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Are you stupid or just a troll? Or both? 

There is one stat that stands out to me re: Jack and his importance to our side. In the three finals last year, he averaged: 23 disposals, 6 tackles, 8 clearances, 16 contested possessions a

Only Jack himself can pardon you. I'd be careful about approaching him at training, though. You don't want to end up in the Jack Viney Made Me Cry Thread. 


11 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

I might have suggested, at some stage, on another thread, that we consider trading JV.

Please forgive me.

I'd trade Brayshaw a million times before even thinking of letting Viney go (and i don't want to trade Brayshaw). For all his limitations, Viney does not take a backward step, gives 100% and is always happy to be the first one to rampage through the wall.

His onfield leadership and physicality becomes all the more important, now that May is out for a month.

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21 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

I might have suggested, at some stage, on another thread, that we consider trading JV.

Please forgive me.

Only Jack himself can pardon you.

I'd be careful about approaching him at training, though. You don't want to end up in the Jack Viney Made Me Cry Thread. 

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16 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

I'd trade Brayshaw a million times before even thinking of letting Viney go (and i don't want to trade Brayshaw). For all his limitations, Viney does not take a backward step, gives 100% and is always happy to be the first one to rampage through the wall.

His onfield leadership and physicality becomes all the more important, now that May is out for a month.

He was very good at the weekend and was back to his bullocking best. Hopefully the foot doesn't flair up and he can maintain this form for the rest of the season.

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15 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

 

His onfield leadership and physicality becomes all the more important, now that May is out for a month.

Was thinking about this today

Does Jack spend some time in defence with May out for a few weeks, to help out or does he keep pushing forward??

 

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12 minutes ago, Grapeviney said:

Only Jack himself can pardon you.

I'd be careful about approaching him at training, though. You don't want to end up in the Jack Viney Made Me Cry Thread. 

Viney doesn't forget. Or forgive.

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8 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Was thinking about this today

Does Jack spend some time in defence with May out for a few weeks, to help out or does he keep pushing forward??

 

He's been spending time at half-forward as part of his rotation through the middle and his forward pressure has been immense. 

He is arguably our best tackler and on the weekend he was unrelenting. I like him there and hope it continues. 

We seem to be gelling unbelievably well atm. 

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52 minutes ago, demonstone said:

That's just standardus operandus around here if have interpretated this site properly.

Pretty corny........just saying

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Just maybe there needed to be some clear air done. I reckon if it was still around Williams would have picked up on it.

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55 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

He's been spending time at half-forward as part of his rotation through the middle and his forward pressure has been immense. 

He is arguably our best tackler and on the weekend he was unrelenting. I like him there and hope it continues. 

We seem to be gelling unbelievably well atm. 

Yes I know 

some of that pressure may be useful in defence with May out. 
late night srategy meetings will be going on right now to see how we cover the next few weeks

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1 hour ago, JimmyGadson said:

He's been spending time at half-forward as part of his rotation through the middle and his forward pressure has been immense. 

He is arguably our best tackler and on the weekend he was unrelenting. I like him there and hope it continues. 

We seem to be gelling unbelievably well atm. 

Yep, I wouldn’t move him back, keep him where he is having the greatest influence. Lever can co-ordinate the backline, and if there is some niggle that’s needing to be sorted, I’m sure Jack will gladly make his way down to see what’s going on.

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2 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

If Jack wanted to leave, then that's his choice, if the FD pushed it because of a need to either get him out, or get out his flaws to capitalise on someone where the attributes would be more useful, than that is fine too.

But jeez, you know what you are going to get and not get with Jack... 'it does what it says on the tin'

 

I think the Club has got smarter with this bit and much like the term "doing a Bradbury", I think "doing a Treloar" will become the go to phrase for describing when a Club monumentally stuff's up the moving on of a player.

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I want to put my hand up and say I was wrong about this. I haven't gone back over the thread to see, but I'm pretty sure I was one of the voices to trade Jack. It turns out he needed a bit more maturity and better coaching.

The midfield is working a treat this year. There definitely seems to be a selflessness emanating through the midfield group and Jack seems to be trying to keep things simple. If he does the simple things well he's a very good player.

I'm glad. And sorry, Jack.

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2 hours ago, John Demonic said:

It was really a 'Trade excess inside midfielder we're plodding on a wing, for an actual winger" thread, that JV/Brayshaw are caught up in. The club is playing JV in the midfield and he's thriving, which is a No brainer outcome. The jury is still out on that wing position as the season progresses.

Think the wing is going well in Gus's hands.

Good disposal to forwards and filled in down back well after quarter time. 

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1 hour ago, JimmyGadson said:

He's been spending time at half-forward as part of his rotation through the middle and his forward pressure has been immense. 

He is arguably our best tackler and on the weekend he was unrelenting. I like him there and hope it continues. 

We seem to be gelling unbelievably well atm. 

I should say despite going back on the trade Jack train, I was certainly one of the posters saying he needed to be utilised between half forward as a tackler and rolling through the midfield, so that's at least something. :P

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2 minutes ago, 58er said:

Think the wing is going well in Gus's hands.

Good disposal to forwards and filled in down back well after quarter time. 

I love Brayshaw and Viney (love all our players) so would hate to see one of them leave.

But I had said a number of times that we have a surplus of inside mids and the lack of outside run is the thing that is hurting us. So at the end of last year, if that was difference between us succeeding or not, I thought we should have looked at it - I thought moreso it would be Harmes or Brayshaw. The signs are really good so far and I hope more than anything it continues.  But we will lose matches this year and our flaws will be exposed (every team has them).  Will all the love still be here when that happens or if we drop a few in a row?  I hope people will not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I still think Brayshaw has played his best football as an inside mid and so for him to play on the wing or a flank is not only a sacrifice for the team - but also for his own career.  But maybe that's what he and the club want.  It is definitely working better than I thought it would in the preseason.  I am very intrigued when Brown and potentially Weid come back, will TMac be fighting with Brayshaw for the wing position?  And does anyone have Harmes in their best 22 anymore?  

What excited me most about the last few weeks on this issue (too many inside mids in the team) is that Viney has shown he can play a damaging role as a manic pressure forward when he's not on ball.  I think most of us thought he could do it, but I don't think we'd seen it consistently prior to this year.  Just like we'd want from Oliver, if our main mids can cause havoc when played forward it adds new weapons to the coach's kitbag that many teams don't have.

 

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35 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

I love Brayshaw and Viney (love all our players) so would hate to see one of them leave.

But I had said a number of times that we have a surplus of inside mids and the lack of outside run is the thing that is hurting us. So at the end of last year, if that was difference between us succeeding or not, I thought we should have looked at it - I thought moreso it would be Harmes or Brayshaw. The signs are really good so far and I hope more than anything it continues.  But we will lose matches this year and our flaws will be exposed (every team has them).  Will all the love still be here when that happens or if we drop a few in a row?  I hope people will not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I still think Brayshaw has played his best football as an inside mid and so for him to play on the wing or a flank is not only a sacrifice for the team - but also for his own career.  But maybe that's what he and the club want.  It is definitely working better than I thought it would in the preseason.  I am very intrigued when Brown and potentially Weid come back, will TMac be fighting with Brayshaw for the wing position?  And does anyone have Harmes in their best 22 anymore?  

What excited me most about the last few weeks on this issue (too many inside mids in the team) is that Viney has shown he can play a damaging role as a manic pressure forward when he's not on ball.  I think most of us thought he could do it, but I don't think we'd seen it consistently prior to this year.  Just like we'd want from Oliver, if our main mids can cause havoc when played forward it adds new weapons to the coach's kitbag that many teams don't have.

 

Good post mate.

As for your question about Harmes, yeah, I'd have him ahead of Tom Sparrow and/or James Jordon, because he offers the flexibility to play pressure forward or tagger or inside mid.

The coaches seem to be able to get the most out of our guys at the moment. I think Harmes will be the same.

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That this thread was even started is 'quite brilliant' as Ross Lyon would say. Gun teams have gun mids that need to learn to work together if they want to be strong finals contender. The answer isn't pushing one of your best players out and certainly not the most selfless mid of them all that had been waiting for the penny to drop with the other mids to lift their team first acts and sacrifice their games when it's their turn ... Bris had Voss, Black, Akermanis, Lappin etc. 3 brownlow medalist amongst them and they stayed together

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18 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

That this thread was even started is 'quite brilliant' as Ross Lyon would say. Gun teams have gun mids that need to learn to work together if they want to be strong finals contender. The answer isn't pushing one of your best players out and certainly not the most selfless mid of them all that had been waiting for the penny to drop with the other mids to lift their team first acts and sacrifice their games when it's their turn ... Bris had Voss, Black, Akermanis, Lappin etc. 3 brownlow medalist amongst them and they stayed together

Sorry, again, selfless means not trying to be a hero with your possessions. It may mean playing within your own limits. Jack seems to be doing this better now, but previously, he's resembled a rugby league players attempting to take on 15 tacklers instead of taking the right option. Jack seems to be maturing and understanding that rugby Jack is a selfish way to play and doesn't help our midfield. All of our mids have clearly had to learn how to function better together.

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3 hours ago, Grapeviney said:

Even illiterate people know Mea Culpa isn't French.

Evidently I'm not going to get too many laughs..

Cest la vie

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