slip through to another club, then we will come to regret it for years to come.

Why the hell should we help nay other club?