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I could believe it. We have seen it all year. Dumb lazy footballers who look totally lost

It's a coaching and leadership issue full stop.

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Is it just me or was Garry Lyon slurring his words? Might've had a few frothies in the green room beforehand...

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2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Is it just me or was Garry Lyon slurring his words? Might've had a few frothies in the green room beforehand...

It's you.

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Can't understand what Garry says half the time. He has always been a mumbler.

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That footage is akin to what we saw in the first few rounds of Roos first year as coach. Just lazy, unaccountable, individual-first football: if there was no impact to their own stat line they wouldn't bother. At the time the likes of Frawley, Howe, Garland were the biggest culprits. Now it's Brayshaw, Oliver, Viney, our entire engine room.

If that rubbish is present at any point next year Goodwin can go out with the trash. It seems structural but there's also an effort component. 

What is concerning is that Goodwin has never once mentioned effort, or really spoken about skill level. Maybe here and there but there's no acknowledgement. It's diplomatic PR fluff when we hear him talk. That footage is damning and is an indictment on his coaching prowess or lack thereof. 

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It's funny.

Experts point this stuff out with vision to match.

Some of it has been trending for two years as they stated. 

Yet we still have the demonlander cushies talking about Garry slurring.

I guess it's all just wrist slashing hey crew?

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2 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

I could believe it. We have seen it all year. Dumb lazy footballers who look totally lost

It's a coaching and leadership issue full stop.

It's more of a player group and leadership group issue than anything else.

You can't coach effort that's player driven and within the player themselves 

Jack Watts, Ryan Houlihan, Damien Cupido, Ashley Sampi and numerous other players are proof of that.

Just like bottoming out in 2003 instead of 2004, we've done it this year instead of last, Sam Walsh would have been a beauty, the kid is a culture changer in the Selwood and Hodge mode

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Lyon and Roos are right on this one.

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Work ethic comes back 100% on the coaching team. if Goodwin can't motivate the players to behave like professional athletes then either the players go, or he does. 

we can't afford to waste another season.

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20 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

It's more of a player group and leadership group issue than anything else.

You can't coach effort that's player driven and within the player themselves 

Jack Watts, Ryan Houlihan, Damien Cupido, Ashley Sampi and numerous other players are proof of that.

Just like bottoming out in 2003 instead of 2004, we've done it this year instead of last, Sam Walsh would have been a beauty, the kid is a culture changer in the Selwood and Hodge mode

I think a good Coach can Coach effort out of players, but it is not easy. Teach players to Challenge themselves. 

I have seen it first hand in Motor Racing, but that is a clock based sport, so not so much team driven

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I always thought the idea of Roos’ succession plan was to pick someone who wouldn’t throw out everything he’d put in place within a couple of years of taking over.

Really makes his tenure seem pointless now.

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Yeah this is bad, but it starts with the awful awful kick I think it is from Hibberd, that instead of going to Gawn as he's running towards the boundary comes in board by about 20m for no reason. 

Then instead of getting extra numbers at the contest sweeping through to win the ball and take it away we end up with a bunch of guys stuck in in no mans land too close.

Midfield play is pretty much a series of dice rolls, knowing when you've got the ball and to take off forward. I don't blame Brayshaw for his initial movement, but to then not turn back is bad. And why at least one of the mids isn't with that collection of Pies mids (who by the way have been lazy and haven't run) is beyond me. The cherry on top is the half forwards aren't smart or quick enough to round up the mids and cover the corridor either.

Pretty much it's bad coaching and it's lazy midfield group, but it's also a team making dreadful skill errors and likely trying to mix up plans to generate ball movement and scoring as well. It's crap that it's gone on all season but it's not an easy one to fix now.

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21 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Honestly unless your career is on the line why would you be busting your gut? The season is done 

Because you have two more Senior AFL games to develop yourself and the team. Like the Brisbane Lions in the second half of last year. Anyone with any footy nous could see they were going to climb up the ladder this year with their attitude and hard work right to the end of the year.

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Thanks Garry Lyon for your constant non-constructive criticism of the MFC and your role in picking the worst coaches we’ve had this century. Thanks Gerard Healy for leaving us in the late 1980s just when we needed you to help win a premiership. Thanks Roosy for taking the big bucks, leaving when we still needed you and now just sniping at your successor. You all need to take a 360 degree look at yourselves!

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1 hour ago, Skin Deeamond said:

You all need to take a 360 degree look at yourselves!

Would that not be a 180 then SD?

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4 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Work ethic comes back 100% on the coaching team. if Goodwin can't motivate the players to behave like professional athletes then either the players go, or he does. 

Work ethic comes back 100% to the players. If the players can't behave like professional athletes, then they go.

 

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4 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Honestly unless your career is on the line why would you be busting your gut? The season is done 

Personal pride and the jumper I guess?

Oh, and to justify the ton of money you’re getting paid to be a pro sportsman. Maybe it’s about time match payments related to output?

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The team looks like they're 17th with nothing to play for, but that still a significant coaching error for me. The team has not been balanced for a long time now, so vision like that shouldn't surprise anyone.

Too many numbers at a contested ball, too many flying to spoil, nowhere to go on the outside, inside midfielders everywhere on the ground - it all stems from a maniacal obsession with winning the ball at all costs. The players are drawn like magnets to the ball because: a) That's who the majority are as players; and b) They have been instructed to win the ball at all costs. 

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6 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Yeah this is bad, but it starts with the awful awful kick I think it is from Hibberd, that instead of going to Gawn as he's running towards the boundary comes in board by about 20m for no reason. 

Then instead of getting extra numbers at the contest sweeping through to win the ball and take it away we end up with a bunch of guys stuck in in no mans land too close.

Midfield play is pretty much a series of dice rolls, knowing when you've got the ball and to take off forward. I don't blame Brayshaw for his initial movement, but to then not turn back is bad. And why at least one of the mids isn't with that collection of Pies mids (who by the way have been lazy and haven't run) is beyond me. The cherry on top is the half forwards aren't smart or quick enough to round up the mids and cover the corridor either.

Pretty much it's bad coaching and it's lazy midfield group, but it's also a team making dreadful skill errors and likely trying to mix up plans to generate ball movement and scoring as well. It's crap that it's gone on all season but it's not an easy one to fix now.

Great post. I agree that those poor disposals/ turnovers  are creating the look of us being way out of position and I agreed with  the rest of what you said too. 

I just don’t understand why our disposal, even under little pressure, has become so much worse this year. And suddenly we can’t kick for goal either. Nor do I understand why our capacity to cover the corridor and think through that kind of situation that was shown in the vision has disappeared. I really don’t get it. 

Yes we won 2 finals last year and made the prelim from 5th. But in truth we were even better than that. We lost 5 games by under a goal or in super tight finishes anyway. With a bit more luck, Win 2 or 3 of them and we would have  finished second. We were VERY capable of winning the whole thing last year. This year we don’t look capable of winning one frikn game. 

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6 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Honestly unless your career is on the line why would you be busting your gut? The season is done 

Pride in performance

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