Ben King

[WERRIDEE 5,198]

Don't trade pick 2 Anderson will be a gun

[Dwight Schrute 16,694]

from what i've seen in the draft Ben King is better than anyone outside of the top 2 if the GCS get a priority pick i think we should trade pick 2 for Ben King. if we could get 19 back in exchange for our 36 as well that would be a dream result. 

it's basically Noah Anderson at pick 2 

or King or HIll and Langdon for pick 3 

[grazman 6,412]

16 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

Am I in fantasy land or does that actually seem like a reasonable deal for all involved, in the event that Ben King definitely wants out?

There are  a number of unknown factors in all this such as whether we have to use a first round pick this year -I think based on the rules we do - I guess this isn't an unknown for the club or the AFL, but I'm still unsure.  Then there is what if any priority pick GC get and finally whether we think we a) need King or b) He is worth giving up pick 2/3 for.

I think high on GC drafting strategy this year is to try to keep top end talent tied to the club by drafting Rowell and Anderson together.  I think GC may have known it would be hard to keep King when they drafted him, but if he wanted to go home they'd be able to break even - a better risk than drafting a lesser player.  

If GC aren't given a pick at the pointy end then our hand is significantly strengthened if we are interested in getting King.  But what we are giving up is Anderson for King and we would still need another of GC later first round draft picks to come back - so expect a player/s (ANB/Stretch) or later/future picks to be involved.  

Edited August 13, 2019 by grazman

[binman 37,715]

Would be a remarkable scenario for gc to get 2nd draft pick as a priority and us trade our pick to them for king, giving them picks 1,2 and 3. 

If they don't think they have a chance to keep king they would trade him to us and take 1,2 and 3 surely. If they could manage (and that's a huge if) that could set them up for a decade. Assuming of course they get their club in order.

I don't know if that is what we would do though. We need a kpd but we need skilled runners who are elite kicks and decision makers even more.

Edited August 13, 2019 by binman

[whatwhat say what 18,741]

1 hour ago, binman said:

Would be a remarkable scenario for gc to get 2nd draft pick as a priority and us trade our pick to them for king, giving them picks 1,2 and 3. 

If they don't think they have a chance to keep king they would trade him to us and take 1,2 and 3 surely. If they could manage (and that's a huge if) that could set them up for a decade. Assuming of course they get their club in order.

I don't know if that is what we would do though. We need a kpd but we need skilled runners who are elite kicks and decision makers even more.

yet this is an incredibly feasible scenario

we get pick 2, we hold it; we get pick 3, it is heading somewhere else

i really hope we get back into the first round somehow

Edited August 13, 2019 by whatwhatsaywhat

[Demon3 2,541]

This is surely no chance of happening? if the Suns lose him after 1 year it would be a disaster for them, just the optics alone, a new low, that their big key Fwd is gone after 1 year..

What would we do with Weid? surely we cant carry King and Weid? 

King would be a great coup for us but it 'aint happening.

[binman 37,715]

2 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

This is surely no chance of happening? if the Suns lose him after 1 year it would be a disaster for them, just the optics alone, a new low, that their big key Fwd is gone after 1 year..

What would we do with Weid? surely we cant carry King and Weid? 

King would be a great coup for us but it 'aint happening.

Kings and coups don't mix

[Demons11 6,404]

On 8/13/2019 at 10:34 AM, TRIGON said:

GC want friendship and brother-ship.

So we trade T. Mac & O.Mac for their want-aways Ben King  & Jack Martin

Trade ANB & Billy Stretch for their early second round pick.

Is this how these fantasy-trading threads work?

ANB and Stretch would be worth pick 77

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,137]

2 hours ago, binman said:

Would be a remarkable scenario for gc to get 2nd draft pick as a priority and us trade our pick to them for king, giving them picks 1,2 and 3. 

If they don't think they have a chance to keep king they would trade him to us and take 1,2 and 3 surely. If they could manage (and that's a huge if) that could set them up for a decade. Assuming of course they get their club in order.

I don't know if that is what we would do though. We need a kpd but we need skilled runners who are elite kicks and decision makers even more.

GWS went into the 2012 draft with 1,2 and 3 after trading in picks 2 and 3 from Melbourne and GCS in exchange for their mini-draft selections.

Shows what an unbelievable advantage they were given as a start-up compared the GCS initial concessions.  The two mini-drafts were more than excessive.

They bombed the picks though with Whitfield (tick), O'Rourke and Plowman.

[olisik 4,060]

40 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

GWS went into the 2012 draft with 1,2 and 3 after trading in picks 2 and 3 from Melbourne and GCS in exchange for their mini-draft selections.

Shows what an unbelievable advantage they were given as a start-up compared the GCS initial concessions.  The two mini-drafts were more than excessive.

They bombed the picks though with Whitfield (tick), O'Rourke and Plowman.

But GCS has the nice beach...

[binman 37,715]

1 hour ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

GWS went into the 2012 draft with 1,2 and 3 after trading in picks 2 and 3 from Melbourne and GCS in exchange for their mini-draft selections.

Shows what an unbelievable advantage they were given as a start-up compared the GCS initial concessions.  The two mini-drafts were more than excessive.

They bombed the picks though with Whitfield (tick), O'Rourke and Plowman.

That's how we got Hogan is it not?

[binman 37,715]

3 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

yet this is an incredibly feasible scenario

we get pick 2, we hold it; we get pick 3, it is heading somewhere else

i really hope we get back into the first round somehow

The other thing is that it would appeal to the AFL i reckon, but given it would rely in the dees coming to the party might involve some shady deals.

No idea what they might be though.

Maybe something like the AFL, on the down low, tell GC that they only get pick two priority if they agree to give the dees King AND pick 7 (which i think they also have as result of previous deal?).  We get King and a top 10 pick to use on a player with kicking skills and outside run. Everybody's happy.

[buck_nekkid 5,457]

28 minutes ago, binman said:

The other thing is that it would appeal to the AFL i reckon, but given it would rely in the dees coming to the party might involve some shady deals.

No idea what they might be though.

Maybe something like the AFL, on the down low, tell GC that they only get pick two priority if they agree to give the dees King AND pick 7 (which i think they also have as result of previous deal?).  We get King and a top 10 pick to use on a player with kicking skills and outside run. Everybody's happy.

More like:  AFL decide to give GCS a priority pick, and ensure that King Goes to Hawthorn for 2 old chuppa chupps.

[Little Goffy 12,486]

Given the make-it-up-as-you-go... er... 'spontaneous excutive authority' model of AFL management, I wonder if we could drop some hints to Gil that we would be interested in trading pick 2 as part of a deal to get King, and that way GC still gets to do their '1-2 buddy draft' without needing a start-of-draft priority pick.

Ah, yes, similar lines to what binman just posted. IT all relies on shady deals that once upon a time would have been called draft tampering but which are now 'operations management'!

 

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

48 minutes ago, binman said:

The other thing is that it would appeal to the AFL i reckon, but given it would rely in the dees coming to the party might involve some shady deals.

No idea what they might be though.

Maybe something like the AFL, on the down low, tell GC that they only get pick two priority if they agree to give the dees King AND pick 7 (which i think they also have as result of previous deal?).  We get King and a top 10 pick to use on a player with kicking skills and outside run. Everybody's happy.

They've got Brissy's first, so a bit higher up this year than 7. But yeah, i could see the AFL being happier to give GC a mid or end of 1st round priority pick if they knew they were going to end up with the first 2 picks anyway. Even if Brissy drop back to 4th, which will give them around pick 16/17 (after academy picks) then it still rates King around pick 9/10, so I could see everyone being happy with us giving up pick 2 for King plus 16. And GC then getting pick 20 or so as the priority. 

Edited August 14, 2019 by Red and Blue realist

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,137]

1 hour ago, binman said:

That's how we got Hogan is it not?

Yup.

Pick 1: Jack Martin

Pick 2: Jesse Hogan

 

[Sorry kids 635]

My apologies if I missed it but is there any reason to think we are into King.

[Demon Disciple 10,882]

4 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

My apologies if I missed it but is there any reason to think we are into King.

Nope ?

[Demon3 2,541]

12 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

My apologies if I missed it but is there any reason to think we are into King.

No.

[TRIGON 4,710]

5 hours ago, Demons11 said:

ANB and Stretch would be worth pick 77

Look at it from the GCS perspective; at least they’ll stay! 

[whatwhat say what 18,741]

1 hour ago, TRIGON said:

Look at it from the GCS perspective; at least they’ll stay! 

this is why touk miller is one of their best players!

[grazman 6,412]

20 hours ago, Demons11 said:

ANB and Stretch would be worth pick 77

Players are only worth what other clubs are prepared to pay.  Player rankings though a far from perfect measure (too many variables), but one that can provide a rough guide on what players might be worth, can be helpful.  Obviously one of the key constraints here is that clubs are constrained by what draft picks they have to offer.  

Currently ANB is the 158th ranked player in the league  and 14th for position (that will actually go up at the end of the year with player retirements).  Stretch is the 533rd and 123rd for position.  

Similar players traded last year (rankings are based on rd 1 2019 rankings) were:

Gary Rohan 302/40 for pick 61, 

George Horlin-Smith 453/112 for pick 59,

Jackson Thurlow 444/110 for pick 70

Sam Lloyd 402/43 for pick 64

Dean Kent 487/81 for pick 65

Taylor Duryea 379/82 for future 4th round pick.

The ball-park measure for a joint trade was Jared Polec 90/48 and Jaspar Pittard 303/64  and 3rd round pick for pick 11 and future 4th round pick.  (North in a similar position to Gold Coast in that they needed experienced AFL players to fill a need and balance their list)

So  ANB  is probably worth a third round pick and Billy is probably worth a fifth round pick.  

If we were to trade our first pick along with ANB and Stretch (both have positive cultural attributes the Suns need in terms of training and preparation and as players looking to extend their AFL careers this maybe attractive to them as well) to Gold Coast for King we could reasonably expect another  late first round pick* to come back.

* depending on what happens with their bid for a priority pick, but also what happens with Jack Martin and Peter Street remembering they also have Brisbane's first pick for this year as well. 

Edited August 14, 2019 by grazman

[Kent 2,574]

22 hours ago, Demon3 said:

This is surely no chance of happening? if the Suns lose him after 1 year it would be a disaster for them, just the optics alone, a new low, that their big key Fwd is gone after 1 year..

What would we do with Weid? surely we cant carry King and Weid? 

King would be a great coup for us but it 'aint happening.

 

22 hours ago, Demon3 said:

This is surely no chance of happening? if the Suns lose him after 1 year it would be a disaster for them, just the optics alone, a new low, that their big key Fwd is gone after 1 year..

What would we do with Weid? surely we cant carry King and Weid? 

King would be a great coup for us but it 'aint happening.

Trade him to CW for first rounder pick 14

easy peasy

[Redleg 37,441]

On 8/13/2019 at 9:50 PM, WERRIDEE said:

Don't trade pick 2 Anderson will be a gun

How do we know GC won't take Anderson?

Rowell is a smaller Gus. 

[Pennant St Dee 11,237]

On 8/12/2019 at 11:32 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

Ben King was someone I rated extremely high last year. He's perfect prototype forward in the same vein as Tom Lynch. 

202cm tall who has played 12 games this year for 13 goals as an 18 year old.

Sam Weideman this year has played 11 games for 11 goals...

I know I was anti trade pick 2 or 3, but for this kid I would.

My thoughts exactly