POSTMATCH: Rd 20 vs Richmond

[monoccular 16,041]

30 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Dont know how Max gets the motivation to play with these blokes.

Their lucky they cant look him in the eye.

I would very much doubt if many could without standing on a box, or in the case of Spargo, on a ladder. 

[spirit of norm smith 12,884]

13 minutes ago, bandicoot said:

Goodwin has no bloody idea. How he got us to a prelim finals seems staggering. 

He hasn’t changed his tactics from last year and all the other clubs have worked us out.

No plan B or C and has us stuck in concrete boots. The ‘play on’/hand-pass at all cost game plan is flawed and invariably leads to a turn over. Players have also lost faith in it. 

Hawks won 3 premierships is a row (a feat that might not be repeated this century) possessing the ball by foot. 

Learn something from that football  and adapt it slightly to suit our side. 

Whatever style game you have us playing now, Goodwin, is [censored]...

Agree. Ditto. Ffs get a plan Goody. 

[pitmaster 3,059]

30 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

I’d love to ask Glenn Bartlett what his criteria for an external revue 

Some song and dance, unless you mean a review.

[640MD 2,777]

2 minutes ago, Farmer said:

And at half time we trailed by 3 points

Gave up after half time they had “done enough “

they need to try harder , richmond better  in the wet is no excuse. If you are that close at half time   Ability isnot  the question, desire is or game  plan is,

mentally weak and behind the opposition 

and I am an idiot for  caring

[3Dee 1,153]

So many fringe players making up numbers here, Melksham was hardly there. Taking that into consideration we were competitive enough, yeah it sucks but these are all junk games, who cares? The players don't. Need the reset and a healthy list for 2020.

#2 pick looks real good rn. 

Edited August 3, 2019 by 3Dee

[640MD 2,777]

5 minutes ago, Die Hard Demon said:

As long as they had a crack, enjoyed themselves & made some new friends out there! good on them 

And got their money for tonight’s game

[leave it to deever 15,302]

14 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Preuss is a dud. The big lumox couldn’t even stick a tackle - one of their smalls broke free of him far too easily. He can’t play with Max pure and simple.

Was his biggest supporter arguing for him to be selected. Sorry.

[Sir Why You Little 34,430]

It’s Fantastic that The Ashes are on live for the next 6 weeks

this Footy season is just too awful

[640MD 2,777]

I guess we all see what we want to see

[Demon Jack 6,276]

Although Fritsch was serviceable in defense, I get the feeling he could've had a seriously special year had he been playing in the forward line for the full season. 

He's very much capable of booting 45+ goals over a year. Hopefully his last month is a taste of what's to come in 2020.

[DSP 1,488]

10 minutes ago, Farmer said:

The players don't give a stuff? Really? You saw it tonight and thought that? I can't believe it. They were outclassed. Close to the weakest team on paper that I can ever remember.  Guys like Baker and Kennedy Harris ( who didn't play well) nevertheless gave it a red hot go. Fritsch played well, Petty showed a lot, even Wagner had his moments. And at half time we trailed by 3 points. Cameron Ling's comments about Richmind in the wet are dead right, we weren't up to it but no-one wasn't trying

Brilliant Post.

Go back and watch the last 30-40 mins of the last 10 or so games. Its 4 quarters of footy. Not 2.5 or 3.

The same story, week in and week out.

But as long as they tried, thats all that matters right?

 

[olisik 4,060]

Petracca missing in 4th as usual.

Baker, Preuss, Melksham, Hibberd, Lewis, Viney, Jones combining for a massive 0 tackles between them for the match. Pathetic, especially in wet weather.

[WERRIDEE 5,206]

Great game from Gawny Fritsch and Petty show promise the rest are duds. We are 17th for a reason and that's the reason. I don't know where to go from here and now I'm even doubting Goodwin. It's a sorry tale

[doc roet 1,199]

14 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Preuss is a dud. The big lumox couldn’t even stick a tackle - one of their smalls broke free of him far too easily. He can’t play with Max pure and simple.

Agree, saw the tackle your talking about.

Ended up spun around and on the ground like he's just tried to stop a steam train. Can't hold a mark either.

Got the size but no skills whatsoever.

 

 

[Jaded No More 57,758]

Physically we are stuffed. Richmond players were strolling to the bench all game. At the 19 minute mark of the first quarter our players were barely breathing on the sidelines. We cannot kick, run, chase or tackle and we also can’t compete aerobically now. Basically we are lame ducks. 

[WERRIDEE 5,206]

Just now, doc roet said:

Agree, saw the tackle your talking about.

Ended up spun around and on the ground like he's just tried to stop a steam train. Can't hold a mark either.

Got the size but no skills whatsoever.

 

 

Preuss is the reason we are useless disgusting decision to pick him up when we have Gawn. Poor move all round.

[leave it to deever 15,302]

3 minutes ago, DSP said:

Brilliant Post.

Go back and watch the last 30-40 mins of the last 10 or so games. Its 4 quarters of footy. Not 2.5 or 3.

The same story, week in and week out.

But as long as they tried, thats all that matters right?

 

Plus the fact that only 5 players carry the load for those first 3 qrts.

[leave it to deever 15,302]

Can we please see more bouncers for the English tail?

[640MD 2,777]

After half time all I saw was Melb second to the ball or behind their opponents ,  coasting to a result that was not dreadful but had no desire to change the result, we had no one to grab the game by the neck and change the direction. Our leaders if they are the best we have, are part of the reason this year has gone this way.

we need radical change and very hard decisions!

[Vineytime 783]

Goodwin press conferences, “we want to be a team that wins” please, give the supporters something, absolutely lame lame responses after every loss, the same dribble over & over. 

[Demon Dynasty 15,353]

Footy's a bloody tough game.  Unfortunately as a club we make it look even tougher, outside of about one half of competitive effort and results or, doing really well, we might do it for three quarters.

Too easy to beat.  I couldn't be bothered going in to the mess that is the MFC for almost a quarter or two of pretty much every match this season, even against the worst opposition.  Amateur is about the best way of describing it.  Certainly not AFL worthy over four quarters.

The first half we actually appeared to be on track for a close contest and, all round, it was certainly a solid effort with some better ball movement, skills, some decent switching, a reasonable team grid/zone defense happening and some hard work to maintain structures around the ball (yes even on the outside!).   But i clearly forgot about our ability to maintain this is usually poor and should have realised that as our conditioning, strength, general skills and ability to run both ways dropped away severely, the Tigers would maintain theirs, and the rest is as they say, history repeating.  General skills, footy smarts in the wet, intensity and ability to move the ball and maintain possession Shizen in the second half!

Thought i saw a substantial change up towards a bit more of a possession / patience tempo game at stages in the first half though.  So Goody might already be changing things up a little on the training track.  Has someone been having some hard words with the coach outside of the FD?  Who knows.  Pure speculation.  But he's clearly expressed (as have the players in their pressers) a reluctance to change much of anything.

One of the best passages was the play that(for me) demonstrated what i thought was an example of this change up, was off HB all the way up the field with some precision and deliberation.  Finished with Dunkley converting after marking a short ball from Jones (?) on the lead (i think it was Dunkley).  A great example of general skills and decision making working beautifully, WITHOUT the insanity of the usual "play on at every opportunity and hand ball / kick wherever without truly assessing first / numbers numbers attacking the resulting spilled or loose ball" chaos rubbish.

Unfortunately we seemed to go into our shells (or the Tiges put us there) in the second half and normal chaos footy began to dominate our decision making once more.  I guess it's hard to maintain a change up to method / style after playing with nothing except "numbers at the ball/chaos play on footy" for most of the season.  Old habits die hard but unfortunately our very ordinary skill levels reappeared once more.

We should see some improvement next year with a decent pre-season and minimal injuries (obviously it wouldn't take much to do so given this year's horribilis) but only time will tell if it is just a dead cat bounce ....or something more. 

Will Goody finally bite the bullet and realise that major changes/additions are needed to game style and same with the list?  He and the FD must be thinking the same re the list surely.

As with all things MFC, hoping for the best...preparing for the worst in 2020.

Edited August 3, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[Jaded No More 57,758]

Just now, Vineytime said:

Goodwin press conferences, “we want to be a team that wins” please, give the supporters something, absolutely lame lame responses after every loss, the same dribble over & over. 

We want to support a team that wins. But here we all are, failing to achieve our life goals. 

[buck_nekkid 5,464]

Some observations:

People want to pot Jones, but the number of times team mates handballed to his BOOTS in the first half did my head in.

We dont know when to go fast, or go slow.  We seem to use gear changes at exactly the wrong time.

We have major issues with decision making and execution.  

Our tackling is pathetic.  They change direction and it is like keystone cops.  We have limited speed on the park.

Our ability to win contests within 30 m of the goal line forward or back is almost zero. In our back half, we give up scores.  In our front half, they just waltz out.

Preuss was an absolute liability.  Gave away stupid frees in the ruck, cant mark, cant pick the ball up.  A liability out there.

Oscar Mac was terrible.  Really really terrible.

WTF was that throw in that their ruck kicked for a goal?  Half distance, and Preuss trialled the contest by 3m.

We have some talent that can build.  Petty, Baker, Dunkley all did good things at times,  In a great team, they would look awesome.

Max rules.  Simple.

The end to this year cannot come quick enough.  We were in it until half time, and then let ourselves down.

(special mention to the atrocious umpiring, not that it would have really changed much.)

[dazzledavey36 48,694]

Didn't watch the game.. how was JKH

[Jaded No More 57,758]

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

Didn't watch the game.. how was JKH

Was brave and got better the wetter the day got. Sadly doesn’t impact the contest enough and doesn’t get the ball enough. Tried really hard but he’s just another average inside mid. Fine to keep as filler but he will never make it.