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5 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Dees offered 750k from what I heard.

 

This sounds very generous

if he kicks 1-2 a game and helps us to a flag I will swear black and blue he is worth 3x more

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34 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

I can’t see any alternative but to become a Demon.

Im not sure what he is on at the pies, but say it’s 480k a year and pies have offered him another 2 years and maybe a rise to 550k 

Dees offer could be 600k a year over 3 so he is 700k better off overall.

Pies can’t match as they still have to retain Grundy and Moore for this year on bigger dollars and players like DeGoey next year.

Should be a no brainer to the MFC

Elliot signed a 1 year deal last year in the middle of his injury issues, he would be on a very reduced wage atm, I would be surprised if Melbourne has offered him anything exceptional it’s mainly just the security of time

my guess would be something in the 400-500 range dependant on certain mile stones being reached 

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Collingwood's Best and Fairest is on tonight so there will be no announcement that he is leaving the Pies until after that lest he get lynched by a toothless mob.

I'm hoping he either stays at the Pies or goes elsewhere because I don't think our supporter base could handle another long term injury to a big name recruit.

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9 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

99% confident ? If he doesn't come to the Dees will you buy everyone on demonland a beer ? just a thought.

Seconded 

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11 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Dees offered 750k from what I heard.

If he gets that he will roughly equal our highest paid players:  May and Lever the only Demons around that mark.  At a guess, Max might be getting close.

Huge risk for a perenniallt injured player.  It won't go down well if he breaks down next year, especially after our other big plays in the aforementioned May and Lever.  Not to mention it will deliver pick #17 to the Pies!

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2 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

If he gets that he will roughly equal our highest paid players:  May and Lever the only Demons around that mark.  At a guess, Max might be getting close.

Huge risk for a perenniallt injured player.  It won't go down well if he breaks down next year, especially after our other big plays in the aforementioned May and Lever.  Not to mention it will deliver pick #17 to the Pies!

Pretty sure T Mac is on large coin 7-800K

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The Pies do have 3 small/medium forwards best suited to leading out of the goal square in De Goey, Stephenson and Elliott. This would be a factor in Elliott's decision in 2 ways if he decides to leave. Firstly,  where is he in the pecking order for rotation time deep forward? Secondly, how much of their cap do the Pies want to invest in that type of player? De Goey particularly, and Stephenson will both want substantial contracts. How many dollars does that leave for Elliott's contract?

On another matter if we accepted rumours about what clubs are offering players no club'd be anywhere near under the salary cap. I doubt we have offered Elliott $750,000 a year. 

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My understanding was that he would be on around $350-400 for 3 years with a clause for a 4th. Collingwood are offering $250-300 for 2 years. No Idea where this $750 came from. It would be considerably negligent in our due-diligence to offer such a large amount of money for Elliott considering his history.

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I know I’m a broken record on this, but it still always surprises me when people care about how much players are paid. When a) we have no idea how we’re positioned salary cap wise and b) we can only ever guess how much they’re actually paid anyway, it makes the whole conversation meaningless.

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21 minutes ago, Kelpien said:

Why? Landing a player by offering decent coin and terms does not a good get make. Proof will be in the pudding. If he plays the majority of games next year and beyond and maintains the same or similar output then we can talk.

I think you might underestimate what goes into recruiting a player. We have targetted player a long way out (Lever, Langdon)  including Elliott.  Before any money is mentioned you must convince the player that your club is the one he should play for.  That includes values, culture, future prospects, the role he will play and so on.  If he doesn't like that money won't even be mentioned.

Elliott is a good player who most likely could choose a number of clubs.  He's chosen us by the sound of it.  We beat the Hawks, that's why they are out of it.  Mahoney, Goodwin, Taylor and a number of others have most likely played a role in convincing him we are worth his future.  Obviously once that's done the money counts but it's the last piece to fall into place.

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10 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I think you might underestimate what goes into recruiting a player. We have targetted player a long way out (Lever, Langdon)  including Elliott.  Before any money is mentioned you must convince the player that your club is the one he should play for.  That includes values, culture, future prospects, the role he will play and so on.  If he doesn't like that money won't even be mentioned.

Elliott is a good player who most likely could choose a number of clubs.  He's chosen us by the sound of it.  We beat the Hawks, that's why they are out of it.  Mahoney, Goodwin, Taylor and a number of others have most likely played a role in convincing him we are worth his future.  Obviously once that's done the money counts but it's the last piece to fall into place.

Where has it been said publicly that Hawthorn are out of contention?

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Neil Balme was interesting talking about players salaries yesterday. He spoke about how different players have different packages. Using Paddy Ryder's supposed new offer he said although it may seem high, it could also seem low depending how it is viewed.

For example if Paddy plays 15 games and has good KPIs he will be in clover. Maybe $450,000 or more. If however because of recurring injuries he plays only 10 games he might only make 2/3 of that. 

That isnt exactly what was said but he seemed to be making that point when asked about an average players salary.

So to extrapolate that, Collingwood may believe he will only be able to play 10 "Good" games, whereas Elliot believes he is fit for 20 Excellent games and is prepared to risk KPI's to acheive $750,000

 

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5 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Where has it been said publicly that Hawthorn are out of contention?

Was mentioned on 9 news last night

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6 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Where has it been said publicly that Hawthorn are out of contention?

Mentions it here.

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46 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

tomato sauce ?

Mate of a mate who knows some Collingwood people, so not posting it as solid undisputed fact, just what I heard.

 

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4 minutes ago, Damo said:

Neil Balme was interesting talking about players salaries yesterday. He spoke about how different players have different packages. Using Paddy Ryder's supposed new offer he said although it may seem high, it could also seem low depending how it is viewed.

For example if Paddy plays 15 games and has good KPIs he will be in clover. Maybe $450,000 or more. If however because of recurring injuries he plays only 10 games he might only make 2/3 of that. 

That isnt exactly what was said but he seemed to be making that point when asked about an average players salary.

So to extrapolate that, Collingwood may believe he will only be able to play 10 "Good" games, whereas Elliot believes he is fit for 20 Excellent games and is prepared to risk KPI's to acheive $750,000

 

The problem with having too much of a contract in incentives is that it makes it hard to budget your salary cap. 

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21 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I know I’m a broken record on this, but it still always surprises me when people care about how much players are paid. When a) we have no idea how we’re positioned salary cap wise and b) we can only ever guess how much they’re actually paid anyway, it makes the whole conversation meaningless.

I always find it interesting as far as the difference in what a player will accept at different clubs.

ie - Let's say Elliot stays at the Pies for 500K when we've offered 750k. Says a lot about how the industry perceives us as a destination in my opinion.

 

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3 minutes ago, AshleyH30 said:

Mentions it here.

Thanks for that, i had not heard that so it certainly helps our cause if true.

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5 minutes ago, Deefiant said:

Was mentioned on 9 news last night

Thanks Deefinat, i hope its true.

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8 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I thought I saw it here.  I might be wrong.

You are all over it BB, i had not seen or heard that news, so thanks for teh alert. Hopefully that helps us.

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37 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

If he gets that he will roughly equal our highest paid players:  May and Lever the only Demons around that mark.  At a guess, Max might be getting close.

Huge risk for a perenniallt injured player.  It won't go down well if he breaks down next year, especially after our other big plays in the aforementioned May and Lever.  Not to mention it will deliver pick #17 to the Pies!

That's assuming that 750K is accurate... 

 

 

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An interesting comment:  Cleary said the Lions’ medical department was a big sell.trade-period-rumours-whispers

Tough for us to compete on that one.

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30 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I know I’m a broken record on this, but it still always surprises me when people care about how much players are paid. When a) we have no idea how we’re positioned salary cap wise and b) we can only ever guess how much they’re actually paid anyway, it makes the whole conversation meaningless.

Well I would love to know how much each and every player receives.

 

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5 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

That's assuming that 750K is accurate...

That is what my post was questioning...

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