Jump to content

Discussion on recent allegations about the use of illicit drugs in football is forbidden
  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Posting unsubstantiated rumours on this website is strictly forbidden.

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the issue of illicit drugs in footy, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - LUKE JACKSON


Lord Nev

Recommended Posts

14 minutes ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

Just watched his highlights again, and still cant get excited about this possible pick.

All his kicks were floaters too.

And then there's Young's kicking ability................................................ It's called football for a reason.......right?

Or am i mistaken?

Mahoney said during the members forum

“Yes, we’re going to bring in players over time, but it’s not going to be massive changes. This list has been built over five to six years of going to the draft and adding players through the trade period and that is going to help us deliver to our ambitions. We think we’ve got enough talent to deliver what we want to as a footy club and that’s sustained success.”

Young makes us a better team immediately and would be an asset with his kicking, whilst Jackson won't improve our team for a few years yet.

Edited by Demon Disciple
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Very raw ruckman from WA.  No footy smarts.  Basketball background.  He’s no Natanui.  
 

Athletic. Absolutely.  Where he can make a difference.  But all AFL players are athletes.  
 

Do we need a young raw Ruckman?  Probably not. We have Gawn, Preuss and development into Bradtke.  
 

Not sure if he #3 quality.   A speculative punt at pick 3!!! 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Demon Disciple said:

And then there's Young's kicking ability................................................ It's called football for a reason.......right?

Or am i mistaken?

Did that stop Jim Stynes from winning a brownlow? 

There is more to the skill of football then kicking you know..

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Would love to be a fly on the wall, I reckon the conversation went down like thus

Taylor: We really need players with outside run and can kick well

Goodwin & Mahoney: Get me an inside contested beast, we need more

Taylor: There are none around the top of the draft

Goodwin & Mahoney: Then improvise

Taylor: *Proceeds to draft a ruckman who plays like an even bigger inside contested beast with even poorer skills*

Edited by olisik
  • Like 2
  • Haha 5
  • Sad 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

If I'm picking based on highlights, I'm taking Young but people bagging Taylor as 'stupid' or Jackson as 'worse than Lucas Cook' based on half the information the recruiters have at their disposal reeks of arrogance.

  • Like 3
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not keen on this pick for a few reasons...

1. I think we have greater needs than recruiting another project ruckmen with a top 5 pick

2. We just got rid of Jesse and this go home [censored], brace yourself for years to come of this if the kid shows promise...

 

However saying the guy isn't a talent is just plain stupid. You can see in the package he has the ability to tap, follow up, rove and also has a burst of speed to get past opposing mids. It also looks like he can use both sides of the body. No other players of that size have that ability bar Grundy. 

I am a bit concerned there was no highlights of him clunking a mark or two in the forward 50 and slotting some set shots though...

 

Time will tell and we will see what will happen, I would have been happy with Young at 3 and Jackson at 8 however we might get lucky to get Young at 8.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The decision Taylor has to make is not on who is the best footballer now. Or even in the next 2-3 years. But who is the best over 10 years. 

One assumes most experts think jackson is untapped and given he has played relativey little footy and is still growing has a tonne of upside. 

Young gives us what we need but it is hard nor to be excited by a player who could become an out and out star. Or not. Same vibe as for buddy in his draft year.

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Very raw ruckman from WA.  No footy smarts.  Basketball background.  He’s no Natanui.  
 

Athletic. Absolutely.  Where he can make a difference.  But all AFL players are athletes.  
 

Do we need a young raw Ruckman?  Probably not. We have Gawn, Preuss and development into Bradtke.  
 

Not sure if he #3 quality.   A speculative punt at pick 3!!! 

He's better than Natanui below his knees, more of a footy brain and better by hand and foot.

He doesn't have Natanuis leap or explosiveness but I see a player with more mobility who covers more ground and can actually take contested marks on regular occasions.

Contested marking will be what is attracting us I think 

  • Like 13
  • Thanks 2
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

48 minutes ago, binman said:

The decision Taylor has to make is not on who is the best footballer now. Or even in the next 2-3 years. But who is the best over 10 years. 

One assumes most experts think jackson is untapped and given he has played relativey little footy and is still growing has a tonne of upside. 

Young gives us what we need but it is hard nor to be excited by a player who could become an out and out star. Or not. Same vibe as for buddy in his draft year.

I think the bolded is what worries most on here. It's appears from us armchair experts to be a big risk. Our track record of developing draftees has been mostly miss over the past decade.

I'm still in the Young camp because he appears reliable, driven and will probably make an immediate impact.

Jackson on the other hand is an unknown quantity, he's still developing and has massive potential but can he develop into a KPF? will his height hamper him becoming a 1st ruck? Will he want to return to WA down the track? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, MikeAlphaTango said:

I think the bolded is what worries most on here. It's appears from us armchair experts to be a big risk. Our track record of developing draftees has been mostly miss over the past decade.

I'm still in the Young camp because he appears reliable, driven and will probably make an immediate impact.

Jackson on the other hand is an unknown quantity, he's still developing and has massive potential but can he develop into a KPF? will his height hamper him becoming a 1st ruck? Will he want to return to WA down the track? 

All very valid questions. The club has a big call.

Two other factors are relevant I reckon.

The most important of those is that really, really good bigs are very hard to find. The draft is stacked with good flankers (could be rhyming slang?) and mids. So perhaps we get ash instead of young. But we won't get another jackson.

The second factor is more speculation on my part. I wonder, given his athletisim, whether jackson might actually be played as a mid (ie with gawn still rucking). Say rotating wirh petracca. Would be formidable I would have thought.

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites


5 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Is there any possibility that he is being considered as a KPF and not as a ruck? A 10 year mobile CHF?

Don't take this as a slight on Weid, I think he'll be a player for us, but it was passed on to me that a few former Dees think Jackson would be a very good chance of starting ahead of Weid round 1 next year. They're not recruiters obviously, but have played the game at the highest level so I'd give it some kind of weight.

 

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Is there any possibility that he is being considered as a KPF and not as a ruck? A 10 year mobile CHF?

Taylor has said a few times that he's seen him play forward and was excited by that, this is something that's been completely ignored by most on here who see him as mostly a ruckman. I know some clubs think it's possible that he'll potentially develop into a super tall mid as well.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 hours ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

If I'm picking based on highlights, I'm taking Young but people bagging Taylor as 'stupid' or Jackson as 'worse than Lucas Cook' based on half the information the recruiters have at their disposal reeks of arrogance.

I think it would be more like one fiftieth of the information the recruiters have.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Taylor has said a few times that he's seen him play forward and was excited by that, this is something that's been completely ignored by most on here who see him as mostly a ruckman. I know some clubs think it's possible that he'll potentially develop into a super tall mid as well.

I don’t people are ignoring the possibility, a few posters have asked the question of is there any footage of him playing forward and having shots on goal. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I don’t people are ignoring the possibility, a few posters have asked the question of is there any footage of him playing forward and having shots on goal. 

Unfortunately Bombay, there are a heap who've gone early on the criticism of Taylor/Goodwin for looking at a 'ruckman' who's going to be worse than Lucas Cook and can only kick floaters. I'd love to see some vision as well, I was just pointing out the Taylor has expressly said he's gone to see him play forward on a few occasions and doesn't see him as just a ruck,

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Don't take this as a slight on Weid, I think he'll be a player for us, but it was passed on to me that a few former Dees think Jackson would be a very good chance of starting ahead of Weid round 1 next year. They're not recruiters obviously, but have played the game at the highest level so I'd give it some kind of weight.

 

Nah the criticism of Weid is warranted, he was terrible last year and I was a big fan however he would want to show some form and consistency this year, age is on his side though. It would be nice to see a bit more footage of Jackson up forward.

5 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Taylor has said a few times that he's seen him play forward and was excited by that, this is something that's been completely ignored by most on here who see him as mostly a ruckman. I know some clubs think it's possible that he'll potentially develop into a super tall mid as well.

Thanks and yes everyone seems to be just talking about his ruckwork and comparisons to nic nat. I don't want to pick up a "ruck" at pick 3. Gawn dominates in the ruck and around the ground and we still get smashed in the middle. The only issue I have re KPF is I haven't seen much footage of him clunking marks and nailing goals? Surely if there was a bit of that footage around it would be pumped out by now? I guess it's this kind of unknown that doesn't sit well with me.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    GAMEDAY: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons begin their 2 week adventure in South Australia tonight when they face the Power from Port at the Adelaide Oval. Both teams will be keen to stamp their early credentials for September in this Top 4 clash on the big stage.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 1

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all.    On that rainy Friday night at the Adelaide Oval, Ken Hinkley’s young midfield secured much more than four points on offer. The victory over one of the big dogs of the competition after a succession of wins over some of its lesser lights gave his team respect and validation fo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Monday 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training. DEMON DYNASTY'S TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Kade Chandler's left knee heavily strapped. BBB, Spargs & Jake Lever also in rehab group. Jake Bowey solo running separate kicking/sprint/agility drills. Super fine morning / early arvo at Gosch's for the boys to blow out some cobwebs. Choco initially had the light duties / rehab group

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter. By the time they worked out it was game on, their opponents from Box Hill had accumulated five goals and, if the game wasn’t over, it might as well have been. For a se

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head. The Demons have now won nine of their last ten encounters with the other result, a draw.     And like a fork, it was the multi-pronged options that Melbourne had all across the ground.  It certainly helped that Hawthorn

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 8

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in the Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out?

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 279

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 25th March @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons victory at the MCG against the Hawks in the Round 02. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & Chat

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 46

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 50

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 363
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast Stream 


    Open Stream in
    New Window
        TuneIn    Opens in New Tab
  • Support Demonland  



  • 2021 Premiership  

  • Social Media 

  • Non MFC Games  

    NON-MFC: Round 03

    Discussion of all the other games that don't involve the Demons in Round 03 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | Round 03

  • Match Preview      

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 27

  • Latest Podcast      

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The boys dissected the clinical thrashing of Hawks praising the immense performance of Christian Petracca whilst lamenting the injury toll to our defensive unit ... LISTEN

    Demonland | March 26

  • Training  

    Monday, 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • Casey Report      

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • PreGame      

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head out on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out? ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 28

  • Match Report      

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Post Game      

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Votes      

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Game Day      

    GAMEDAY: Round 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Training  

    Friday, 22nd March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin and I attended the Captain's Run at Gosch's Paddock on this lovely sunny morning to bring you the following observations from the training session ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 22

  • Training  

    Tuesday, 19th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin & Walking Civil War attended Tuesday morning's training session at Gosch's Paddock to bring you the following observations ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 19

  • Training  

    Saturday, 16th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Dee Zephyr wandered down to Gosch's Paddock on Saturday morning to bring you their observations from the Captain's Run in the lead up to Sunday's Round One match against the Bulldogs ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 16

  • Farewell  

    Angus Brayshaw Retires

    After 167 games including the drought breaking Premiership Angus Brayshaw has made the heart breaking decision to medically retire from football as a result of a series of serious head knocks over his nearly decade of footy. We wish Gus all the best and he'll always be a hero at Demonland ... READ MORE

    Demonland | February 22

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Koltyn Tholstrup Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club’s newest recruit Koltyn Tholstrup to have a chat about his journey from the farm to the Demons, his first few weeks of preseason training, which Dees have impressed him on the track and his aspirations of playing Round 1 ... LISTEN

    Demonland | December 14

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Jason Taylor Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club's National Recruitment Manager Jason Taylor to have a chat about our Trade and Draft period, our newest recruits, our recent recruits who have yet to debut as well as those father son prospects on the horizon ... LISTEN

    Demonland | November 27

  • Next Match 

    .

    Round 03

       vs   

    Saturday 30th March 2024
    @ 07:30pm (AO)

  • MFC Forum  

  • Match Previews & Reports  

  • Training Forum  

  • AFLW Forum  

  • 2024 Player Sponsorship

  • Topics

  • Injury List  


      PLAYER INJURY LENGTH
    Jake Lever Knee Test
    Clayton Oliver Hand Test
    Oliver Sestan Concussion Test
    Steven May Ribs 1 Week
    Lachie Hunter Calf 1 Week
    Daniel Turner Hip 2-3 Weeks
    Charlie Spargo Achilles 2-4 Weeks
    Shane McAdam Hamstring 3-5 Weeks
    Jake Bowey Shoulder 7 Weeks
    Jake Melksham ACL 12-14 Weeks
    Joel Smith Suspension TBA

  • Player of the Year  


        PLAYER VOTES
    1 Christian Petracca 27
    2 Steven May 25
    3 Max Gawn 21
    4 Jack Viney 20
    5 Bayley Fritsch 19
    6 Clayton Oliver 18
    7 Christian Salem 12
    8 Blake Howes 11
    9 Jack Billings 10
    9 Alex Neal-Bullen 10

        FULL TABLE
  • Demonland Interviews 



  • Upcoming Events 

×
×
  • Create New...