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Last two seasons: Melbourne - Finals played 3 / wins 2 Losses 1 Brisbane - Finals played 2 / wins 0 losses 2 While we had a shocking year, to say they are miles ahead is ridiculous.

No Elliot, No problem.

One day, maybe, we'll win a premiership and people will complain that the cup isn't shiny enough. Welcome to Demonland. 

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2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Do we have any further information as to why the Hawks pulled out.

Possible reasons:

  • Told by Elliott & Co. that they are not in the running (Between Pies & Dees)
  • Know he will re-sign with Pies
  • No longer want him for <insert reason here>
  • Can't afford him with <insert player names here> potentially coming into the team

 

I believe this is the reason. I also believe it may be due to the money they will be paying Frost. They're confident of getting him, and I believe they couldn't pay both Frost and Elliott what they want. There could also be a higher priority on their list, like Collingwood, they have an abundance of Elliott type players.

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8 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

I feel like Mahoney's comments involve things that he wouldn't have said if he wasn't confident about Elliott 

"We've got a 3-year deal in front of him", "we think we're a chance"

Just a hunch

He sounded guarded or even cagey about that answer almost like he was going to say "We're not going to discuss potential contracts on the air" and then just muttered the answer out anyway.

My gut feel re: the 3 year deal is that it is 3 years plus option for 4th.

I still think we're the pawn in trying to get a longer contract at the Pies, which I'm fine with as that's what I would do in his situation. If Collingwood can't or don't blink he might take the Demons up on the offer but it's certainly not his preference.

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2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

If true and our offer and theirs are similar then we are no chance.

Pfffffft. He may not want to move to Brisbane. Also, MFCSS.

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3 minutes ago, Demonland said:

If true and our offer and theirs are similar then we are no chance.

Don't agree with you there, been said several times that he ideally would like to stay in VIC

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Just now, Demonland said:

If true and our offer and theirs are similar then we are no chance.

Brisbane must have heard he is on the move, and decided to try their luck.

Disagree we are no chance against the Lions. We have been chasing him for quite a while and wouldn't be no chance.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Born and Bred. :P

 

Wikipedia - Early life[edit]

Elliott lived in Dongara, Western Australia before his family moved to Queensland. His father died when he was a teenager and his family moved to Euroa, Victoriawhere he played for the Murray Bushrangers in the TAC Cup. In 2011, he was invited to play two games for Collingwood in the Victorian Football League (VFL).[2]

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99% will be in red and blue next year.

Pies salary cap is at the limit, and they have an abundance fo medium and small forwards. He's the exact type of player they can afford to lose. They're just positioning themselves to look like they tried their best to keep him. If they just rushed him out the door their fans wouldn't be happy, as he's a fan favorite and a good footballer. It's smart for them to cash in while they can and get a first round pick as compo. 

Elliott came out of the meeting with Pies yesterday and he didn't say 'it was great, I'll be a Pie next year etc'. He walked out and said 'I've got a few days now to explore my options, still hopeful' etc. It was the talk of someone that is 100% gone and couldn't say anything yet as he's still negotiating and didn't want to burn a bridge or commit publicly to his new club until negotiations are done.

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7 minutes ago, Lord Ivanhoe said:

 

Wikipedia - Early life[edit]

Elliott lived in Dongara, Western Australia before his family moved to Queensland. His father died when he was a teenager and his family moved to Euroa, Victoriawhere he played for the Murray Bushrangers in the TAC Cup. In 2011, he was invited to play two games for Collingwood in the Victorian Football League (VFL).[2]

Born and bred was in relation to my veil of negativity that shrouds my Demon supporting life.

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I can’t see any alternative but to become a Demon.

Im not sure what he is on at the pies, but say it’s 480k a year and pies have offered him another 2 years and maybe a rise to 550k 

Dees offer could be 600k a year over 3 so he is 700k better off overall.

Pies can’t match as they still have to retain Grundy and Moore for this year on bigger dollars and players like DeGoey next year.

Should be a no brainer to the MFC

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3 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

I can’t see any alternative but to become a Demon.

Im not sure what he is on at the pies, but say it’s 480k a year and pies have offered him another 2 years and maybe a rise to 550k 

Dees offer could be 600k a year over 3 so he is 700k better off overall.

Pies can’t match as they still have to retain Grundy and Moore for this year on bigger dollars and players like DeGoey next year.

Should be a no brainer to the MFC

Or after some reflection he could stay at the Pies cause we are a basket case club.. 

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12 minutes ago, SPC said:

Or after some reflection he could stay at the Pies cause we are a basket case club.. 

I don’t think we are a basket case club at all.

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15 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

99% will be in red and blue next year.

Pies salary cap is at the limit, and they have an abundance fo medium and small forwards. He's the exact type of player they can afford to lose. They're just positioning themselves to look like they tried their best to keep him. If they just rushed him out the door their fans wouldn't be happy, as he's a fan favorite and a good footballer. It's smart for them to cash in while they can and get a first round pick as compo.

Crikey, I hope that is a guess...?

FA comp pick assessment made based on all AFL players aged over 25.

"First-round picks are awarded to players who rank in the top 5 per cent, based on the points, while end-of-first-round picks are given for free agents in the 5-15 per cent bracket. Second-round picks ...are for free agents in the 15-30 band. End of second round is for those ranked in the 30-50 per cent group" .afl-s-secret-formula-for-free-agency-compensation

We are offering a 3 year deal for a 27 year old so it must be a huge $ base contract to generate a first round comp pick ie #17.  If the pies get that or end of first round (#20) they are laughing all the way to the bank and won't try to keep him.

 

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I guess the big question for me now that' it been publicly stated that small forwards are an area of interest is who is plan B on the get a small forward list? would knock down the door of Sam Gray.

I feel like we will miss out on Elliott.

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Just now, Lucifer's Hero said:

Crikey, I hope that is a guess...?

FA comp pick assessment made based on all AFL players aged over 25.

"First-round picks are awarded to players who rank in the top 5 per cent, based on the points, while end-of-first-round picks are given for free agents in the 5-15 per cent bracket. Second-round picks ...are for free agents in the 15-30 band. End of second round is for those ranked in the 30-50 per cent group" .afl-s-secret-formula-for-free-agency-compensation

We are offering a 3 year deal for a 27 year old so it must be a huge $ base contract to generate a first round comp pick ie #17.  If the pies get that or end of first round (#20) they are laughing all the way to the bank and won't try to keep him.

 

It is a guess. If Ellis is going to GC at 600k and Tigers get an end of first round pick as comp, I'd imagine Elliott contract is roughly the same as that, and therefore end of first round compo. My thoughts above are based on that assumption, but in reality the AFL just makes up rubbish as it sees fit.

Pies will definitely let him go if they get end of first round compo and free up some cap space to retain Grundy, Degoey and Moore (who are all out of contract within 12 months).

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24 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

I can’t see any alternative but to become a Demon.

Im not sure what he is on at the pies, but say it’s 480k a year and pies have offered him another 2 years and maybe a rise to 550k 

Dees offer could be 600k a year over 3 so he is 700k better off overall.

Pies can’t match as they still have to retain Grundy and Moore for this year on bigger dollars and players like DeGoey next year.

Should be a no brainer to the MFC

Dees offered 750k from what I heard.

 

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33 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

99% will be in red and blue next year.

Pies salary cap is at the limit, and they have an abundance fo medium and small forwards. He's the exact type of player they can afford to lose. They're just positioning themselves to look like they tried their best to keep him. If they just rushed him out the door their fans wouldn't be happy, as he's a fan favorite and a good footballer. It's smart for them to cash in while they can and get a first round pick as compo. 

Elliott came out of the meeting with Pies yesterday and he didn't say 'it was great, I'll be a Pie next year etc'. He walked out and said 'I've got a few days now to explore my options, still hopeful' etc. It was the talk of someone that is 100% gone and couldn't say anything yet as he's still negotiating and didn't want to burn a bridge or commit publicly to his new club until negotiations are done.

99% confident ? If he doesn't come to the Dees will you buy everyone on demonland a beer ? just a thought.

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1 minute ago, Bay Riffin said:

99% confident ? If he doesn't come to the Dees will you buy everyone on demonland a beer ? just a thought.

Thanks for the valuable post mate.

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3 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

I wonder if he is landed whether some folks views of Mahoney will change?

Why? Landing a player by offering decent coin and terms does not a good get make. Proof will be in the pudding. If he plays the majority of games next year and beyond and maintains the same or similar output then we can talk.

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