Phantom Drafts

[Demon Disciple 10,919]

2 hours ago, A F said:

Kemp may well be gone by 8, whereas Gould should be there by 8, so this should dictate our drafting strategy. I hope this is the thinking anyway. ?

 

Gould would spend his first year at the club on weight watchers.

192cm and 106kg ???

[Binmans PA 25,970]

32 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

I do like Kemp AF as you know, but very keen to get in one of Young and Stephens 

Fair enough mate. Pity we don't have 3 top 10 picks and we could nab all of them.

[Binmans PA 25,970]

17 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Gould would spend his first year at the club on weight watchers.

192cm and 106kg ???

Still pretty quick though. He'd shed those kgs in a pro environment and add more pace to his game. Goody likes South Aussies too, so Gould and Stephens could be in the frame. I wonder if the review took away some of his list management oversight.

[Ethan Tremblay 28,346]

2 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Gould would spend his first year at the club on weight watchers.

192cm and 106kg ???

He was listed as 98kg during the combine.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Welcome to the Melbourne football club. Petracca and May are fat as well.

[dazzledavey36 48,704]

8 hours ago, A F said:

Kemp may well be gone by 8, whereas Gould should be there by 8, so this should dictate our drafting strategy. I hope this is the thinking anyway. ?

Alternatively, @Fifty-5 proposed trading 8 for 10 and an early second rounder. We could still probably get Gould with 10 and maybe a Weightman at the start of the second round.

Kemp, Gould and Weightman all address needs. I like it.

Bulldogs are red hot on Weightman at pick 13 if he is still there.

[Lord Travis 10,158]

7 hours ago, A F said:

Still pretty quick though. He'd shed those kgs in a pro environment and add more pace to his game. Goody likes South Aussies too, so Gould and Stephens could be in the frame. I wonder if the review took away some of his list management oversight.

Gould is only quick in a straight line. His agility is average. At 106kgs, he’s able to run through tackles from kids 30kg lighter than him. At afl level, he’ll no longer have a size advantage and will get brought down instead. He’d need to lose 10-15kgs so he’s able to cover the required ground too. He’s not a bad footballer, but he doesn’t possess enough elite attributes to be pick 3 or 8. Draft best available, and he’s not it.

Still hoping for Young at 3 and Stephens or Kemp at 8.

[Constant Mongrel 571]

1 hour ago, Lord Travis said:

Gould is only quick in a straight line. His agility is average. At 106kgs, he’s able to run through tackles from kids 30kg lighter than him. At afl level, he’ll no longer have a size advantage and will get brought down instead. He’d need to lose 10-15kgs so he’s able to cover the required ground too. He’s not a bad footballer, but he doesn’t possess enough elite attributes to be pick 3 or 8. Draft best available, and he’s not it.

Still hoping for Young at 3 and Stephens or Kemp at 8.

a bit like that man-child, kieran collins, that the dogs drafted in 2014/5? i think they delisted him this year.. he looked like an adult against kids in his highlights packages.. but just couldn't cut it in the afl. 

 

[Demon Disciple 10,919]

7 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

He was listed as 98kg during the combine.

Must've been in a good paddock the past 2 weeks.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-10-24/class-of-2019-will-gould

[Ethan Tremblay 28,346]

4 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Must've been in a good paddock the past 2 weeks.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-10-24/class-of-2019-will-gould

I reckon Twomey has stuffed up, he doesn’t look 106kg. Here’s his stats from the combine:

https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/player/will-gould/

[Lord Travis 10,158]

Gould's a big boy. Probably the fattest since Mumford, but only 191cms!

That article above has a quote that he gets blasted by coaches for always trying to take the hardest kick and not the easy/team option. Shows he's a bit of a Sam Frost and doesn't necessarily follow team gameplan. If that's the case, clubs wouldn't rate him as very coachable or good for team environment, and it's probably why there's questions where he even gets drafted in the top 30. Personally I think he's worth a pick in the mid-late teens, but he's not who we should be drafting with either top 10 pick, and he's not what we need either.

Young plays a similar position, but is more agile, quicker, better intercept marker, better kick, and more versatile. Take him at pick 3 and look for best talent available at 8. Gould ain't it.

[durango 1,976]

I agree with picking Green/Young at 3 but pick 8/9/10 will depend on who is left out of the following they are not in any selection order Kemp/Stephens/Serong/Ash/Flanders/Robertson/McAstey etc, but if Kemp is there they should take him.

[DemonLad5 1,637]

We should threaten to bid on Henry at 8 so Freo trade us 10 and 22 for 8

then pick Weightman at 10 (and Young at 3 or Ash at 6)

[jacey 333]

On 10/22/2019 at 12:27 PM, Dees247 said:

Would love to land Stephens, exactly what we need (all though we need a small forward in Weightman too)

How good does Dylan Stephens look. Absolutely pick him. Dylan Stephens and Kemp look to have high ceilings.

[spirit of norm smith 12,886]

5 hours ago, durango said:

I agree with picking Green/Young at 3 but pick 8/9/10 will depend on who is left out of the following they are not in any selection order Kemp/Stephens/Serong/Ash/Flanders/Robertson/McAstey etc, but if Kemp is there they should take him.

And ditto. 

[olisik 4,060]

5 hours ago, DemonLad5 said:

We should threaten to bid on Henry at 8 so Freo trade us 10 and 22 for 8

then pick Weightman at 10 (and Young at 3 or Ash at 6)

Bidding for Henry at 3 would be the go.

[olisik 4,060]

39 minutes ago, jacey said:

How good does Dylan Stephens look. Absolutely pick him. Dylan Stephens and Kemp look to have high ceilings.

Deadset gun Stephens. 

[Mach5 4,482]

11 hours ago, jacey said:

How good does Dylan Stephens look. Absolutely pick him. Dylan Stephens and Kemp look to have high ceilings.

Reminds me a lot of Isaac Smith the way he moves.

[drysdale demon 4,146]

11 hours ago, jacey said:

How good does Dylan Stephens look. Absolutely pick him.

How often have you watched him play or are you just going off a highlights video?

[Brenno 230]

Young and Kemp seems the most likely outcome. We chased 8 for a reason.

Even if we split 3, Kemp seems to be our target at 8. 

Edited October 24, 2019 by Brenno

[Nascent 7,226]

I'm bored so this is my 100% uneducated stab at the top 10. I haven't factored in potential trades of picks at this stage.

1. Gold Coast - Matt Rowell
2. Gold Coast - Noah Anderson
3. Melbourne - Hayden Young
4. GWS (matching Adelaide's bid) - Tom Green
5. Adelaide - Sam Flanders
6. Sydney - Caleb Serong
7. Freemantle - Luke Jackson
8. Melbourne - Brodie Kemp
9. Carlton - Deven Robertson
10. Freemantle - Lachie Ash

 

Assuming we still have pick 3, I think Young is the one for us. It will be interesting to see who Adelaide go for and talk of Sydney being keen on Kemp is intriguing as well. If Kemp goes to Adelaide or Sydney then one of Serong or Flanders will be available at our pick with Freo having two high quality WA kids to pick from. I've gone Robertson for Carlton as I think they'll be looking for one more high quality inside production mid to compliment Cripps and Walsh but this could easily be flipped with Freo if they elect to take Robertson at 7. If Carlton are confident of getting Martin for free in one of the drafts I'm not convinced they'll place a bid on Henry. Still a way out from the draft but with live trading a few clubs having multiple picks in the top 10 it makes for an interesting draft.

I wouldn't be opposed to taking Stephens at 8 as well, not so sure about Weightman.

 

Edited October 27, 2019 by Nascent

[spirit of norm smith 12,886]

22 hours ago, Nascent said:

I'm bored so this is my 100% uneducated stab at the top 10. I haven't factored in potential trades of picks at this stage.

1. Gold Coast - Matt Rowell
2. Gold Coast - Noah Anderson
3. Melbourne - Hayden Young
4. GWS (matching Adelaide's bid) - Tom Green
5. Adelaide - Sam Flanders
6. Sydney - Caleb Serong
7. Freemantle - Luke Jackson
8. Melbourne - Brodie Kemp
9. Carlton - Deven Robertson
10. Freemantle - Lachie Ash

 

Assuming we still have pick 3, I think Young is the one for us. It will be interesting to see who Adelaide go for and talk of Sydney being keen on Kemp is intriguing as well. If Kemp goes to Adelaide or Sydney then one of Serong or Flanders will be available at our pick with Freo having two high quality WA kids to pick from. I've gone Robertson for Carlton as I think they'll be looking for one more high quality inside production mid to compliment Cripps and Walsh but this could easily be flipped with Freo if they elect to take Robertson at 7. If Carlton are confident of getting Martin for free in one of the drafts I'm not convinced they'll place a bid on Henry. Still a way out from the draft but with live trading a few clubs having multiple picks in the top 10 it makes for an interesting draft.

I wouldn't be opposed to taking Stephens at 8 as well, not so sure about Weightman.

 

Good work. I’m thinking Crows will grab Dylan Stephens at 5 and Sydney to grab Sam Flanders. Serong to Blues at 9 as a bargain. 
Hope it’s not a case of Ollie Wines with Young and Kemp. Demonlanders keen but we pick a Toumpas ahead of Wines and regret it for many years.  

[Binmans PA 25,970]

Is there any chance that GWS don't match a big for Green and we end up with Green and Kemp?

[adonski 9,125]

15 minutes ago, A F said:

Is there any chance that GWS don't match a big for Green and we end up with Green and Kemp?

Dees don’t even have to bid, Crows and Syd will

[Watts the matter 1,235]

14 minutes ago, A F said:

Is there any chance that GWS don't match a big for Green and we end up with Green and Kemp?

I think so, they are stocked with inside midfielders and if he wasn't part of their academy, I doubt they would even be considering him with their pick. If he is at a similar level to Jacob Hopper he would be a poor pick for them. They would benefit from selecting players with more versatility.