Jump to content
  • Demonland Interviews

P-man

What gives you hope for next season?

Recommended Posts

Aside from the obvious in having (touch wood) an uninterrupted pre season and players being ready to hit the ground running, what are you clinging to when looking towards 2020 with any optimism?

There is the old adage of “we couldn’t possibly be as bad”. But the fact is, we could be.

For me, I keep returning to the first three quarters against West Coast, in particular the middle two quarters where we had all but total control of the game.

We were scoring from chains starting in our defensive 50. We were winning clearances and scoring from forward half stoppages. We were taking contested marks, winning contested possession, tackling inside 50 and dominating inside 50s.

It is that last measure that was a continuation of a theme particularly in the early part of the season; dominating the inside 50 count but not capitalising upon it. We generated 25 shots from 62 inside 50s (40%) and scored 9 goals. That obviously isn’t good enough. But the other indicators were all very positive.

Of course ee fell apart in the final quarter which was the more accurate representation of the year we have had. But in terms of looking forward, it’s hard not to take heart from performing in that fashion for the bulk of the game against the reigning premier and likely Grand Finalist for this year.

Is it fool’s gold? Am I being desperate? Maybe.

But we all need a life raft at this stage.

What’s yours?

Edited by P-man
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

108 seasons

I think we still have 54 left to go? Not long now.... :)

Im having a bit of fun... but sometimes all you got is hope.

 

Edited by Unleash Hell
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I will be Daniheresque. It is an even year.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Anything better than the crap that was dished up this year. Surely that can’t be too hard. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

At this stage not much. 

What will give me hope next season is when I see our team play good, SKILLFUL consistent footy as a team. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hoping That the collapse of this year combined w dean Burgess, stings then into attacking the  pre season attack unlike all others before , and as a result a fitness level above other teams. 

So..that will mean  running over teams in last quarters ang gathering team confidence as we win . ,

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

2018 showed we could do it but ran out of puff.

2019 at times we showed that we could do it at times but not sustain it.

Fewer surgeries.

Fewer injuries. (Apparently b.bears have only one injured player).

Longer, more gradual pre season.

Fewer week to week changes due to injuries that unsettle the team.

Most key players will have five years behind them and should be ready for top level AFL footy (McCartney's theory).

A solid core of players who have played 50-70 games together (the late Dean Bailey's theory).

It will be 2020 - 1+9+6+4= 20. What an omen.

 

 

  • Like 4
  • Love 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Goody realising that a focus mainly on crash / bash & overwhelm inside style of footy isn't going to win many games in the medium to long haul if this is your main go to method.

Speed on outside, spread and an attacking overlap game style taking over.  Also becoming expert at tempo / possession option when needed to ice match or protect a lead etc.

Getting the inside/outside structures  right - BALANCE.  Getting smalls and mediums front and square more often.

MASSIVE reduction in turnovers via improved skills, particularly by foot.

Flow on - hitting a stack more targets inside 50 (and generally), resulting in greater ball retention and control of game/momentum.

Big M as the new captain.  Viney & Jones getting a full pre-season in.  AVB making a miraculous comeback.

Snatching a key forward, 2 quality smalls and a classy outsider in the trade.

Burgess turning Tracc into an inside/outside beast who can tear a game apart through the mid field on a regular basis.

Clarry as per Tracc.  Get some run/gun and finish out of congestion...more kicking, fewer suicide/look away hand balls and instead looking to give first option to runners on the outside wherever possible.

A broom through many NQRs on the list in place of pace/burst power marking and finishing skills including at goal.

Uncovering a potential gun in the draft with serious X factor who can turn a match in 15 to 20 minutes of pulsating ball bursting footy!

Goal kicking accuracy generally!

Edited by Rusty Nails
  • Like 12
  • Love 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, tiers said:

2018 showed we could do it but ran out of puff.

2019 at times we showed that we could do it at times but not sustain it.

Fewer surgeries.

Fewer injuries. (Apparently b.bears have only one injured player).

Longer, more gradual pre season.

Fewer week to week changes due to injuries that unsettle the team.

Most key players will have five years behind them and should be ready for top level AFL footy (McCartney's theory).

A solid core of players who have played 50-70 games together (the late Dean Bailey's theory).

It will be 2020 - 1+9+6+4= 20. What an omen.

 

 

Add to that pick 3 in the draft and a much easier draw.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Aside from the cluster F that was the Sydney game, we haven't been too far off the mark since the bye round:

Fremantle - good win against a side on a 4 game winning streak (although they were down to 2 men)

Brisbane - good first half. Lost our way in the second half. Who knows what would've happened if Hipwood didn't kick 5 goals in 5 minutes.

Carlton - That win stacks up now, as underwhelming as it was at the time, 40 odd points up at one stage with T Mac kicking 6 goals in 3 qtrs. 

W Bulldogs - An 8 point loss against a team that has caught fire since the break is a decent effort. One of the rare games Lever and May played together.

West Coast - Another more than competitive effort against the reigning premiers, as we were in front at 3 qtr time. This performance was better than some of our (rare) wins. Again, Lever and May played together.

St Kilda - Bitterly disappointing performance to lose against what I consider a poor side but we lead with 10 minutes left, before our skills and fitness fell off the cliff. May didn't play.

Richmond - A meritorious first half going into the sheds on even terms. Kept the margin somewhat respectable.

Collingwood - Bitterly disappointing middle 2 quarters however had a rare good last quarter. Inaccuracy cost us dearly in this one as we lost by only 17 points.

Sydney - A disgrace.

Hopefully next year, the Dogs, WC, St Kilda and Collingwood losses are turned into wins.

  • Like 6

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What gives me hope is the way that we completely dominated contest and territory last year, and put it on the scoreboard most weeks - whereas this year, we still did ok in contest and territory most weeks but couldn't put it on the scoreboard.  We hold some sort of record for most inside 50s and inability to score this year or something?  Surely that can't go on next year with better availability up forward and hopefully, some smart recruiting.  

The games against West Coast also give me hope - in both matches, we should have been 5 goals up at 3/4 time.  They proved that the ability in terms of dominating the midfield and territory (through decent ball movement) is still there.  However, we continually get exposed defensively and in terms of outside spread, and this has been shown up this year to such an extent that the club must be focusing on targets that help to address this.  Our ball use is just deplorable and as much as we will focus on fitness this year, I hope that ball use, spread and running patterns are focused on just as much because it doesn't matter what Goody's game plan is, if our players can't hit targets by hand or foot, we will get beaten in most weeks.

I'm expecting a bounce, but probably to around mid-table rather than top four. 

  • Love 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

MASSIVE reduction in turnovers via improved skills, particularly by foot.

Hopefully a better pre season will result in better fitness which will result in better skills.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Hopefully a better pre season will result in better fitness which will result in better skills.

We will know by about Rnd 8 or so in 2020 BBP.  8 months is quite a wait!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The softer draw gives me hope, hope that we'll win more, hope that i'll  spend less time in the MCC bars as a result, hope that I save money as a result 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, tiers said:

2018 showed we could do it but ran out of puff.

2019 at times we showed that we could do it at times but not sustain it.

Fewer surgeries.

Fewer injuries. (Apparently b.bears have only one injured player).

Longer, more gradual pre season.

Fewer week to week changes due to injuries that unsettle the team.

Most key players will have five years behind them and should be ready for top level AFL footy (McCartney's theory).

A solid core of players who have played 50-70 games together (the late Dean Bailey's theory).

It will be 2020 - 1+9+6+4= 20. What an omen.

 

 

Not only that, it will be 2020. 

So does that make it like 1964 Mk II.

Perhaps it means that we can subsequently also me that we can have the pre 1964 success in the decades post 2020, like working our way backwards from 1964.  Could well handle a couple of three peats.

After holding out all this time the thought of multiple premierships - now that gives me some optimism!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In all seriousness though, if I have to boil it down, I'm optermisitic that we can bounce back and go places, because the core of our list is young and good enough to still have plenty of potential development ahead, but mature and experienced enough to stand up and start playing like men, not like boys, whilst other rivals have peaked and/or are stacked with players well into or past their prime.

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, DemonOX said:

At this stage not much. 

What will give me hope next season is when I see our team play good, SKILLFUL consistent footy as a team. 

I feel the same, DOX, but sometimes - regularly in fact - I feel that I am asking too much. 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Aside from the cluster F that was the Sydney game, we haven't been too far off the mark since the bye round:

Fremantle - good win against a side on a 4 game winning streak (although they were down to 2 men)

Brisbane - good first half. Lost our way in the second half. Who knows what would've happened if Hipwood didn't kick 5 goals in 5 minutes.

Carlton - That win stacks up now, as underwhelming as it was at the time, 40 odd points up at one stage with T Mac kicking 6 goals in 3 qtrs. 

W Bulldogs - An 8 point loss against a team that has caught fire since the break is a decent effort. One of the rare games Lever and May played together.

West Coast - Another more than competitive effort against the reigning premiers, as we were in front at 3 qtr time. This performance was better than some of our (rare) wins. Again, Lever and May played together.

St Kilda - Bitterly disappointing performance to lose against what I consider a poor side but we lead with 10 minutes left, before our skills and fitness fell off the cliff. May didn't play.

Richmond - A meritorious first half going into the sheds on even terms. Kept the margin somewhat respectable.

Collingwood - Bitterly disappointing middle 2 quarters however had a rare good last quarter. Inaccuracy cost us dearly in this one as we lost by only 17 points.

Sydney - A disgrace.

Hopefully next year, the Dogs, WC, St Kilda and Collingwood losses are turned into wins.

You know it's been a [censored] season when people put a positive spin on a 6 game losing streak. Fmd. We never looked like winning in any of those aside from the Carlton and Freo games, which were awful anyway. We were always going to lose the other matches. Open your eyes.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just had a look at the AFL ladder and were 17th, only above lowly Fold Coast. I was getting ready to book tickets for September, what the [censored] is going on? 

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, praha said:

You know it's been a [censored] season when people put a positive spin on a 6 game losing streak. Fmd. We never looked like winning in any of those aside from the Carlton and Freo games, which were awful anyway. We were always going to lose the other matches. Open your eyes.

Sad isn’t it...

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Social Media

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles

    SOCIAL DISTANCING by George on the Outer

    It was good to see the MFC players practicing the directives about social distancing at the game against West Coast.  Pity was that they continued to do so after the first bounce of the ball, as they allowed numerous WCE players run around un-hindered, with not a Melbourne player within 1.5 metres of them! They then found themselves looking at nearly a 5 goal deficit at the first break, which was to be essentially the final margin for the game. It is difficult to judge exactly what is going

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    BEST IN SHOW by Whispering Jack

    I am writing this knowing that the AFL has deemed that the opening round of competition will proceed but fully believing that it should not.  The world is going through cataclysmic change as a result of the overwhelming spread of the Covid-19 virus and I agree that a distraction like sport would be good for the public. However, while the physical threat to the population is bad enough, there are other  issues to be addressed including the mental health of the community and the effects on th

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    TASSIE DEVILS by Van Demon

    If you were looking for something new from the Demons that wasn’t there last year, you didn’t have to look further than the perfectly trimmed grass surface of UTAS Stadium last night as the team steamrolled the Hawks to record a comprehensive 32-point victory to complete their Marsh Community Series commitments for 2020. One new thing was the fact that for the second Marsh game in a row, the team finished full of running and they dominated the second half without the presence or the dominan

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    SOUTH OF THE BORDER by Paddy Gosch

    The Demons will go into their final Marsh Series match with a strong lineup against the Hawks in Tasmania. Both Max Gawn and Steven May, who were recovering from injuries in first Marsh Series match, have both been named. It is unclear whether Max will be on restricted minutes and will likely get breaks in the ruck with Sam Weideman and rookie Luke Jackson getting their turns in the middle. Angus Brayshaw will be getting his first taste of competitive football despite playing in last week’s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    KANGAROO CAUGHT by Whispering Jack

    There was a fair amount of debate in our area as to whether the game warranted a full blown match report because it was felt that it was really an elevated version of a training session with match simulation but against a team in opposition colours. Although notionally the stronger side, North seemed to be using the occasion for the purpose of working on aspects of their game plan, one of the features of which seemed to be based on taking the longest possible route out of defence and good luck w

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    JUST AN ABERRATION by Whispering Jack

    Melbourne unveiled its top recruits with new fitness boss Darren Burgess and mid-sized bull Christian Petracca sharing top billing in the team’s Marsh Community Series opener in front of 3,095 football starved fans at Casey Fields and thousands of others watching on screens of various shapes and sizes.  What they saw was a different Melbourne to the one that failed to run out its JLT Series games last year and then crashed in a heap early in the season proper with performances lacking the z

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 4

    CROWDOWN by Paddy Gosch

    The Demons open their 2020 season account with a "home" game against the Adelaide Crows at Casey Fields. It’s been more than 5 and half agonising months for the team and supporters who are eager to atone for the disappointing 2019 season which saw the Dees go from Preliminary Finalist to 2nd bottom on the ladder. The preseason campaign has been a hard slog with the addition of respected High Performance Manager Darren Burgess. We caught a glimpse of the gut busting sessions in the Melbourne

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    THE YEAR THE SKY FELL by The Oracle

    After a number of years of linear movement up the ladder, the Melbourne Football Club unexpectedly went into serious decline in 2019, slumping from fourth to 17th in a season that coach Simon Goodwin described “a complete wipe-out”. Those around the club who tried to analyse the apocalyptic events that unfolded during the year were hard pressed to find a single reason for the debacle but the most plausible explanation was that the club’s troubles stemmed from a lack of fitness and injuries that

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    BACK IN STYLE by Whispering Jack

    From the moment when the Elton John character in the movie “Rocketman” burst into its opening scene dressed as a flamboyant demon on his way to an addiction rehabilitation session, the game was on. Here was yet another film about a person gifted with a meteoric rise to stardom finding coke, booze and a hedonistic lifestyle that led directly to a destructive crash into the abyss. Ultimately, these stories end in total disaster (“A Star is Born”, “Bohemian Rhapsody”, “Judy”) but this one resulted

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    THE TRADING CHRONICLES 2019

    PART ONE - OVERTURE  I have a disclaimer at the outset. I’m not a fan of the races - be they horses or motors of any kind. Once the final siren sounds on the football season, I find the month or so that follows and corresponds roughly with the Spring Racing Carnival to be the most boring time of the year for sports fans. You turn on the radio and you’re confronted by the monotonous drone of a self-proclaimed racing expert or by the nasally twang of an ex-jockey banging on about the equine p

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 8

    CHANGES 2019 by The Oracle

    PART 1 - IT’S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THIS TIME This year’s free agency, trade and draft period will see the usual drama and upheaval as the AFL’s 18 clubs seek to better their lists in order to challenge for finals and possibly premiership honours. Long before the final siren sounded on the season just over a week ago, the maneuvering was under way with player agents and clubs discussing possible player movements and in some cases, deals had already been done.  Yesterday, the r

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 2

    HOW FAR SOUTH? by George on the Outer

    It was appropriate that Melbourne was playing its last game of season 2019 in Hobart.  After all, how much further south could the team go? And much as it has done in many of the previous 22 games, the side managed to extract a loss from a winning position by simply giving the ball back to the opposition time and time again. In fact, they gave it back to the opposition to the tune of 53 points from turnovers while, by way of contrast North Melbourne contributed  only 17 points to their oppo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

×
×
  • Create New...