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3 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

The article says his manager believes from MFC that he is required.

Yeah, Bit late to say that in Sept when he is out of contract buck

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9 minutes ago, TGR said:

Well, well well.

 

Clarkson sells us treacle in Lewis.

Then, the best coach in the business wants Frost.

 

Do the frigging maths MFC.  Getting rid of Watts was supposed to be our panacea.  Now Frost.

 

Clarko playing us easily.

 

 

I think I’m over this basket-case of a club.  Divested.  The simpletons deserve it.  All of it.

 

Clarkson didn’t sell us Lewis. A three time premiership legend in Lewis chose to come to us.

Clarkson did chase Fitzpatrick though, so that deal is more relevant to your argument.

If any club has played us its Collingwood offloading Lamumba & Dawes and pinching Howe & Dunne.

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This from the Hun

SAM FROST

Melbourne has seriously lowballed the out-of-contract key defender, who looks certain to reject that contract offer and join a third AFL club. It emerged last night that North Melbourne — following Scott Thompson’s retirement — could overtake Hawthorn as a suitor with both clubs targeting key defenders

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/trades-unplugged-essendons-joe-daniher-has-a-big-decision-to-make/news-story/75bad70b29a03c07f1cf009fce309c6a

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11 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

The article says his manager believes from MFC that he is required.

That’s just talk to get his price up

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Typical Melbourne.....one of the only blokes who is a 100m player & whilst his efficiency isn't ideal I love how he takes the game on  attacks from the back half.

Exactly the type of player we need to keep.....we are not going to get extra outside run from Tomlinson.

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4 minutes ago, Laughing Goat said:

Typical Melbourne.....one of the only blokes who is a 100m player & whilst his efficiency isn't ideal I love how he takes the game on  attacks from the back half.

Exactly the type of player we need to keep.....we are not going to get extra outside run from Tomlinson.

So true, others such as Lever and Salem gain little distance and sometimes hurt momentum

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10 minutes ago, Good Lord George said:

This from the Hun

SAM FROST

Melbourne has seriously lowballed the out-of-contract key defender, who looks certain to reject that contract offer and join a third AFL club. It emerged last night that North Melbourne — following Scott Thompson’s retirement — could overtake Hawthorn as a suitor with both clubs targeting key defenders

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/trades-unplugged-essendons-joe-daniher-has-a-big-decision-to-make/news-story/75bad70b29a03c07f1cf009fce309c6a

If it's money and length of contract one would expect North to have more of both

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14 minutes ago, Good Lord George said:

This from the Hun

SAM FROST

Melbourne has seriously lowballed the out-of-contract key defender, who looks certain to reject that contract offer and join a third AFL club. It emerged last night that North Melbourne — following Scott Thompson’s retirement — could overtake Hawthorn as a suitor with both clubs targeting key defenders

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/trades-unplugged-essendons-joe-daniher-has-a-big-decision-to-make/news-story/75bad70b29a03c07f1cf009fce309c6a

Interesting considering Rawlings just went there 

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21 minutes ago, Laughing Goat said:

Typical Melbourne.....one of the only blokes who is a 100m player & whilst his efficiency isn't ideal I love how he takes the game on  attacks from the back half.

Exactly the type of player we need to keep.....we are not going to get extra outside run from Tomlinson.

Frosts job is as a 1st or 2nd KPD stopper. Why is it that his 'bonus' attribute of elite speed suddenly is an essential aspect of our back 6 going forward? Other clubs don't demand it of their stoppers. Don't we have Hibberd, Salem and Lever (KK, Wagner etc) as rebounding runners/kickers? If you want more speed out of defence, replace Hibberd. Try Jason Johannisen. If you want a reliable KPD to help May, recruit a KPD primarily to Stop (Like we were apparently reported to be doing with Keath)

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23 minutes ago, Good Lord George said:

This from the Hun

SAM FROST

Melbourne has seriously lowballed the out-of-contract key defender, who looks certain to reject that contract offer and join a third AFL club. It emerged last night that North Melbourne — following Scott Thompson’s retirement — could overtake Hawthorn as a suitor with both clubs targeting key defenders

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/trades-unplugged-essendons-joe-daniher-has-a-big-decision-to-make/news-story/75bad70b29a03c07f1cf009fce309c6a

At least a bidding war could drive our asking price up.

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1 minute ago, John Demonic said:

Frosts job is as a 1st or 2nd KPD stopper. Why is it that his 'bonus' attribute of elite speed suddenly is an essential aspect of our back 6 going forward? Don't we have Hibberd, Salem and Lever as rebounding runners/kickers? If you want more speed out of defence, replace Hibberd. If you want a reliable KPD to help May, recruit a KPD primarily to Stop (Like we were apparently reported to be doing with Keath)

Keath is an intercepter also and struggles on key forwards (just like Lever). 

Salem is not going to run away from a small forward.

Hibberd is the only one who provides genuine run out of your 3 and there are question marks over if he is passed it.

 

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1 minute ago, Watts the matter said:

Keath is an intercepter also and struggles on key forwards (just like Lever). 

Salem is not going to run away from a small forward.

Hibberd is the only one who provides genuine run out of your 3 and there are question marks over if he is passed it.

 

He's 198cm, new to the game and building attributes. If we recruited him, i think we'd be doing it as a utility backman that can hold down defence and go 3rd man up. I don't think we are seeking a key position defender to sprint out of defence and provide us run, it's just a unique 'bonus' quirk of Frosts game, which can also be one of his and our vulnerabilities when it's turned over.

Salem's skill and disposal out of defence helps us find a target and rebound with more care and patience, nothing has changed and you can expect him to have as big an impact next year as he did in 2018 imo.

 

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3 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

He's 198cm, new to the game and building attributes. If we recruited him, i think we'd be doing it as a utility backman that can hold down defence and go 3rd man up. I don't think we are seeking a key position defender to sprint out of defence and provide us run, it's just a unique 'bonus' quirk of Frosts game, which can also be one of his and our vulnerabilities when it's turned over.

Salem's skill and disposal out of defence helps us find a target and rebound with more care and patience, nothing has changed and you can expect him to have as big an impact next year as he did in 2018 imo.

 

Not sure why you are talking about keath JD. Salem is a neat but underwhelming player for me. 

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11 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

Not sure why you are talking about keath JD. Salem is a neat but underwhelming player for me. 

I'm just suggesting that if Frost were to leave, we wouldn't be seeking a key position defender to replace him with elite burst out of defence (edit: as a key criteria), it would be primarily as a man on man defender, an ability to spoil and a level of skill that he can at least hit a target more times than not by foot. You look for elite speed from your half back flankers like Saad, McKenna, Johanissen.

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3 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

I'm just suggesting that if Frost were to leave, we wouldn't be seeking a key position defender to replace him with elite burst out of defence, it would be primarily as a man on man defender, an ability to spoil and a level of skill that he can at least hit a target more times than not by foot. You look for elite speed from your half back flankers like Saad, McKenna, Johanissen.
 

Yeah I see, I am a Frost fan in that he has some elite attributes, is young, durable and I am not convinced he has been coached well. Hawks are masters at improving the likes of Frost. I go back all the way to playing school footy with Dipper when his main attribute was just a giant punch at the ball and up and under disposal. He became an elite kicker of the ball and a lot more. 

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33 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

Yeah I see, I am a Frost fan in that he has some elite attributes, is young, durable and I am not convinced he has been coached well. Hawks are masters at improving the likes of Frost. I go back all the way to playing school footy with Dipper when his main attribute was just a giant punch at the ball and up and under disposal. He became an elite kicker of the ball and a lot more. 

I'm not convinced Frost can be coached to be anything more than he currently is, which means he cannot play on a wing, he cannot play up forward or on the ball. He's a defender. A very handy defender, but if he was traded for another key position defender, we haven't lost rebound out of defence, we've lost a player that can keep Brown to 2 goals and limit Hawkins impact in a final quarter - which we would want to replace with another player. If we want rebound out of defence, we should be looking at players than can rotate between wing, midfield and half back, or even half forward, players with skill by foot primarily, and just enough pace to evade a tackle. Players that have the tank to gut run up and down the G and help out their key position defenders who hold the fort/outer rim of press

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Keath?  Not in Frosts league. Had a good year but a stopper type full back.  We need Frosty at CHB. Played 22 games.  That’s more than Lever and May. All 3 make an imposing backline.  

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23 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

I'm just suggesting that if Frost were to leave, we wouldn't be seeking a key position defender to replace him with elite burst out of defence (edit: as a key criteria), it would be primarily as a man on man defender, an ability to spoil and a level of skill that he can at least hit a target more times than not by foot. You look for elite speed from your half back flankers like Saad, McKenna, Johanissen.

The issue here is Salem and Jetta are our small defenders who should be giving us the run. They don't generate like other teams runners do, therefore we need players like Frost to help spread the load here or to get rid of Jetta.

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4 hours ago, Demon Forever said:

This brayshaw talk is crazy talk

Agree . So would talk of getting rid of Frost and keeping OMac.

Issac Smith is in his 30’s and has no currency for me.

 

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I would be super [censored] if Frost goes. 

He is just the wildly unpredictable player who becomes both a fan favourite and the type of individual  and a club needs 

He is also a rapidly improving weapon. 

We cannot afford to lose him as it would just confirm the [censored] club we are descending to

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