WELCOME TO DEMONLAND - ADAM TOMLINSON

[Watts the matter 1,235]

10 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I have no view on him as have never seen him play.

I noticed that the discussion here is that he rucked last night.  AFL website doesn't credit Tomlinson with Hit Outs or Clearances.  So wondering how people rated his rucking last night.  Thanks.

He was not good as a ruckman, lost the hitouts then made no impact around the ground. He grabbed it out one occasion and then rushed the kick down the line striaght to the gws wall.

While he might have played in the ruck, you wouldn't want him in the team as a second ruckman.

 

[TGR 1,367]

As Roos said, another one-pacer.

[Diamond_Jim 11,679]

4 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

An article a few days ago reported Tomlinson was looking at 500k a season with us, struggling to locate that article though. Does 500k sound close to the mark if accurate?

Even at 500k that outs him in the top third percentile wise.

I just don't see value for a player that is merely useful in a well performing club.

Trust it's not a four year deal.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-22/player-payments-revealed-millionaires-on-the-up

[Wiseblood 24,636]

8 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Even at 500k that outs him in the top third percentile wise.

I just don't see value for a player that is merely useful in a well performing club.

Trust it's not a four year deal.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-22/player-payments-revealed-millionaires-on-the-up

I look at it like this:

If the top players, and more of them, are pushing into that million a year range, then paying Tomlinson half that indicates that he is half the player they are.  I think that's pretty much spot on to me.

[Binmans PA 25,894]

50 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I look at it like this:

If the top players, and more of them, are pushing into that million a year range, then paying Tomlinson half that indicates that he is half the player they are.  I think that's pretty much spot on to me.

Also, it's ridiculous having a whinge about contracts, because unless you've seen the contract and are across multiple player contracts competition-wide, you wouldn't have a clue what you're talking about.

[Crystal Dees 372]

2 hours ago, DemonOX said:

Don’t forget spirit that he has made up his mind to move already and was dump last week so his body may be on field but his head is not there. 

I know when I am leaving one job for another I check out basically straight away. 

The fresh start will probably do him the world of good even if it is at our club. 

So he possibly lacked motivation because he knows he's leaving?

It was a final!!!!  Isn't thst the ultimate motivation??

How did Dangerfield play knowing he was leaving Adelaide?

My lack of enthusiasm is based on watching him for a couple of seasons because his name has been raised before. Why replace our existing  plodders with another at twice the salary?

[buck_nekkid 5,458]

8 minutes ago, Crystal Dees said:

So he possibly lacked motivation because he knows he's leaving?

It was a final!!!!  Isn't thst the ultimate motivation??

How did Dangerfield play knowing he was leaving Adelaide?

My lack of enthusiasm is based on watching him for a couple of seasons because his name has been raised before. Why replace our existing  plodders with another at twice the salary?

Because it allows the peanut gallery here to be be twice as outraged?

[Diamond_Jim 11,679]

32 minutes ago, A F said:

Also, it's ridiculous having a whinge about contracts, because unless you've seen the contract and are across multiple player contracts competition-wide, you wouldn't have a clue what you're talking about.

It's not too hard to look at player salaries on a metadata basis. Plenty of published information these days.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-footys-six-million-dollar-men-for-2018-season-revealed-with-more-to-join-top-pay-bracket-this-year/news-story/1340f19b6f30485d9d3f3025463469f4

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-22/player-payments-revealed-millionaires-on-the-up

what is more difficult is getting a handle on the front and back loading aspects of contracts as they differ dramatically by reference to yearly demands on the salary cap.

You'd need to be a brave club for example to back load a four year contract on the basis that the new TV rights (due at the end of 2022) will deliver say a 20% increase in the salary cap but I am sure some will be doing it.

[Binmans PA 25,894]

51 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

It's not too hard to look at player salaries on a metadata basis. Plenty of published information these days.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-footys-six-million-dollar-men-for-2018-season-revealed-with-more-to-join-top-pay-bracket-this-year/news-story/1340f19b6f30485d9d3f3025463469f4

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-22/player-payments-revealed-millionaires-on-the-up

what is more difficult is getting a handle on the front and back loading aspects of contracts as they differ dramatically by reference to yearly demands on the salary cap.

You'd need to be a brave club for example to back load a four year contract on the basis that the new TV rights (due at the end of 2022) will deliver say a 20% increase in the salary cap but I am sure some will be doing it.

Without knowing the strategy behind all the decision making though, it's near pointless speculating.

I know it's a forum and that's 99% of what a forum is about, but there are greater things to worry about than contracts that we have no real inside information on.

[Left Field 313]

Stays on the park (80 out of the last 82). Ended up playing wing at the Giants after having a go at cementing 4 or 5 other spots. Probably a 15-22 player there and maybe the same with us. I'm cooling on him from a cap perspective (unless he is cheap or free - pay wise).

 

Edited September 15, 2019 by Left Field

[Wiseblood 24,636]

17 minutes ago, A F said:

Without knowing the strategy behind all the decision making though, it's near pointless speculating.

I know it's a forum and that's 99% of what a forum is about, but there are greater things to worry about than contracts that we have no real inside information on.

Especially when we've been very good at how we manage the cap over the last 4-5 years.  

Tomlinson on 500k is about right to me.

[Binmans PA 25,894]

44 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Especially when we've been very good at how we manage the cap over the last 4-5 years.  

Tomlinson on 500k is about right to me.

I guess so. I wouldn't know. All I know is that we've allegedly had money in the cap to chase a 'big fish' the last two or so years, so that would make me agree with you on "we've been very good at how we manage the cap".

[Diamond_Jim 11,679]

7 minutes ago, A F said:

I guess so. I wouldn't know. All I know is that we've allegedly had money in the cap to chase a 'big fish' the last two or so years, so that would make me agree with you on "we've been very good at how we manage the cap".

Do you understand the math... the highest paid players are in the 26 to 28 year old bracket.

We don't have any high performers in that bracket other than Gawn so of course we are managing our cap well.

If Oliver, Brayshaw and Petracca go A grade and hit 25 plus say Salem at A-  tell me how good we are then.

Anyway the fact remains that at 500k and above he is in the top one third salary wise of the league. Does he deserve that.

If you just want to say the "club know best" all the time why do you bother commenting.

[Binmans PA 25,894]

5 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Do you understand the math... the highest paid players are in the 26 to 28 year old bracket.

We don't have any high performers in that bracket other than Gawn so of course we are managing our cap well.

If Oliver, Brayshaw and Petracca go A grade and hit 25 plus say Salem at A-  tell me how good we are then.

Anyway the fact remains that at 500k and above he is in the top one third salary wise of the league. Does he deserve that.

If you just want to say the "club know best" all the time why do you bother commenting.

I haven't said anywhere that the club knows best. But I have said that sometimes you have to overpay to get what you want. We need wingers. Tomlinson will be better than any current wingers we have and more durable. It's a no brainer.

[DemonOX 8,529]

4 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Yes, except he's not leaving a job, just changing office, as it were

Yeah that’s what I meant. Bundy rum seems to affect my typing?

[DemonOX 8,529]

2 hours ago, Crystal Dees said:

So he possibly lacked motivation because he knows he's leaving?

It was a final!!!!  Isn't thst the ultimate motivation??

How did Dangerfield play knowing he was leaving Adelaide?

My lack of enthusiasm is based on watching him for a couple of seasons because his name has been raised before. Why replace our existing  plodders with another at twice the salary?

Affects different players/people differently crystal. We will never really know. He will be in our best 22 imo which is a good thing. 

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,104]

If that was an audition to be signed by the MFC, he failed dismally.

1) Just 7 possessions and 2 marks

2) Had a direct goal involvement.... for the opposition.

3) played aimlessly as a 5th forward, then wing, then slaughtered in the ruck to relieve a cooked Mumford.

[DemonOX 8,529]

3 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If that was an audition to be signed by the MFC, he failed dismally.

1) Just 7 possessions and 2 marks

2) Had a direct goal involvement.... for the opposition.

3) played aimlessly as a 5th forward, then wing, then slaughtered in the ruck to relieve a cooked Mumford.

Don’t worry goody won’t review the game ?

[Demon Disciple 10,902]

14 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

 then slaughtered in the ruck to relieve a cooked Mumford.

Sorry, but Mumford was woeful in the ruck as well. the only thing he was good for was giving away free kicks. Was given a bath by big Stef.

[goodwindees 2,117]

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Do you understand the math... the highest paid players are in the 26 to 28 year old bracket.

We don't have any high performers in that bracket other than Gawn so of course we are managing our cap well.

If Oliver, Brayshaw and Petracca go A grade and hit 25 plus say Salem at A-  tell me how good we are then.

Anyway the fact remains that at 500k and above he is in the top one third salary wise of the league. Does he deserve that.

If you just want to say the "club know best" all the time why do you bother commenting.

Great post Jim.  We are one of the worst 2/3 performing Clubs over the last 5 years.  We’ve also traded one of our very best players recently. I can’t believe we haven’t been right up to our necks in bids for Kelly, Martin, De Goey, Coniglio etc as have the Kangas.  Kangas have outperformed us for 9 out of last 10 years but they have had a war chest which we clearly haven’t because we must grossly overpay our players. 

[Binmans PA 25,894]

5 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

Great post Jim.  We are one of the worst 2/3 performing Clubs over the last 5 years.  We’ve also traded one of our very best players recently. I can’t believe we haven’t been right up to our necks in bids for Kelly, Martin, De Goey, Coniglio etc as have the Kangas.  Kangas have outperformed us for 9 out of last 10 years but they have had a war chest which we clearly haven’t because we must grossly overpay our players. 

North also haven't landed anyone. We've landed Lever and then May in successive off seasons. The very best players on the market both off seasons.

By all means have a whinge, but your post above is a strawman argument.

Edited September 15, 2019 by A F

[goodwindees 2,117]

Rubbish. Kangas shot for the stars and they missed going for the absolute best in the industry. My point was, despite massively outperforming MFC for the last 10 years, they had the Salary Cap to have a real crack at Kelly, De Goey & Martin.  MFC couldn’t.

FCS, don’t crow about recruiting a 3rd tall defender that had knee reconstruction history on enormous money and over paid with draft picks. Plus a fat, unfit May who we once again were the ONLY club in the picture because we had the very low Pick 6 and we were willing to pay him Hogan’s money which was far more than anyone else was willing to do. 

Bottom line Kangas have recruited Higgins, Polec, Pittard over recent years, all players with pace and dash that walk into the Dees. 

[Moonshadow 16,109]

2 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

Rubbish. Kangas shot for the stars and they missed going for the absolute best in the industry. My point was, despite massively outperforming MFC for the last 10 years, they had the Salary Cap to have a real crack at Kelly, De Goey & Martin.  MFC couldn’t.

FCS, don’t crow about recruiting a 3rd tall defender that had knee reconstruction history on enormous money and over paid with draft picks. Plus a fat, unfit May who we once again were the ONLY club in the picture because we had the very low Pick 6 and we were willing to pay him Hogan’s money which was far more than anyone else was willing to do. 

Bottom line Kangas have recruited Higgins, Polec, Pittard over recent years, all players with pace and dash that walk into the Dees. 

You don't think the Kangas would like May or Lever? Too bloody right they would

[goodwindees 2,117]

They might, however, on balance they have already a better one in Tarrant. Great player, great bloke, great clubman.  Plays every week, no fuss.

My point is that I used the Kangas to demonstrate a club that has really managed their TPP far better than what I believe the Dees have.  

They’ve owned us for 10 years but have had a real crack at the superstars of our game and came within a bees [censored] of landing Dustin Martin. 

[Binmans PA 25,894]

Haha. Who says we haven't had a go at those players? We just keep it in house when we go after players, until we're relatively sure we'll get them or they're over the line already.