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Every chance that Sam Mitchell and Hodge can be added to that list in a few years.  Awesome record.

Re Roos thought processes.  I've often wondered how we ended up with Goodwin who had minimal coaching experience.  In fact just a few years at a dodgy club in turmoil.  

Goodwin was appointed about a year after Roos.  I doubt Roos spent that year idly waiting for him to walk in the front door.  There were occasional rumours of potential coaches but we will never know how many we approached who didn't make the grade or who knocked us back.  So, was it a Bradbury appointment? 

I still think Goodwin can be a good coach.  Was he the best around at the time?  Maybe, just the best we could get.

 

Just noticed another similar thread.   @Demonland  maybe this thread should be merged with

 

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8 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Every chance that Sam Mitchell and Hodge can be added to that list in a few years.  Awesome record.

Re Roos thought processes.  I've often wondered how we ended up with Goodwin who had minimal coaching experience.  In fact just a few years at a dodgy club in turmoil.  

Goodwin was appointed about a year after Roos.  I doubt Roos spent that year idly waiting for him to walk in the front door.  There were occasional rumours of potential coaches but we will never know how many we approached who didn't make the grade or who knocked us back.  So, was it a Bradbury appointment? 

I still think Goodwin can be a good coach.  Was he the best around at the time?  Maybe, just the best we could get.

 

Just noticed another similar thread.   @Demonland  maybe this thread should be merged with

 

We wanted Dew. He would have effectively been a Clarko apprentice due to playing in 2008. 

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1 hour ago, Demonsone said:

Can’t argue with these facts... 

I wish Goodwin nothing but success but just[ ] wonder what the thought process was when Roos was looking for a successor???[/b]

 

 

I’m sure it wasn’t simply “who has been an assistant under Clarkson”

Many of the great coaches had many players and assistants who went on to be great coaches themselves... or they became known as great coaches as a result of the success that came from being surrounded by so many players and assistants who were capable of being great coaches in their own right.

I’d be inclined to think that Clarkson has had a fair hand in the success that has followed him, but I wouldn’t discount the ability of someone simply because they didn’t complete a tutelage under him.

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1 hour ago, Engorged Onion said:

erm , these are just little factoids that at some stage will be broken, either Goodwin, perhaps Hinkley, perhaps Rutten, perhaps Teague... it'll happen.

Mind, not a bad legacy at all.

Not bad?

Wow you're a hard marker. Clarko will go down as the best coach from the last 50 years. And his apprentices will likely have strong success as well.

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17 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Not bad?

Wow you're a hard marker. Clarko will go down as the best coach from the last 50 years. And his apprentices will likely have strong success as well.

FFS @jnrmac - I'm not typically in to your histrionics when you post, and your comment on the language I used in my post has raised my ire.  I use understated language out of respect  and of acknowledgement of the legacy of Clarkson, that might not be your cup of tea, but get your hand off it.

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raging fury at some human I do not know....could be the sunday sesh.
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12 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

erm , these are just little factoids that at some stage will be broken, either Goodwin, perhaps Hinkley, perhaps Rutten, perhaps Teague... it'll happen.

Mind, not a bad legacy at all.

Agreed.  There was a time when Malthouse underlings were viewed as the next big thing.

12 hours ago, Gouga said:

We wanted Dew. He would have effectively been a Clarko apprentice due to playing in 2008. 

Was it that Dew was sought out because he was a Paul Roos protégé?

 

So begs the question who of note was it that tutored Clarko to be the undisputed champion coach of the AFL?  He had a fairly short coaching apprenticeship by modern standards. 

 

Not disputing that the guy has an enviable record or that some of his assistants have done ok as well, but personally I think some of this Clarko midas touch on assistant coaches is a bit overrated at times.

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43 minutes ago, america de cali said:

What about Chris Fagan? Not a premiership coach yet but has lifted a team dead in the water to a genuine threat in the near future in only his third season.

Now this is interesting. Fagan was widely credited with being a crucial part of the HFC brains trust and a steadying influence on Clarko who could "talk him down" when in a rage, and counter his crazier ideas.

When Fagan left, HFC insiders worried that Clarko had lost his minder and would be unchecked.

Now Fagan is having a great effect on BFC.

We may never know, but I wonder how much of the "Clarko effect" could fairly be called the "Fagan effect"?

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Looking at it from another direction, top quality assistants are looking to work with Clarkson base don his reputation.  Therefore those applying or willing to work with him will be the pick of the bunch.

The thing I heard about Clarko before he became a senior coach was his determination.  AFL was holdings it first lv 3 coaching event, Clarko was not invited but turn up and join in.  He is a coach who knows what he needs to be successful and he is audacious enough to get it.  Hence his success.

Does that drive and his ability to delegate and build his assistants produce high quality coaches, maybe yes.  But success as a coach is traditionally seen as  80% players 20% coach/game plan.

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11 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

There was a time, not so long ago, when the Malthouse coaching academy was all the rage...

With Malthouse it was a baseless 'herd mentality' in advance of any of his proteges achieving anything.  Few ever would and are no longer senior coaches:  Neeld, Sanderson, B. Scott.  Buckley may be the exception.

Some clubs were silly enough to take the hype and Malthouse's unabashed promotion of those proteges, seriously.

With Clarkson the plaudits are coming after his proteges have the runs are on the board.  Some will fail eg Bolton but he has a very good batting average. 

Chalk and cheese situations.

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On 9/22/2019 at 6:50 PM, Lucifer's Hero said:

I know that - he was one who turned us down.

He didnt  turn us down. He was denied to us by Collis.

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