Hayden Young (Drafted by Fremantle)

[DeeSpencer 23,103]

3 minutes ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

 

 

If he was such a standout he wouldn't be projected go as low as pick 10,  although to be fair anyone could have made that page.

Well we are all eagerly awaiting your draft guide.

Go ahead and compile all the stats and draft combine results and compile a list of over 100 players.

[JakovichScissorKick 771]

5 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Well we are all eagerly awaiting your draft guide.

Go ahead and compile all the stats and draft combine results and compile a list of over 100 players.

No.

[Redleg 37,554]

1 hour ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

No.

Could you be a little more succinct. This is not a site for equivocation.

[Moonshadow 16,157]

Young at 3.

No brainer.

Please do not split 3. Please.

[drysdale demon 4,146]

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Well we are all eagerly awaiting your draft guide.

Go ahead and compile all the stats and draft combine results and compile a list of over 100 players.

 

2 hours ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

No.

Aw, go on no one is going to laugh.

[Dees247 140]

40 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Young at 3.

No brainer.

Please do not split 3. Please.

Yeah, I've taken my time, but I've finally decided I hope we use pick 3 to draft Young. I hope we don't split pick 3, but don't mind if we split pick 8. I still believe we are going to draft Weightman with our second pick anyway, so if we can split it, get Weightman & get Pickett also, even better.

[spirit of norm smith 12,886]

Young simply is the best choice at 3. For years we have tolerated turnovers and poor disposal.  Young is the best kick but also importantly is a very good footballer. He can play back or midfield (wing) with excellent aerial skills.  
He would bring disposal into forward 50 which is crucial.  

I saw him 3 times in full games and he was BOG in all 3 games imo.  And if you forget how good this kid is, watch his highlights again. 
 

Skills. Footy smarts. Physically sound.  Captained Stingrays under 18s this year.
Knows what’s required as his brother is at the Bulldogs. 
Being a local boy is just a bonus. 

Hayden Young at 3.  

[dee-tox 4,793]

3 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Young simply is the best choice at 3. For years we have tolerated turnovers and poor disposal.  Young is the best kick but also importantly is a very good footballer. He can play back or midfield (wing) with excellent aerial skills.  
He would bring disposal into forward 50 which is crucial.  

I saw him 3 times in full games and he was BOG in all 3 games imo.  And if you forget how good this kid is, watch his highlights again. 
 

Skills. Footy smarts. Physically sound.  Captained Stingrays under 18s this year.
Knows what’s required as his brother is at the Bulldogs. 
Being a local boy is just a bonus. 

Hayden Young at 3.  

The low ball drop is a delight. Definetely a Hibberd replacement. Be interested to know if he could make it into the midfield. Salem, as an example, has struggled to make that transition. 

 

[spirit of norm smith 12,886]

On 11/8/2019 at 7:28 PM, Moonshadow said:

Young at 3.

No brainer.

Please do not split 3. Please.

Elite kicking skills. Words not used to describe a Demons player. Young has elite kicking skills. A lock at 3 imo. 

[Axis of Bob 10,207]

42 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Elite kicking skills. Words not used to describe a Demons player. Young has elite kicking skills. A lock at 3 imo. 

James Strauss had elite kicking skills. Just saying someone is a nice kick doesn’t necessarily make them the best pick. 

[dazzledavey36 48,704]

2 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

James Strauss had elite kicking skills. Just saying someone is a nice kick doesn’t necessarily make them the best pick. 

The other reason why I think we are leaning towards Jackson with this pick is a half back flanker who use the footy fine are easy to find. Marty Hore, Luke Ryan, Zac Williams Tom Stewart are just a few gems who were all half back flanker that were picked late in the draft.

A player in the caliber of Brodie Grundy and Max Gawn are very rare to find. It's no coincidence that the past 3 years these two have dominated All Australian selection. Grundy and Gawn are in their own league. Tim English will be right up there in about 2 years time.

Bring in Luke Jackson means we are set for another 10 years in our ruck department and we can focus on other holes on our list for the next few years.

[daisycutter 28,484]

50 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The other reason why I think we are leaning towards Jackson with this pick is a half back flanker who use the footy fine are easy to find. Marty Hore, Luke Ryan, Zac Williams Tom Stewart are just a few gems who were all half back flanker that were picked late in the draft.

A player in the caliber of Brodie Grundy and Max Gawn are very rare to find. It's no coincidence that the past 3 years these two have dominated All Australian selection. Grundy and Gawn are in their own league. Tim English will be right up there in about 2 years time.

Bring in Luke Jackson means we are set for another 10 years in our ruck department and we can focus on other holes on our list for the next few years.

apart from the jackson go home factor

[Wells 11 4,695]

1 hour ago, Axis of Bob said:

James Strauss had elite kicking skills. Just saying someone is a nice kick doesn’t necessarily make them the best pick. 

So did jack watts. 

[ChaserJ 3,962]

55 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The other reason why I think we are leaning towards Jackson with this pick is a half back flanker who use the footy fine are easy to find. Marty Hore, Luke Ryan, Zac Williams Tom Stewart are just a few gems who were all half back flanker that were picked late in the draft.

A player in the caliber of Brodie Grundy and Max Gawn are very rare to find. It's no coincidence that the past 3 years these two have dominated All Australian selection. Grundy and Gawn are in their own league. Tim English will be right up there in about 2 years time.

Bring in Luke Jackson means we are set for another 10 years in our ruck department and we can focus on other holes on our list for the next few years.

There are 5 or 6 quality half back options in this draft alone. We could select a good one at 8 or split that pick and still potentially nab Kemp, Gould, Rivers or Day.

[dazzledavey36 48,704]

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

apart from the jackson go home factor

Have to back and trust our system.

For every Jesse Hogan, there is a Cale Hooker, Andrew Swallow, Harry Taylor, Alex Rance, Lance Franklin and Stephen Congilio who have all come from WA and yet most likely will finish their careers with their clubs without going back to their native state.

Go home factor does not scare me.

[picket fence 15,097]

1 hour ago, Axis of Bob said:

James Strauss had elite kicking skills. Just saying someone is a nice kick doesn’t necessarily make them the best pick. 

I saw James Strauss gather the ball in the back pocket and kick it 20 metres to the opposition resulting in...... A goal!

Elite kicking skills??? I think not!

[dazzledavey36 48,704]

1 minute ago, ChaserJ said:

There are 5 or 6 quality half back options in this draft alone. We could select a good one at 8 or split that pick and still potentially nab Kemp, Gould, Rivers or Day.

Exactly.

The likes of Gould, Rivers and Sharp are all highly talented HBF's that can do just as a good job as of Young.

[Demons11 6,404]

26 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

There are 5 or 6 quality half back options in this draft alone. We could select a good one at 8 or split that pick and still potentially nab Kemp, Gould, Rivers or Day.

None as good as Young.  If GC didn’t have the 1st 2 picks, Young would be in the discussion to  be taken at 2 

Edited November 17, 2019 by Demons11

[dazzledavey36 48,704]

4 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

None as good as Young.  If GC didn’t have the 1st 2 picks, Young would be in the discussion to  be taken at 2 

Doubt it, Tom Green would be right in their sights. He is behind Rowell and Anderson in terms of talent, if not equal.

[FarNorthernD 5,839]

37 minutes ago, picket fence said:

I saw James Strauss gather the ball in the back pocket and kick it 20 metres to the opposition resulting in...... A goal!

Elite kicking skills??? I think not!

Was that James Strauss’s first game when the Melbourne coaching staff decided to give him the kicking out duties against a rampaging Hawthorn side? His first game. 

James also had a shoulder reconstruction, ankle and leg problems and that completely sickening injury where he broke both his tibula and fibula. Later he had his face kicked in by Campbell Brown when playing against the Suns. 
 

Who knows James may have not been up to an AFL career but I think it would be fair to say he didn’t get a fair run at it.

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,875]

17 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The other reason why I think we are leaning towards Jackson with this pick is a half back flanker who use the footy fine are easy to find. Marty Hore, Luke Ryan, Zac Williams Tom Stewart are just a few gems who were all half back flanker that were picked late in the draft.

A player in the caliber of Brodie Grundy and Max Gawn are very rare to find. It's no coincidence that the past 3 years these two have dominated All Australian selection. Grundy and Gawn are in their own league. Tim English will be right up there in about 2 years time.

Bring in Luke Jackson means we are set for another 10 years in our ruck department and we can focus on other holes on our list for the next few years.

Is Young purely a half back, surely there’s scope for for him to play other positions. Our team lacks good users of the ball by foot, Young would not be surplus to our needs.

I think it’s too early for Jackson to be described as “the caliber of Grundy and Gawn”. His highlights had him dominating the ruck but his disposal by foot wasn’t great. Would like to see some footage of him taking some big pack marks and his set shots on goal before using pick 3 on him. He doesn’t mind getting physical which is obviously a good thing. If he could dominate the fwd line then by all means but until then.... 
 

Considering where we finished in 2018 and then last year, I still think we need to use our picks on players that can kick. With our draw we should be playing finals but based on last year obviously nothing can be taken for granted. In another year if things were different I’d be all in for him but right now I don’t think we can afford the risk.

I personally would take Young and Ash/Stephens.

[Lord Travis 10,158]

Hayden Young

Young excelled as a HBF this year, as an elite intercept marker and best rebounding kick in this draft class. His kicking has great penetration is reliable both long and short. Young also did stints in the midfield after the championships to prove his inside ball-winning ability and versatility to recruiters. He performed well both inside and outside, cementing his top 5 draft status. Young projects as a future club captain and elite half back flanker.

Position - Half back flank, inside midfield, outside midfield.

Leadership - Elite, captain of his club, good on-field general and well-spoken. Likened to a young Luke Hodge.
Kicking - Elite (best kick in the draft)
Handballing - Good, usually to teammates advantage
Intercept marking - Elite (top 3 in this draft)
Agility - Elite (top ranked player at the draft combine)
Speed - Good
Tackling - Good-very good
Aggression - Elite, has mongrel in him
Production - Very good-elite, disposal average towards the high end of players this year

Edited November 18, 2019 by Lord Travis

[Demon Dynasty 15,364]

19 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Exactly.

The likes of Gould, Rivers and Sharp are all highly talented HBF's that can do just as a good job as of Young.

Much more to a player's make up than just disposals and accuracy but FWIW...

From the u18 Nats (numbers in parenthesis - DE% = total disposals, KE% & HB% = average disposals)...

                DE%            KE%           HB%

Pasini    86.8 (38)  85.2 (6.8)  90.9 (2.8)

Sturgess 84.7 (59) 83.9 (7.8)  85.7 (7)

B Smith 82.9 (41)  76.9 (4.3)   85.7 (9.3)

Day       82.7 (75)   79.5 (9.8)   86.1 (9)

Clark    81.0 (42)   75.0 (6)      88.9 (4.5)

*DKoning 80 (50)  73.1 (6.5)   87.5 (6)

Young  79.5 (88)   75.0 (16)     91.7 (6)

*Finlay  78.0 (50)  80.0 (7.5)   75.0 (5)

Johnson 77.8 (54) 73.0 (9.3)  88.2 (4.3)

Rivers  77.0 (87)   69.8 (10.8)  84.1 (11)

*Worrell 76.7 (43) 72.0 (6.3)   83.3 (4.5)

Ruscoe  74.6 (59) 73.2 (10.3) 77.8 (4.5)

*McAsey 74.1 (58) 76.3 (9.5)  70.0 (5)

Ash      73.9 (92)   70.6 (17)     83.3 (6)

Gould  69.8 (86)   67.9 (14)     73.3 (7.5)

Sharp  69.0 (84)   60.0 (13.8)  86.2 (7.3)

*Tall defenders.  The rest are classified as medium defenders.

Edited November 18, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[ben russell 764]

5 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Much more to a player's make up than just disposals and accuracy but FWIW...

From the u18 Nats (numbers in parenthesis - DE% = total disposals, KE% & HB% = average disposals)...

                DE%           KE%           HB%

Young  79.5 (88)   75.0 (16)     91.7 (6)

Rivers  77.0 (87)   69.8 (10.8)  84.1 (11)

Gould  69.8 (86)   67.9 (14)     73.3  (7.5)

Sharp  69.0 (84)   60.0 (13.8)  86.2 (7.3)

Would you happen to have Ash’s stats breakdown as well?

[Demon Dynasty 15,364]

13 minutes ago, ben russell said:

Would you happen to have Ash’s stats breakdown as well?

Done