MFC needs own VFL side

[Demonsone 1,593]

Club needs it’s own VFL side gain complete control of its player development & honestly having our vfl side @ Casey 50klm away I’m just not sure how this works?? Im old school but both senior & reserves should be training together with all your coaches together. Tigers vfl playing in 2 of the 4 last gf 

Edited September 22, 2019 by Demonsone

[dazzledavey36 48,607]

18 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Club needs it’s own VFL side gain complete control of its player development & honestly having our vfl side @ Casey 50klm away I’m just not sure how this works?? I old school but both senior & reserves should be training together with all your coaches together. Tigers vfl playing in 2 of the 4 last gf 

Clearly...

[rjay 23,839]

Hawthorn/Box Hill says hello...

[Diamond_Jim 11,670]

In the OP's defence the relationship between Casey listed players and MFC could be better explained.

As I understand it on most occasions the Casey group train alone and have a separate pre-season. The fact that the Casey players are part time as against the MFC listed players dictates such an arrangement.

Nevertheless I would be interested to hear if that is the same with other VFL aligned/owned clubs.

At the next bargaining round/TV rights deal I would not be surprised to see the VFL comp re-organised at least as one often hears that they cost a lot of money to maintain.

Interesting to see that until this season WCE didn't have its own WAFL side.(Good wiki below.)

https://eaglepedia.fandom.com/wiki/Reserves

[Demonsone 1,593]

1 hour ago, rjay said:

Hawthorn/Box Hill says hello...

waveley to box hill vs melb to casey?

[Demon_spurs 1,639]

2 hours ago, Demonsone said:

Club needs it’s own VFL side gain complete control of its player development & honestly having our vfl side @ Casey 50klm away I’m just not sure how this works?? Im old school but both senior & reserves should be training together with all your coaches together. Tigers vfl playing in 2 of the 4 last gf 

Didn't we also play in 2 of the 4 GF's in the VFL?

[Cranky Franky 1,473]

6 hours ago, Demonsone said:

Club needs it’s own VFL side gain complete control of its player development & honestly having our vfl side @ Casey 50klm away I’m just not sure how this works?? Im old school but both senior & reserves should be training together with all your coaches together. Tigers vfl playing in 2 of the 4 last gf 

Are you a dill or just uninformed ?

We have a VFL side - its called the Casey Demons & we completely control every aspect of it including player development.  Get with the program.

 

[AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey 390]

6 hours ago, Demonsone said:

Club needs it’s own VFL side gain complete control of its player development & honestly having our vfl side @ Casey 50klm away I’m just not sure how this works?? Im old school but both senior & reserves should be training together with all your coaches together. Tigers vfl playing in 2 of the 4 last gf 

Good luck until we get our own training base - which will be yonks away. How would we fit in our AFL, VFL and AFLW sides into AAMI park with the Storm, Victory and Rebels??? Also recall our VFL side being very successful for the better part of the last 5 years

[picket fence 15,036]

Gaaawd I have been saying this for YEARS!!

 

[DeeSpencer 23,051]

Would love to have a training base that doubles as a VFL and AFLW stadium and have them all train and play together as much as possible but you can't always have everything.

By the way I'm sure the Tigers VFL guys don't train with the AFL players at all times, they have to work just like the Casey guys do.

Also I hope we get out to Casey more often in preseason to train on the full sized oval.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

There's a tough solution to all our problems.

Turn Casey into our training base as well as our VFL, VFLW and AFLW home. Fair chance we could score enough money from the government to turn Casey fields into an elite facility with community links, as well as developing the stadium into a 20-25k seated venue. This could also raise the possibility of us arranging a deal with the City Of Casey to play a home game there every year, which could replace the Darwin game.

Hawks players drive out to Waverley, Saints out to Moorabbin, sure it's not ideal but my opinion is the players would prefer an actual elite facility that's a bit of a drive compared to sharing the showers with a bunch of other teams.

Yeah it's not the ideal answer, but how many more years do we roll with poor facilities while we wish away the time waiting for some kind of imaginary land to appear next to the G.

And just to put it out there, I don't WANT this, but I do want an actual solution.

[Beetle 4,279]

18 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

 

Hawks players drive out to Waverley, Saints out to Moorabbin

Waverley is straight off the Monash and and 5 minutes from Eastlink.

Moorabbin isnt far down the Nepean when you live in Sandringham etc.

Casey is another 20 minutes past the back of my nuts.

I agree with the notion and it may well be the only answer we have...but geez it would make our club even less desirable to players than it already is.

Unless we buy Cranbourne, bulldoze it and set up a luxury secure compound for all players and families.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

3 minutes ago, Beetle said:

Waverley is straight off the Monash and and 5 minutes from Eastlink.

Moorabbin isnt far down the Nepean when you live in Sandringham etc.

Casey is another 20 minutes past the back of my nuts.

I agree with the notion and it may well be the only answer we have...but geez it would make our club even less desirable to players than it already is.

Unless we buy Cranbourne, bulldoze it and set up a luxury secure compound for all players and families.

Wasn't saying they were all comparable from a geographic point of view. Just saying that those teams don't train in their actual suburbs, let alone near the CBD or the MCG.

As I said though, my opinion is players would rather drive 40 minutes than 10 if it means they get actual elite facilities. Just my opinion though, haven't done a survey or anything.

Plus, being a professional organization who wins games would be more deisrable than just a great location, otherwise GWS and GC's situations would be reversed.

[Demon trucker 1,722]

10 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Wasn't saying they were all comparable from a geographic point of view. Just saying that those teams don't train in their actual suburbs, let alone near the CBD or the MCG.

As I said though, my opinion is players would rather drive 40 minutes than 10 if it means they get actual elite facilities. Just my opinion though, haven't done a survey or anything.

Plus, being a professional organization who wins games would be more deisrable than just a great location, otherwise GWS and GC's situations would be reversed.

Did not work for  the saints at frankston,  they have state of the art facilities down there but have  abandoned those facilities to go back to Moorabbin stating that the drive was the Factor no one wanted to drive down there no matter how good they were.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

34 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

Did not work for  the saints at frankston,  they have state of the art facilities down there but have  abandoned those facilities to go back to Moorabbin stating that the drive was the Factor no one wanted to drive down there no matter how good they were.

Yeah good point mate, can understand that. But at the same time, it's not like they moved to St Kilda or somewhere close to the CBD. They're still a while out.

Just think the Casey option is one that could get a lot of financial support and gives us the most freedom, as opposed to trying to turn a small corner of grass next to the freeway into an elite facility, while still training on the same oval we're currently on.

I'm not pushing for it, I would much rather we have a home base close in, but it's just not happening for us and we can't keep falling behind IMO.

[Mel Bourne 3,593]

13 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

There's a tough solution to all our problems.

Turn Casey into our training base as well as our VFL, VFLW and AFLW home. Fair chance we could score enough money from the government to turn Casey fields into an elite facility with community links, as well as developing the stadium into a 20-25k seated venue. This could also raise the possibility of us arranging a deal with the City Of Casey to play a home game there every year, which could replace the Darwin game.

Hawks players drive out to Waverley, Saints out to Moorabbin, sure it's not ideal but my opinion is the players would prefer an actual elite facility that's a bit of a drive compared to sharing the showers with a bunch of other teams.

Yeah it's not the ideal answer, but how many more years do we roll with poor facilities while we wish away the time waiting for some kind of imaginary land to appear next to the G.

And just to put it out there, I don't WANT this, but I do want an actual solution.

Aren’t we having a difficult enough time attracting players to our club? Telling them that they can add 1-2 hours total travel time to each training session might not exactly serve as icing on the cake. 

[Lord Nev 13,511]

52 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

Aren’t we having a difficult enough time attracting players to our club? Telling them that they can add 1-2 hours total travel time to each training session might not exactly serve as icing on the cake. 

As opposed to telling them they have to watch out for dog poo on the oval and share the showers with 80 other blokes?

[Mel Bourne 3,593]

22 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

As opposed to telling them they have to watch out for dog poo on the oval and share the showers with 80 other blokes?

No. As opposed to neither of those things  

 

[Lord Nev 13,511]

Just now, Mel Bourne said:

No. As opposed to neither of those things 

Fair enough mate. I guess we just see it differently. Personally I would prefer the little bit of extra travel if it meant using elite facilities as opposed to training on a public park, sharing everything with other sports and not having the offices in the same building. I can understand what you're saying though. I guess I'm just sick of us having sub-standard facilities and spending our time wishing away things that either won't happen or are half-baked.

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Fair enough mate. I guess we just see it differently. Personally I would prefer the little bit of extra travel if it meant using elite facilities as opposed to training on a public park, sharing everything with other sports and not having the offices in the same building. I can understand what you're saying though. I guess I'm just sick of us having sub-standard facilities and spending our time wishing away things that either won't happen or are half-baked.

Sub standard facilities, it is not ideal,  but you need to get on a tour, there is nothing sub standard about the facilities, if you mean the gym, pool, massage and physio that is

Club gets grief from all for the split in the Club, trying to resolve, but Casey not the answer

Edited September 23, 2019 by Satyriconhome

[Ditcha 338]

The facilities at AAMI Park are fine, as one of Australia's most successful football teams the Melbourne Storm use the same facilities. Also Melbourne Victory use the same facilities, and they have been very successful as well. We already have our own team in the VFL as we control the Casey Demons. 

[Lord Nev 13,511]

43 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Sub standard facilities, it is not ideal,  but you need to get on a tour, there is nothing sub standard about the facilities, if you mean the gym, pool, massage and physio that is

Club gets grief from all for the split in the Club, trying to resolve, but Casey not the answer

I've been there mate. Sure the actual facilities are not at Arden St in the 90s levels, but compared to other clubs we are a long way behind AND most importantly we share it all with at least 3 other sporting clubs. It's simply not good enough.

Ideally Casey is not the answer. But we've gone decades without a true base and nothing has been properly resolved. We were told we would have a new base lined up by the end of 2018, it's still not even close.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

6 minutes ago, Ditcha said:

The facilities at AAMI Park are fine, as one of Australia's most successful football teams the Melbourne Storm use the same facilities. Also Melbourne Victory use the same facilities, and they have been very successful as well. We already have our own team in the VFL as we control the Casey Demons. 

Wouldn't put the NRL and A-League in the same category as the AFL in terms of being an elite level sport IMO.

How have the other tenants, the Dees and the Rebels gone?

[Ditcha 338]

The NRL and A-League are elite sports, and once more you can represent Australia against other countries. Rugby league and soccer are played worldwide and not just in small part of Australia.

I do not think that the facilities are totally to blame for the dees and rebels problems.

[Mel Bourne 3,593]

4 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Fair enough mate. I guess we just see it differently. Personally I would prefer the little bit of extra travel if it meant using elite facilities as opposed to training on a public park, sharing everything with other sports and not having the offices in the same building. I can understand what you're saying though. I guess I'm just sick of us having sub-standard facilities and spending our time wishing away things that either won't happen or are half-baked.

Totally agree. An upgrade is well overdue. I see moving to Casey Fields as very much a “buy cheap, buy twice” scenario though.